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When you least expect it!
« on: July 10, 2015, 09:37:47 PM »
I was reading something else and saw this headline posted.
Caught with your pants (UK def.) missing Skinnydippers are caught.

Odd and of course funny, unless it happens to you.  :D
At least skinnydipping is alive and well in the UK.

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Re: When you least expect it!
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2015, 07:40:19 AM »
Underwear is completely unneeded anyway.   No loss.  Maybe they learned something. 
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Re: When you least expect it!
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2015, 10:28:48 AM »
My biggest fear was having my clothes blown away on a freezing mountain top in high winds. I always made sure to stuff them inside a rucksack first.

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Re: When you least expect it!
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2015, 07:30:59 PM »
I've cached my clothes and made sure they were under a large rock. I was mostly concerned that they might be snitched in a prank, although I am usually in a remote area.

It wouldn't have occurred to me to worry about fowl play.

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Re: When you least expect it!
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2015, 08:57:59 PM »
Javelina, coyotes,  and large birds are a concern here. In the mountains there are more raccoons and bears can ravage a pile of clothes like they can a campsite. I have put things in a backpack and hung it from a tree branch, or buckled it to a large shrub securely. Best to not leave the clothes with the food.

While hiking up in the Tortolitas, (I live at their base) my old girlfriend once pulled off her sundress and just threw it in the air, not even looking back. It was just lying in the jeep trail. I mentioned this to her a few hundred yards down the road and she just didn't care. The odds were with her, she thought, but even more, she chose not to worry. The prospect of having an excuse to walk home naked was exciting to her. She looked upon it as an excuse, if that happened and liked the idea, as she was enjoying her freedom and reverie. Her plan was to stroll back through the neighborhood nude and if she bumped into anyone, just explain that her clothes had been stolen by animals.

I usually have left my clothing in my truck, when going out without a net.
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Re: When you least expect it!
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2015, 09:38:19 AM »
Perhaps that's why Scotsmen wear nowt under their kilts - so the kites don't get them when they skinny dip. Bird can become very aggressive. Whislt in Syndney the gull were swooping down and stealing the food off peoples plates whilst they were having their meal.

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Re: When you least expect it!
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2015, 02:44:12 PM »
The gulls stealing from plates has happened to us on the café terrace of Swansea Sainsburys.
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Re: When you least expect it!
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2015, 09:57:58 PM »
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Her plan was to stroll back through the neighborhood nude and if she bumped into anyone, just explain that her clothes had been stolen by animals.

Several years ago, I posted a trip report on "Ye Olde Site", relating how I lost my shorts on a hike. For about 20-30 minutes, while I worriedly looked for them, I had no clue where they were. I eventually found them by back tracking my route.  Anticipating not finding them I had already started mentally planning how I was going to get back to my car, drive home (less difficult)and into my house all unseen. I live in a regular developed neighborhood with little in the way of screening plants.

The place I was hiking is a very popular spot for visitors and locals. It can get very crowded. Fortunately I am familiar with the area and the best places to hike without being visible. The day that it happened it was busy, but not crowded. To hike naked there you had to get into the back of the area where few people take the trouble to hike. That is where the shorts went AWOL. As long as I was in the backcountry I was ok, but I would eventually have to come out.

Most of the distance back to the car was shielded from view of casual hikers and the passing traffic. But once I reached the vicintity of the parking area, I would have been visible to the roadway for about a 1/4 mile and then visible from the parking area also about 1/4 mile. I don't do 1/2 mile sprints. A half mile casual walk, while naked, back to my car would have definately had me on edge. This park is very popular with tourists and families. In a remote area even if there had been a crowd of others, I would have been less concerned.

There were a couple other incidents at this park that finally convinced me to stop my naked hikes there. In my case, too crowded, too risky. But that day for a short period, until I found my shorts, I had psyched myself up to make the attempt and had resolved that there was a high probability of me getting into trouble with somebody.

Luckily, I found the shorts.

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Re: When you least expect it!
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2015, 02:52:30 AM »
Bird can become very aggressive. Whislt in Syndney the gull were swooping down and stealing the food off peoples plates whilst they were having their meal.
Davie  8)

When my kids were  young we sometimes took the family to a picnic along the Columbia River in Richland, WA, USA.   There were flocks of gulls that were also very aggressive.  The would even come in and take a hot dog off the grill.  Not even the heat would deter them. 

But then one time we brought our dog.  The gulls would give the dog clearance of about 20 yards.   My supposition is that gulls are a "protected" species claimed to be "endangered" in the US.  That is total rubbish like most of their "ecology" nonsense, but its been many years since a gull got attacked or injured by a human in the US.  Its like a $10,000 fine and up to 10 years in prison for killing one of the nasty creatures, or even picking up a lost feather off the ground.   So after several generations they have no fear of humans.  None of their relatives ever was hurt by a human in several lifetimes.   And of course some humans are so stupid they feed the dirty birds. 

But dogs are a different matter.  Dogs don't know about "protected" species.  Dogs will just bite them if they get too close.  So having a dog at our picnic kept the gulls far enough away to eat in peace.  Its probably similar in the UK or AU.

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Re: When you least expect it!
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2015, 06:50:15 PM »
I understand why the "Clean Air Act", the "Clean Water Act" and the "Endangered Species List" all exist. I don't have a problem with them in theory. I do have a problem when self appointed enforcers begin using them as a club to beat perceived offenders into submission. I sometimes wonder if the people in those groups honestly believe that all of us should live in cities and abandon the lands outside of urban areas to be returned to the wild.

I looked at the Endangered Species List and couldn't find seagulls listed. Maybe I was in the wrong place. It would surprise me if they were on the list. I live 230 miles from the nearest coast in the middle of a desert. We have gulls here. They live out at Lake Mead and populate water features on golf courses and small lakes. They aren't scarce around here. They shouldn't be on that list.

Which brings me to this small piece of bureaucratic insanity. Utah Prairie dogs are on the list. Go figure. In southern Utah, land owners could not use their property how they chose if these rodents had infested it. Baseball diamonds were abandoned and golf courses were having issues. I have my own separate rant about golf courses in the desert, but if it's private property, you should be allowed to develop it how you please without having to consult me about it.

A man in Cedar City, Utah took the government to court over this and won. Because they weren't allowed to try and control them the pests were taking over everywhere. Residents were worried that if they invaded their yards, there would be all sorts of problems with getting rid of them. Most landowners with prairie dogs on their property weren't even allowed to "relocate" them. They weren't advocating extermination, not that they probably wanted to, but to simply relocate them. It wasn't allowed.

So this guy had enough and sued, see here.

Sanity prevails, finally!

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Re: When you least expect it!
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2015, 08:55:51 PM »
Mostly in these cases there is a process of mitigation with all parties and concerns. The powers that be tend to be stubborn and heavy handed. They feel that their rule is threatened and with that, the profits exploiting the area and the people who live there. The powers that be, not the forest service and departments that are put in the middle of the power struggle.

We had our controversy here with the pygmy owl. There were only 33 left, apparently a subspecies population. We could build houses, but construction was limited at certain times of the year for the mating. The owners of large tracks of land were the angry ones. We were taking the 4.5 acre zoning and leaving it to 3.3 acre homesites. There is then less profit than to blade off the place for shopping centers, etc. The vast majority of people around here didn't want their lifestyles and the precious limited miracle of this desert, turned into shopping malls and track houses. We felt a kinship to the owls, both of our lifestyles were endangered.

This didn't effect existing golf courses, nor anyone's back yards. That just doesn't happen, except in the propaganda that big money sticks into the media and lobbying. It is big money and influence claiming to be protecting the little guy, when all along the little guys are little  effected.

There was an initiative to impede urban sprawl encouraging infill envelopment and renovation of neighborhoods in town. The developer groups spent $25 million dollars in a county of one million claiming that "it goes too far," using examples of family ranchers and threats to people's jobs. A good craftsman earns much more remodeling and constructing single homes than being paid by a big out of state companies to slap up boxes. The measure was eventually narrowly defeated. This is how it works.

By the way, the gila monster is endangered in their natural habitat, but they are a nuisance in some historic parts of town living under houses. ;D

When that which is precious is gone, it is gone forever. That's a part of my naturism. I look to the unspoiled and marvel in it like nothing else. I've watched my naturism being gobbled up all of my life because of the steady processes of greed and ignorance.

I'm not particularly intimate with prairie dogs lifestyles, but I have read enough to see that they won't last, if they are not allowed a sustainable spot to live and I know that other species numbers are down who eat them. I know that the Cattlemen's Association has been brutally self centered and ham handed for going on 125 years. It is simply big business disguised hiding behind the family ranchers. The same is true, and I am certain of this from years of first hand experience and committee work, that builder's associations and speculators are the same way. The Pacific Legal Foundation has always been an organization that claims to defend people's  rights. It is actually funded by a group of very wealthy pigs who are out to bust collective bargaining and unions. These are the same industrialist that use it in order to go back to a world that pollutes and destroys with impunity, hiding behind property rights.

We all need places to be natural, to know and experience actual nature and our nature amongst that. I tend to identify with the prairie dogs. I know that 3000 prairie dogs don't take up as much space as I need. It does sound bizarre to me that there is not enough room in the vastness (it is huge) of Utah for a few prairie dogs, that they would be threatening people's backyards and golf courses.

The reason that their numbers are down is habitat destruction to a point, but state wide, there has been an ongoing eradication because their towns undermine cattle's foot steps. Not the native species, just the cattle. This is where the money for lawsuits comes from. It wasn't the suburbanites that made them endangered, but the huge, out of state, meat producers use of extermination. Why would that be ignored in this article and some small spot like threatening somebodies backyard be mentioned? It is because the press is fed these lies and it makes people feel threatened. The definition of common propaganda.

Have you ever just sat and watched prairie dog towns? I have at the Sonoran Desert Museum, a zoo. They are amazing, more fun than monkeys. I'd like to watch a town while I'm naked sometime, the sun and prairie breeze on my back.
Jbee
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Re: When you least expect it!
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2019, 09:58:45 PM »
Perhaps that's why Scotsmen wear nowt under their kilts - so the kites don't get them when they skinny dip. Bird can become very aggressive. Whislt in Syndney the gull were swooping down and stealing the food off peoples plates whilst they were having their meal.

Davie  8)
Are Gulls edible themselves? Fork, knife, gull on my plate. Stab, pluck and cook?

I looked it up. Best soak in salt water several hours, add lots of herbs, get rid of entrails, then the key is to pour the whole thing out. Apparently the bad taste never goes away, unless you feed them for a month or more with grain.
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Re: When you least expect it!
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2019, 11:05:47 PM »
The gulls stealing from plates has happened to us on the café terrace of Swansea Sainsburys.

Gosh, JOhn, you  do visit some exotic faraway places with strange sounding names! :D
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Re: When you least expect it!
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2019, 11:23:58 PM »

Re Gulls:
They are pretty verminously fecund and common to find in the UK.  You get dive bombed by them at seaside towns and huge numbers feed off the detritus tipped on Landfill sites.  They are ever present on cliffs, docks and harbours particularly if there is a fishing fleet.
On holiday in the Adriatic in May the hotel had a low wall just along the restaurant window on which gulls would alight as we sat there.  Being 6 inches from one you realise what a large bird they are.  "Big buggers, those" as I remarked to the dear wife.  Plenty of meat on the breast i.e. their flight muscles to make a good dinner.  However I read that they taste foul (ahahaha! pun! :D ) as the rancid food and carrion that they eat makes them taste rank and fills them with nasty bacteria.  Don't know if any of that is true but it seems plausible.

In my reseraches I noted that at times it was illegal to consume shore birds, like the gulls.  There is the tale of the butcher in Germany who made sausage from various birds he killed.  Eventually the police showed up and had him arrested.  He was charged with taking a tern for the wurst.

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Re: When you least expect it!
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2019, 09:59:39 AM »
wheres the groan button?

on the bright side the wife now knows my jokes aint the wurst out there :)