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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2015, 11:45:51 PM »
Duane, you may remember last year I visited JOhn's boat at Droitwich, but sadly not with him on it! 
Droitwich Marina is indeed a good berth and we navigated up to Droitwich and did a little shopping, coffee & ice cream and then returned back to the Worcester & Birmingham canal.

Peering in through the window, Ernest is a nice boat - medium sized (50' is, JOhn?)and unlike the average rental boat is kitted out for two people to live in comfort, not 4-6 so there is space for a living room and room for armchairs and a desk kitted out to dock the laptop, which I was rather impressed with!  Quite a home from home!

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« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2015, 07:44:11 PM »
There are some enterprising women in New York City that are pushing the boundaries of the top free ordinance in NYC. In other venues using paint will get you a pass from local authorities. NYC has had a topless law on the books for a few years and the universe hasn't imploded. I suppose it was inevitable that someone would come up with a means of earning a living off of a new law.

It is impossible to define art in the court or precinct. As a supreme court justice once remarked when asked to define obscenity, "I know it when I see it", such is the likely end result of performance art. Maybe there should be a distinction between "entertainment' and "art", but no one wants to define it for fear of an unintended consequence. Maybe that's a good thing.

Video of the ladies and their comments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67TP-uzxcY0

This report at attempts to show both sides of the story. The NY Daily News is apparently the tabloid that is only focused on selling papers by using shock tactics.
http://gothamist.com/2015/08/17/naked_times_square_struggle.php

The article mentions turf fights among the “performers”. One might wonder if the displays may degrade into spontaneous wrestling matches. With everything qualifying these days as art, it might be possible.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/nyregion/the-desnudas-of-times-square-topless-but-for-the-paint.html?_r=0

Looking at the videos and pictures, the kids watching the “adult” performers and viewers seem to vary between amusement and bewilderment. None seem to be terrified as the articles suggest.
http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2015/08/19/mayor-vows-to-bring-about-regulation-of-topless-painted-ladies-in-times-square.html

Curiously, here in Las Vegas, the buskers downtown are running afoul of the city officials whom are scrambling to appear in control of inventive street performers. In the Fremont Street Experience, which is a major attraction for tourists, it can get a little weird with all of them vying for the tourist dollars. There has recently been proposed an ordinance that would codify the rules for street performers. Neither Nevada or Las Vegas are a topfree zone. The Painted Ladies would definitely get arrested here.

Oddly enough DeBlasio, a left leaning democrat, is leading the push to regulate. He seems to think NYPD is a department needed to help decide the procedures. A police department is only supposed to enforce, not propose regulation. A strange couple of bedfellows there.

Google these women and their activities and you will get more than enough reading about a seeming harmless group of people.

Duane

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« Reply #32 on: August 21, 2015, 06:40:38 PM »
How to get naked for people who overanalyse things. Just DO IT for heaven's sake ....

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/23/magazine/how-to-be-naked-in-public.html?_r=0

And another case of "nude therefore mentally disturbed"

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/indiana-priest-church-pastor-found-naked-school/

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« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2015, 11:00:22 AM »
I may side with the nude-but-disturbed camp in this case.
What possessed the man to exercise his nudity in such an inappropriate place?
Could there have been a logical explanation?  If not, then one might speculate that his judgment was sadly extremely, nay dangerously (to him) lacking.  Could he have been under the influence of something?

What is sad is that whilst millions are enjoying their healthy, uplifting naturist preference in safe and / or secluded circumstances, it is these rare exceptions where inappropriate nudity is discovered that get the prurient, sensationalist publicity.

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« Reply #34 on: August 23, 2015, 08:38:16 PM »
I agree. One might argue it was his intent.

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« Reply #35 on: August 24, 2015, 12:21:42 AM »
Lots of parades today and this weekend for GoTopless Day. Since it's legal in NYC the news reports are showing the women as is without any photoshop additions, the news organizations don't have to worry about lawsuits. At least the untouched pictures are becoming more normal. Nothing remarkable as it's legal for a woman to be topless in NYC. Some political comments can still be classified in the grandstanding catagory.

A couple of other sites of parades. A New York City parade, another one here. At least somewhere other than the east or west coast in this Minnesota parade.

There are at least a few places that are not legal that seem to be making headway. As usual there are sophmoric boys yukking it up and taking pictures of "BOOBS". Not the event, not the parade, or the women and other marchers, just the boobs. Nothing much has changed on that front.

As Bob says, a little more each time, and it is more accepted.

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« Reply #36 on: August 24, 2015, 02:00:50 AM »
I may side with the nude-but-disturbed camp in this case.
What possessed the man to exercise his nudity in such an inappropriate place?
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I'm sorry but I disagree that there is any inappropriate place for human beings to be seen as human beings.   I strongly disagree with those who attack and shame this priest. 

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« Reply #37 on: August 24, 2015, 10:23:58 AM »
Pastor steps down after being found naked in school

We don’t know what time of day or night that he was nude in the school. We don’t know, where in the school, halls, classrooms, office, etc. We don’t know why he was nude. Was he being free range and has other nude activities? Did he have a secret naturist inclination and went for it. Was it a way for a man in a boring contained lifestyle to release, or rebel, or just get a rush and feel more alive? Did he have the notion to be seen, found out, or not? Did he know that the secretary was there? She didn’t know that he was there. She’s the one who freaked out and called. The police weren’t in a position to do anything, apparently.  I remember one Saturday, I was at my small school getting caught up, and began to entertain the idea of wishing that I could do this nude and comfortably, and the fun that it would be to be working nude in an inappropriate place, but I didn’t let go to the impulse and stayed carefully professional. I thought that I was alone and nearly jumped out of my skin at the copy machine, when as I contemplated this, the secretary came out of nowhere. I had been certain that I was alone and wouldn’t have even considered it, or thought of it otherwise. Maybe, the priest just went with it. Maybe he thought that he was alone.

I don’t see a great deal of what is “appropriate” in school settings, especially church run, as actually appropriate, myself.  The atmosphere is nutty and unhealthy in many ways. One has to accept these nutty ways, just as the game, if you want to be paid and be privileged to give something to kids. I think that the artificial, just plain wrong notion of repression of nudity, dress codes and the like are wholly overblown. The reality is play your role, keep your persona, costume and control, but that doesn’t make it right.

I’m also disagreeing with Nuduke on this one. I go along with what Bob says, “I disagree that there is any inappropriate place for human beings to be seen as human beings.   I strongly disagree with those who attack and shame this priest.” BUT, I see the priest shaming himself as well. It may only be my imagination, but according to the system, he is supposed to be ashamed for his lapse and wrong doing. That is, if he believes the game is real and healthy. He resigns, because as is the game, he can do nothing else in his position. Perhaps he recognizes it as a game (as I did) and his nude antics are to him another game. He played and lost. He repents and he still has a job somewhere in the church, it passes. If he tries to hold on and he exposes his true self, he gets booted.  SN takes a big risk and gets caught, but like Bob says, it shouldn’t be a risk in the first place.

 I hope that I understand Bob’s point, and don’t misrepresent him. My apologies if I just did.

It is a shame, as Nuduke offers us, that this kind of publicity has a message that says nudity is bad, shameful, a lie and a disgrace. A priest or authority can have no humanity in many ways under severe punishment systemically and that is a wrong in my book. The priest could stand up and declare that he has done no wrong and stand his ground as it opened up under his feet and he dropped to Hell. Perhaps, the priest HAS declared that he has been a hypocrite. Perhaps he has decided to end his lie, or perhaps extend it.
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« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2015, 05:42:43 PM »
There is a scene in the play and movie "Fiddler on the Roof" where Tevye is in a discussion with two other men in a bar and they are all disagreeing. At one point he tells one, "You know, you are right". At a later point when listening to the opposing view, he tells the other, "You are right". The other man challenges him and states both can't be right. He looks at him and says, "You know, you are right too".

This is one of those scenes.

It is too bad the thing blew up and he had to resign. I suspect that Jbee is right that he just wasn't thinking. Being innocently nude shouldn't be viewed that way. But it is. To ignore that there might be consequences is to fool yourself. This is what I meant by he might have subconsciously wanted this to happen.

I hope that all turns out well and I also agree with Bob that he shouldn't be shamed for what happened. There are always people ready and waiting to make political points over anything.

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« Reply #39 on: August 27, 2015, 10:50:07 PM »
Hang on a mo!

I entirely agree with Bob's statement.  The naked body should be considered neither unusual, wrong, shameful or anything else negative.  In the proverbial 'ideal world', that Priest or anyone else should be able to go about their business dressed or undressed however they like without fear of shame or repercussion.  I wasn't arguing that point, chaps.

The problem is not whether being naked is ok or not (it is ok!), the problem is the opinions about nudity held by other people.  And my point was that the Priest in exercising what should be his natural right, did not take account of the position of disapproval created by some people that he risked crossing (appropriate metaphor for a priest!) and in the end did cross, and did come into conflict with , by his incautious nudity.

I think both Jbee and Duane also make this point.  The right to be nude may be an inalienable one but there are those who just don't accept that. It actually matters little why the Priest was naked, what he was naked for or what the surrounding circumstances were.  The fact is he was persecuted for exercising his inalienable right in a place where others considered it to be alienable and perhaps he should have recognised that and taken precautions, like we all do, to be able to co-exist in peace with those opposing opinions and people.

But it is evident that our friend the Pastor was surrounded by such opposing views because he was not tolerated when he was observed and someone called the police (although the lenient action of the police is to be praised).

The years of correspondence on TSNS and here are rippled through and through with the main theme of our existence as a group and our secrecy - or perhaps better expressed - our exercise of our preference to be naked out of the sight of disapproval by those members of mainstream society who do disapprove, in order not to be persecuted and 'punished' by those people and thus coexist in peace. 

Thus our very own Secret Naturist existence makes my point for me which is that the Priest did what he did in circumstances of danger to himself, rather than actively taking steps to mitigate the risk, and those risks came to pass in his being observed and now persecuted by the disapproving observers.

In supporting his right to be nude we may be accused of naïve credulousness in implying that he was innocently going about some sort of business where the fact of his nudity was irrelevant.  Maybe we should be more warily sceptical and question his motives in defence of ourselves and our kindred spirits?  Who knows?  Perhaps his intention was to shock?  Perhaps he was psychologically challenged?  Perhaps he was displaying some sort of perversion which would damage the sanctity of nudity and the fight for the right to be so? Perhaps he was foolishly, credulously, innocently thinking he could get away with it and that nobody would mind.

Therefore I re-nail myself again to the same cross as I have just been crucified on - if he were a real, innocent, intelligent, natural naturist, he might have been expected to exercise better judgment than he did.  I take umbrage that there might be any implication that I am not in the same camp as Bob in believing that there is no inappropriate place for human beings to be seen as human beings.  I contend that Bob's rather brief and general statement did not sufficiently recognise that other people's opinions differ as I am utterly sure Bob knows too.  So therefore as naturists we should find ways to educate, integrate and emancipate our preference and that means having the judgment to choose to convince or confront other people to change their opinions in circumstances which are productive to that change.  The Priest did not choose his moment or location well, in my view, and therefore didn't spread the word of peace and enlightenment about nudity; quite the reverse.  Hence my initial remark
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« Reply #40 on: August 28, 2015, 01:33:07 AM »
I looked up umbrage in Merriam-Websters. Uh sorry Nuduke.

 Speaking if Bob. That fire has been in his neck of the woods and it seems like he hasn't posted since that. I read a report that no structures had been done in during the quarter million acre fire. I've been concerned that it disrupted his life. The smoke has been thick clear up in the timberline.

Ah ha! I have found a post by him, yesterday and today.
Will that fire affect your off site naturism, Bob?
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« Reply #41 on: August 30, 2015, 02:57:41 PM »
Once again as I try to come to grips that some in the religious orders are actually human.
http://www.rt.com/usa/313771-drone-sunbather-wind-turbine/

As I mentioned in an earlier post today maybe there is more fear from drones for those who need to keep a low profile.
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« Reply #42 on: August 30, 2015, 04:36:41 PM »
What a perfect place for sunbathing naked - or at least it would seem to be. He wasn't, but that is both amazing and scary.
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« Reply #43 on: August 30, 2015, 04:44:30 PM »
As I mentioned in an earlier post today maybe there is more fear from drones for those who need to keep a low profile.

A few  years back when Google Earth first came out there was a list of backyard nudists who could be seen on Google's Earth Cam.  Whether from space, from airplanes, or from drones, when we are out and about as human beings we may be photographed.   My way of dealing with it is to recognize that I intend to be seen and appreciated as a human being without having to hide myself.  I sometimes remind myself that IF I were concerned about being seen naked, I would be clothed.  I'm not concerned.  I expect to be seen.  I am me.  If someone doesn't like seeing me, that is not my problem.

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« Reply #44 on: August 30, 2015, 07:53:24 PM »
Same for me - I don't really care whether I'n seen or not but I DO care about offending anybody with delicate susceptibilities.
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