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nuduke

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Re: Problems and progress with reluctant and difficult partners.
« Reply #120 on: May 28, 2019, 10:56:42 PM »

Well, we are back from our holiday which, whilst offering me lots of naked time, didn't go quite to plan.  Croatia and the Adriatic coast is known for its excellent weather, probably quite comparable to Arizona for dry sunny climate.  But guess what - Nuduke's luck operated and we arrived in the middle of the worst spell of wet weather and thunderstorms in May in Croatia in living memory!  So we had a lot of grey days with some rain.  There were a couple of sunbathing hot days and some sunny spells in the middle of other days, but solid beach weather it was not.  Nevertheless, Mrs N had promised to accompany me to the nudist beach one day and the first opportunity dawned for that with her having some difficulty with a bout of diahorrea, which whilst not preventing sunbathing and swimming, did confine us to the hotel for the day.  Mrs N was very tolerant of my nudity and I got a lot of rays on the hotel room balcony.


    


So much so that, far from burning I ended up with an allergy rash on patches of my legs which was either due to the sunblock or the sun itself.  Probably the latter - I have had this affliction for many years and I think it is triggered simply by heat...but not always!  However, I digress (and we never do that, do we?).


As the week and the poor weather wore on I gave up the notion of getting to the naturist beach which was a 30 minute bus ride then a 15 min walk to the ferry that took you out to the island (Lokrum), another 20 mins then another 20 min walk to the "beach" which was actually the rocky edge of the island at a rather uninvitingly steep slope down to a low cliff edge.  No actual beach at all. (We saw it when we went on a short boat trip around the bay of Dubrovnik). 


You can see it on this picture



However, all was not lost! Early on in the trip I took a walk along the coast from the hotel where there was a large extent of forest atop steep cliffs.  It was a steep ascent up a rocky pathway that looked like an Arizonan wash.  This picture gives you an impression of the gradient but underestimates it!






I took a small, little used path to detour off the main pathway and lo!  A little clearing appeared on the edge of the cliff with some strange construction on it.  I took this to be a military installation left over from WW2 or more likely the Croatian independence war with Serbia in the 1980s and 90s.





Despite meeting a couple of people on the main path, here I was alone nd isolated and soon had my clothes off and was standing or sitting on the edge of a precipitous plunging vertical cliff overlooking the Elafiti Islands in the distance and sundry shipping below.


    


I was able to sit and enjoy being naked in nature and walk about a bit although I couldn't be completely naked - I had to wear my sandals as the stony ground was very painful to walk on and evidenced with previous occupation in that there was broken glass in some parts. 






I meditated, and walked a little way along the cliff edge as the vegetation and rocks allowed, challenging the edge and my tendency to vertigo and thoroughly enjoyed my find.  I went back several times usually in kindly, evening sunshine to enjoy some more naked time.  The final time I was there I eventually and reluctantly dressed and no sooner had I pulled my t shirt and swim shorts on than a couple suddenly appeared up the path.  Phew! Encounter avoided.  I had not heard them coming.  I bid them a good afternoon and recommended the view and warned them merrily about not falling off and went on my way.  They looked at me oddly.  I think they were English or German so they would probably have understood my cheery greeting.  Had they seen me naked?  I don't know (and indeed don't care).
Photo taken after the sun dipped below the cliffs after a bi of SN contemplation of the Adriatic Sea


   


So whilst weather and the wife's pestilence robbed me of my opportunity to get her naked on a beach, nevertheless I had a good batch of naked time to myself, from which I was very satisfied that I had taken advantage of the opportunities that arose.  As to the rest of the holiday, on the grey days there was sightseeing and a trip into neighbouring Montenegro ...and I put on about 4lb in weight dammit!  Too many restaurant meals and ice creams (which were fabulously good in Dubrovnik, I might add)


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Re: Problems and progress with reluctant and difficult partners.
« Reply #121 on: May 28, 2019, 11:03:07 PM »
Rest assured, you can wear a hat and shoes, even boots, and all the jewelry you want and still be considered naked. You will even feel naked. Or nude.

My wife toured Europe after finishing college, which I'm not sure happens these days. Anyway, she reported that may places they went for swimming had no beaches, at least not the way we think of beaches. When she was there, it was still Yugoslavia but even earlier, when I was in Germany, the Adriatic Coast was the place to go if you were German.

Nice pictures, by the way.

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« Reply #122 on: May 29, 2019, 06:47:15 AM »
Dang weird weather. It snowed up on Mt. Lemmon at the end of May. It never has come close to that. We changed our plans. We had a great time. Looks like you did, too.

Nicely thought out pics.
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« Reply #123 on: July 31, 2019, 06:29:16 PM »

Interesting development at home today.
My dear spouse was a bit preoccupied with a variety of things today and actually so have I been (watering the indoor and garden pot plants and putting the laundry away, that sort of stuff).  I forget what time we got up and started the day - it wasn't early, maybe about 9am.  As is my habit, I don't get dressed until I have to for some reason and there was no reason today.  We carried on with our chores and interacted as usual and as the hours wore on I was gleefully noticing that Mrs N hadn't mentioned the fact that I was naked.  It took some 5 or 6 hours for her to complain that I wasn't dressed which is a record when we are together.  I shared that with her at lunch, which is when she noticed. "I've been busy, didn't bother to stop you" she said without rancour.  Oh yes?  I reckon that in fact she'd hardly noticed.  Is she getting used to me naked at last?  Is the war of attrition getting somewhere?  I doubt if today was other than an exception but at least I got an opportunity to discuss it with her and thank her for not bothering.
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« Reply #124 on: July 31, 2019, 10:26:43 PM »
So, you keep her very very busy? Or do you set up domestic life like parallel play?  :D

I've heard of wives being worn down over time and throwing in the towel in increments. They realize that it isn't enough to make issue about. Or, they realize that their husbands are big boys and need to make their own choices without a motherly reminder. My boss thirty years ago was the first, she was just doing BS with the secretary and said resolutely, "I just can't keep clothes on him when he is home."

DF suggested for me to say, "Okay mom," or sarcastically "Thanks mom." It worked on her behavior, which wasn't about my nudity of course. I haven't said that in a couple of years. I also remember that she nailed a "thanks dad" on me." She was correct.
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« Reply #125 on: August 06, 2019, 07:00:19 AM »
It appears that she is grudgingly accepting the situation John, but will continue to remind you of her objections.
Hang in there friend.

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« Reply #126 on: August 06, 2019, 08:03:48 PM »
Nuduke has been hanging in there for many years, now. He is expert at that. He has also been winning, incrementally. His patience and perseverance is admirable and beyond me.
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Re: Problems and progress with reluctant and difficult partners.
« Reply #127 on: August 10, 2019, 04:47:57 PM »

And I will continue to hang! (and dangle!!) 
I wish she would make some sort of compromise like "Thursdays are nude days" but she still says she feels uncomfortable when I am nude.  Mind you this is very conditional.  Upstairs and in the bedroom nudity goes without remark usually but downstairs whilst doing normal things like cooking or cleaning or whatever, that's what triggers her rigid lines of 'propriety'.  I put on a wrap or some leidure shorts if she objects and let it fall as soon as I can.  So the uncomfortable truce proceeds.  Sometimes she just doesn't notice for a while.  Sometimes she claims to have been bothered by my nakedness but couldn't be bothered to object (that's a bit of hypocrisy to hide that she realises this isn't going to go away).  But yes, the fact that I want to be naked has become accepted, however grudgingly.  Her aim in life is to cover me up but that recognises that my norm now is to be naked when possible.  Incremental yes, but OHHHHhhhhhh so slow!


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Re: Problems and progress with reluctant and difficult partners.
« Reply #128 on: August 10, 2019, 06:16:15 PM »
People get divorced over less important things.

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« Reply #129 on: August 11, 2019, 10:10:11 PM »
Dating, or looking for a future partner, I'll always consider the potential for a naturist. Somethings just can't be compromised, or go without support. This aspect of my lifestyle is one. I was like this before I married the wrong persons, but that at least wasn't one of the reasons for divorce. :-X
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Re: Problems and progress with reluctant and difficult partners.
« Reply #130 on: August 13, 2019, 07:53:06 PM »

Been naked most of the day today, done garden, housework, admin.. all as nature intended - wife's off on an all day trip :)
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« Reply #131 on: August 26, 2019, 10:02:57 PM »

Further news from Lake Nudebegone
We've had record sunny and hot days for the time of year again over the last 4 days (32-35 deg C) and, apart from popping out for 10 minutes for some milk and a quick visit to the local department store for some last minute holiday shopping, my wife and I have been at home.
I have been utterly blatant about not wanting to wear anything and have only kept my wrap to hand for when my dear spouse complains.
I have dropped it as soon as her back is turned e.g. when she is reading in the sunshine on the patio, I settle myself naked behind her and out of her field of vision or if I am in another room the wrap is off in an instant.  She is aware of this and is sort of content to put up with it as long as she isn't looking at me or in the same room.  When I don't cover up, it's good how long it has been before she has recovered her ingrained prejudices and asked me to put the wrap on (or 'something on' as she puts it).
When she is out of the room I drop the wrap straight away and when she comes back maybe a few minutes to an hour or two later she always 'tut tuts' but I stay naked.  If I go to where she is I am naked and she says with exasperation "Oh, your naked again.  Please put something on."  And I say "Yes, in a minute, but I came to talk to you about X and Y Ö"  and carry on as long as possible without covering up.

Whilst I guess the heat and lethargy has made her a little laissez faire secretly, she still never misses an opportunity to complain.  But this weekend the complaints have been somewhat attenuated in tone and force.  In other words she's letting me be me a bit more than, but not letting her guard drop too far :)
She has been sleeping naked in the heat and yesterday she woke, acknowledged that it was still very hot and when I suggested she just not get dressed to combat the heat a bit she just wouldn't go out of the bedroom without getting dressed albeit in not much clothes.  On enquiry why she didn't want to be naked she said she was uncomfortable and felt exposed and didn't like it.  She also brought up the need to wear a bra which absorbs some of the underboob sweat on hot days.  And then the old, old, old chestnut "Someone may come to the door".  I took exception to this, as I have done before, and averred that I am not living my life in fear and protecting myself against the remote possibility of an unsolicited visitor!! We had a Amazon delivery that day and I simply donned my shorts between doorbell and answering the door to show her how unnecessary it was.  She then related that one of her friends in the village had told her that she was a bit shocked when she popped round on an unsolicited visit and I answered the door in my dressing gown early afternoon.  I don't know exactly what this lady was shocked by - that I wasn't dressed per se or that I wasn't dressed in the afternoon.  What boggled me is that her friend sought to bring this up at all.  What's the big deal? Unfortunately, like everyone I suppose, we live amongst people who have no conception that not wearing clothes is an option and who are utterly geriatrically ingrained with the total lack of recognition or understanding that others may choose not to wear clothes.  It just never crosses their tiny minds.
Anyway, an exceptionally naked weekend!

John 

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« Reply #132 on: August 27, 2019, 04:38:07 PM »
Seems you have a standard method to confront persistent pressure to alter your newly implemented strategy.

I would have had the same reaction to the intrusion by the friend. As you said that there was a compulsion to air an opinion on activities in a house that they didnít live in.

Yes, boggling!

Duane