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« on: July 09, 2015, 03:03:04 AM »
I suppose this is progress, ESPN Body Issue.
While the images are striking, does this advance the notion that nudity can be ok but only if you are "body beautiful".

I'll admit they are a group of beautiful people.

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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2015, 07:50:12 AM »
It is sports,   and the interest is in the players of the games.   There would be zero interest in some ordinary unknown people with not so well developed bodies.    So I think no such thing intended.    However some people who look up to those kind of people might be ashamed of their own lack of physical development and feel like hiding it.  So it could have unintended effect in that way.    But that's a poor response, based in personal insecurity.    If a child grows up being told they're no good, worthless,   they'll have a hard time getting past inferiority feelings the rest of their life.

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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2015, 03:51:32 PM »
I see body acceptance by ESPN and other major media as a sign that nudity is more tolerated by the general culture.  Its a small sign, but a positive sign of general body acceptance. 

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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2015, 04:41:06 PM »

I see body acceptance by ESPN and other major media as a sign that nudity is more tolerated by the general culture.  Its a small sign, but a positive sign of general body acceptance. 

Bob
I think if there were a true opinion poll take I'm sure the majority of people would have no problem with simple nudity. The hysteria fueled by the "think of the children", pastors who inflame their church members and the old silent majority (actually a minority) are the ones who make it difficult. Then there are the ones who say all naked bodies should not be seen (think Prince Fielder in an earlier issue) who I'm sure will try to body shame some of the people in this issue. Which brings us to RubenT's point; if those who are in shape get slammed what are those of us who are normal going to face? I went through the insecure phase with my first wife and it is a difficult thing to get past those feelings.
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2015, 07:43:27 PM »
I suppose this is progress, ESPN Body Issue.
While the images are striking, does this advance the notion that nudity can be ok but only if you are "body beautiful".
Duane

I figure that these photos do help promote the nude as natural, healthy and good attitudes in our culture. It is probably good for kids to see this in athletes that they look up to and aspire to achieve ability at a par with. They are not nude pictures per say, they show no genitals. They are only demonstrations of body form and potentials. The pics still conform with the prevailing cover those genitals and nipples media and legal standards; a few years back, they would be in brief swim attire. It may be helpful to the progression of these standards toward a sane full nudity standard.

I don’t know if those laughing football players that need helmets to protect their genitals would fit the commercial beauty standard. The woman large enough to toss around that weigh doesn’t fit the model’s criteria and that’s a step in the right direction. They don’t look shy, ashamed or even seem to notice their nudity and that’s very good to see and teach. There are enough of them that there is diversity and that is good to teach. Butts are okay to see now? That IS cool!

What it promotes to people will be individual depending on their background and perceptions. For many it may promote the idea that nude body healthy is admirable. It may promote the association that nude and confidence go together. You are not confident unless you can be confident nude? Peta personalities, athletes, movie people and rock stars are doing it and being cool, and culture usually changes, being led by these popular culture heroes, in some manner.

Larger, butts are now in fashion. Full figured women are showing off what they once were ashamed of. I think that these photos work in context with the greater assault on us of the wide world of popular media and this is therefore a step in the right direction, that is body acceptance and body freedom. We, especially the young, will not only see this one depiction of nudity.


I'll admit they are a group of beautiful people.
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Those are young, healthy, athletic people. We are ALL beautiful people with fascinating bodies. There is a tendency in all cultures to find attraction to youth and health; it may be innate in the young. People get personally fixated on certain body parts and body types, redheads, blondes, T or A, legs, full figure, etc. There is one commonality research has shown and that is a ratio in a woman’s figure and a square look to a man.
 
The person, the whole package is beautiful. People see beautiful and attraction amplified by love and other abilities, for example. Some people are fixated by people in clothing, OMG! Me, I’m more fixated on a physical attraction of natural and healthy, like real hair, full tan, no makeup, nude. The person and how I feel with them contributes to their beauty. I focus on the positives and others blossom and become more beautiful, both in my perception and they react to that. If I focus on negatives they wither.

These people’s bodies are simply fascinating and adapted to the specific things that they do, like everyone else.
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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2015, 07:46:13 PM »
Yeah, I agree Jbee.

Quote from: Bob
I see body acceptance by ESPN and other major media as a sign that nudity is more tolerated by the general culture.  Its a small sign, but a positive sign of general body acceptance.

People have worked and trained to reach that level of performance and the results show in their body structure. What some in the image business refer to as “minor” imperfections, I see wonderful variety. Natural markings, shapes, hair, eye colors or any differences that represent how people even within a family can look different. 

These people look like they do because of what they have chosen to pursue. It is just more variety. That was my initial response looking at the pictures. The preoccupation of those fixated on the prevailing definition of beauty is the source of more than body shame. There is a deeper effect, as Reuben observed, on the individual's self esteem.

I hope this article has the right effect and will make others look beyond the perceived perfection to the real perfection embodied in all of us.

Yeah it’s a small step in the right direction.

Duane

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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2015, 11:47:24 PM »
I fear it'll be a step in the wrong direction - the reaction is just as likely to be that "it's all right for them to get their kit off, they've got the body for it, mine must be kept covered because it isn't perfect like that".

The body fascists and fashion police have had their way too long

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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2015, 11:52:04 PM »
Although many in conservative Christianity would call any open nakedness as objectionably inappropriate,  lewd behavior.
  In spite of my mother's relaxed attitude toward child nudity,  she was of that opinion,  and it affected my thought process as well.   And that included nude garden statues.   I had an automatic lust response and that made me think the person or statue was in error for being without cover.  However I discovered the error was in my own mind,  it needed the education and reprogramming.    I've had a big change of heart in that area.   I now see naked people in non sexual settings as God's beautiful creation instead of something inappropriate.  Even in a sexual setting it may be OK as long as the thoughts aren't allowed to go lusting after something forbidden by God's law.  But all of porn is just that, designed to create lust.    The small area of a man and his wife doing what God told them to do in the beginning,  (be fruitful and multiply)   is not wrong to do or be seen by others.   Only one little area of consideration may apply, and that is the child's imitation drive.  So I think it should be done away from a child's sight so they don't go innocently imitating momma and dad and get going on such things way too early in life.   It's enough for them to see the animals doing it openly.
  It is good to see the athletes doing their thing naturally naked.   Be nice if the competitions were all that way. We'd all get used to it pretty fast and it'd be no big deal.

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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2015, 03:43:16 AM »
Speaking of garden statues, it occurred to me last night, "What if I put a Greek statue of a nude like a genital Discobolus where my pesky neighbors were spying on us and objecting. I could paint it flesh, more life-like." I have better use of money, now and I suppose that it would help to not antagonize them, but oh what fun.
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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2015, 06:12:52 AM »
Or one of those naked, gender neutral, bug eyed aliens from Area 51.

Painted blue!

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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2015, 08:20:42 PM »
I have a friend who does hundreds of masks from molds of people's faces. It would be fun to add my face to a nude statue, or a life-size me naked for them to watch outside of their kitchen window view. ;D...Now where is the little face with the devil horns?
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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2015, 01:15:05 AM »
I think the blatant showing off of the body beautiful is a really nice indication that nude is ok.  Overtly its a way to show off people in the peak of perfection and, whilst in a way I agree with Peter that some people will be put off liking their own bodies because of the adverse comparison with perfection, I really don't like to think that should put us off rejoicing and celebrating the attractive physical prowess of athletes.  Yes, on balance I think the annual body issue of that mag does notch forward the general emancipation of nakedness, particularly since it does so in a very non-titillating way.  It is a parade of desirable, attractive people but the nature of the photography celebrates the physical culture side.  I have to admit that I found the lady hammer thrower a particularly positive advert for culturing the physique.  She is 15 stone!  Yet she's probably not got an ounce of stray fat.  An unconventional shape for beauty but achieving beauty in an outstanding way.

I'm not a great fan of tatoos.  I don't understand why anyone wants to adopt a particular image for their entire life.  In these cases the tattoos to my eye detract from the direction, beauty and line of the already beautiful musculature of these athletes.

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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2015, 05:44:30 AM »
yah,  I don't like em either.   temporary paint jobs are ok,  they wash off.   permanent  pictures detract from the beauty of the form. 

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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2015, 04:21:04 PM »
I don't understand the tattoo thing either.

It's a permanent step. Even if you decide to have it removed, the removal leaves scarring of one degree or another.

I suppose I could understand covering a scar from an accident.

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« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2015, 06:12:25 PM »
I have a friend who was left with a scar right down the middle of his chest following open heart surgery a number of years ago. After waiting for several years for the scar to fade he gave up and had a picture of a large zip fastener tattooed in to hide the scar. it still make me chuckle when I see it.

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