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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #105 on: October 27, 2015, 04:49:51 PM »
BN is gradually changing in that respect.
Another way in which this is happening is that BN are, at last, trying to pressure clubs on sex discrimination as it affects single males. There are good reasons to believe that the way some clubs exclude single males is actuallt illegal.
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« Reply #106 on: October 28, 2015, 09:57:32 AM »
Juliette Gill is a breath of fresh air. With her husband she is doing great things for naturism in Scotland, including contacting her local Police and telling them she is going out walking naked and getting their acceptance that what she is doing is OK. She has also produced an advice sheet about the law concerning naturism in Scotland that us free rangers can carry and produce if challenged by the Police. The BN region recently received an
award from BN for making progress, the first time an award has been made for 14 years.

John makes the point that discrimination against singles may be illegal. That's the problem, may be illegal - not is illegal. We discussed the law at the BN AGM and its not clear cut which is a pity, but so much law is ambiguous, that's of course to the advantage of the lawyers!

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« Reply #107 on: October 28, 2015, 07:17:02 PM »
Davie, I went to the BN site. I discovered this:

http://www.bn.org.uk/campaigning/index.php
http://www.bn.org.uk/community/files/file/669-public-place-naturism-portable-legal-guidance/
http://www.bn.org.uk/community/ccs_files/briefings/140529_Legal_Guidance_E_amp_W_2014.pdf

I am missing anything specific to Scotland. Is the law the same? I thought that things are more harsh in Scotland, or is that just in the enforcement?
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« Reply #108 on: October 28, 2015, 07:58:57 PM »
The law in Scotland is entirely separate from England. We have the Crown Prosecution Service, they have the Procurator Fiscal. They have an additional verdict of not proven. The advice was issued as a draft at the AGM and will be circulated hopefully in the next BN Magazine and be available on the web site.

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« Reply #109 on: October 28, 2015, 08:15:16 PM »
We could use something like that here, to put off overreaching authorities. It could be a get out of jail free card in some circumstance. It must serve to help relax, feel a bit more confident and feel legitimate.

We have so many different jurisdictions here. There could never be a blanket card like that. It is good that the feds have nothing on the books about nudity. Maybe, a different one for each state. Maybe something could be set with NAC's participation for Arizona.

Good for Juliette Gill and spouse. We (The Southern Arizona NAturist Society SANS) used to get together with the local Forest Service in a similar way and setting out warning signs near campsites.   

I'd be curious to see what the difference is between the two cards.
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« Reply #110 on: November 04, 2015, 08:34:56 PM »
I always cringe when I hear the word "appropriate." It is so subjective, arbitrary, and often empty generalization.

"That's (in)(not) appropriate", is as overused and as meaningless a phrase as "Have a nice day". It has its place though, where appropriate. ;D

Context is a concept that is not considered often in jurisprudence. Intent seems to be considered only when convenient to the lawyers.

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« Reply #111 on: November 13, 2015, 04:09:56 PM »
This one showed up in my e-mail on a topic news list.  Celeb nudity

What Do You Do When You Lose Your Pants? Pose Nude, Says Nina Agdal [PHOTOS]

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/12/nina-agdal-loses-pants-poses-nude-photos/#ixzz3rNtzS2lk

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« Reply #112 on: November 13, 2015, 04:32:48 PM »
Celeb nudity, of a conventionally attractive young woman. In other words, business as usual.

And I do mean "business" as in profit-making commerce. Any time we see an image of a babe, we need to ask "Who plans to make some money here?"

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« Reply #113 on: November 13, 2015, 05:02:45 PM »
Nudity is becoming more common in popular media.   All the clebs are doing it.

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« Reply #114 on: November 13, 2015, 05:06:08 PM »
http://www.thewrap.com/stephen-colbert-tests-network-censorship-limits-with-nude-art-video/

http://mashable.com/2015/11/13/modigliani-masterpiece-censored/#3ilWcx_qzSqy

So celebs getting their kit off is business, so that's all right. A piece of classic artwork sells for a record auction price, and the US networks go all coy with the pixelator ....

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #115 on: November 13, 2015, 05:12:02 PM »
Celeb nudity, of a conventionally attractive young woman. In other words, business as usual.

And I do mean "business" as in profit-making commerce. Any time we see an image of a babe, we need to ask "Who plans to make some money here?"

And too often that is the reason. There have been lists of celebrities, well known people in the sciences and authors who have all expounded the nudist lifestyle. We never hear of them because there is not the "perfect" body attached. I will add this however; there has become more of an awareness that the common people I know at least engage in home nudity. It may only be a short step before it becomes social but the biggest hang up is body shame. It's all right for a spouse to see me naked but not the rest of the world and these kinds of pictures do not help. If only more well known people would expose those less than perfect bodies? I know the body haters would be out there; the religious zealots and those who hide behind a keyboard to ridicule but a ground swell may get started. That's why the Walgreens ad strikes a cord to me.
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« Reply #116 on: November 13, 2015, 05:18:54 PM »
American TV is still hurting from when CBS and many local stations all got fined over Janet Jackson's showing off her pierced nipple at Superbowl halftime.  Its the GOVERNMENT, not the TV networks that enforces the prohibition on TV nudity.  I'm glad Colbert is pushing to get it changed. 

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« Reply #117 on: November 13, 2015, 05:25:49 PM »
Yup, you got it, Nudewalker. And if we're talking about censorship, let's not forget the enormously common practice of modifying images that we're presented with, so as to create a more easily merchandised version. (I won't say "more beautiful" because I just don't recognize an unrealistic image as beautiful.) Just like censorship, it's this scheme of making reality something unacceptable that we ought to be fighting.

I just saw an article somewhere that said digital image manipulation has now reached the point where they don't need "body doubles" to avoid showing famous performers naked in movies. They can make them look nude even if they were clothed when the filming was done. Maybe now if every starlet can acquire giant breasts in post-production, it's gonna kill the boob job industry!

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« Reply #118 on: November 13, 2015, 05:35:02 PM »
Don't get me started on the Janet Jackson incident! (Which was in 2004 by the way, not exactly yesterday.) That was a classic stripper performance, partial fleeting nudity used as an erotic display, for those who think that kind of thing is erotic. People were absolutely right to protest, and naturists should be applauding that it was recognized for what it was.

Once again, check the facts! CBS beat the fine in court, no doubt after spending many times the cost in legal bills. But they did it by surrendering the main issue, namely they said they hadn't been given adequate warning of what was prohibited. In doing that, they  accepted that it was something prohibited--so they've put themselves in a position where they can never do it again in the future. But technology has made the whole thing pretty much irrelevant anyway, because everyone has cable and the Internet, where rules covering broadcast TV don't apply.

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #119 on: November 14, 2015, 12:28:59 AM »
Celeb Miley Cyrus goes naked and freaks out the conservative media, who still run the photos.  http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/13/has-miley-taken-her-nudity-too-far-this-time-photos/

In my opinion the more naked bodies are shown in media, any media, the more common it becomes for the public to see naked bodies.  Good for the celebs who push nudity. 
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