Nudes in the news

[ric]

"Officers located 49-year-old Robert Kanoff across the street completely naked, only wearing shoes. "

Doesn't sound like Mr. Kanoff was going around trying to offend people.  Just minding his own business. 

AZ law:  "....and the defendant is reckless about whether the other person, as a reasonable person, would be offended or alarmed by the act."


The AZ law does not outright ban public nudity.  It also has to have some "act" that a "reasonable person" would be offended by.   How is shopping with a choice of no clothes an offensive "act."  It sounds very ordinary to me.   Mr. Kanoff also finished his shopping and headed across the street before cops arrived.  Not an "act" of someone who is deliberately "acting" to offend anyone.

Bad arrest.

press report states he took drugs earlier and was charged with pocession of dangerous drugs,

press emphasise the naked bit for headlines


imho not enough info to lable it a bad arrest

[Greenbare Woods]

Note she was passed into the care of medical professionals. It sounds as if she was taken into care rather than being arrested.Davie 

Being naked is "crazy" by definition in the minds of some people.   Send her to a shrink.

[nuduke]

Officers located 49-year-old Robert Kanoff across the street completely naked, only wearing shoes.

I agree - that is a particularly dreadful sentence irrespective of the low standard of US journalism.  You can only sink so far!
The construction of that short sentence leaves it completely ambiguous as to whether Kanoff, the police or the street were naked.  I suggest


"Robert Kanoff,(49), naked apart from shoes, was located across the street by police."


Much better!


John

[Greenbare Woods]

Naked women panhandling in NY City. 

Idiotic city policy refuses to enforce laws when illegal immigrants are criminals. 

Cops say hands are tied in arresting unruly 'desnudas' naked female panhandlers 'because most are illegal immigrants'

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/31/desnudas-naked-female-panhandlers-harass-times-square-tourists.html

[jbeegoode]

They are attempting to regulate in order to enforce boundaries to their behavior. They want to have a license for these people, but many would not register because they are illegals, so that kind of solution doesn't work. Well, if you fail to display any license like any business, then you should get a fine. But they can't track illegals to fine them. Then, you have a politician afraid to exert the illegal status of the law. Yea, that is messed up, but how many are actually illegal, disturbing the peace, etc. They are not actually naked. Filming violations is a solution, but I'll bet that it is expensive to arrest and prosecute. NY is a quagmire.

The headline is misleading, there are other solutions. The Post and Fox News are influenced by Rupert Murdock control and little more than Republican propaganda rags, racist and exploitative.

That mayor is a democrat, whose weakness is the non-white more poor vote, which he is catering to. New York is a crap hole in so many ways, not just politically. I don't think that it has much to do with Iowa, but it is being used for a political agenda and our naturist rights are being drug into the mud by this exploitative crap. It should not be published as a national issue, it is a local NY problem. It is therefore a media use to sell, to exploit and create political agenda as propaganda.

Whatever one's take toward the political end of this, not everyone here would agree with that, but with that garbage in mind, I do believe that it is bad public relations for our sensibilities and move toward body freedom. In New York, 7 women courageously fought in court for equal protection under the law, then these obnoxious New Yorker street scum are using that good intention to exploit and harass to make a buck. It spits all over those crusaders efforts, our humanity and I enjoyed watching that bitch get arrested. She assaulted the cop. She pushed the cop and wasn't arrested for that!?! The politicians are not enforcing the law. Perhaps it is a wider agenda to restrict publicly displayed breast and the powers are letting it get out of hand toward boiling point. The Times Square authority quoted doesn't like the body painting artist there. Maybe he wants to end it all. They "cleaned up" Times Square, and that is policy still, his policy.

This is all about body exploitation, by media, by law, by politicians, by street scum.
Jbee

 

[eyesup]

I have been to new York only once. It was fun. We may go again.

I would not want to live there.

Duane

[jbeegoode]

I was given the tour by a pal. I flew back for three Grateful Dead shows at Madison Square Garden. It is awesome in the canyons of skyscrapers for a few minutes. After that, it is a city. There are too many rude, hyped up obnoxious people there. The language is raw, the accents crude, the pace unhealthy. We have New Yorkers come out here. They are usually the nice ones, but it takes a while to get them to calm down and lay back.

I stayed in New Jersey and after the shows, we took a long drive into the New England fall leave's displays.

Yep, my pal took us to a dingy old basement. There was a private sex club down in there. Very sleezey and kinky. Interesting, but he enjoyed it more than me. The bars and restaurants were uncomfortable and felt again, hyped up. Food...fabulous.

I'm a nature boy. NYC, dirty pigeon crap, polluted smells, keep off the grass, crowds and gum wrappers, just ain't nature. AND where does a being get naked? If a woman legally pulls off her top, a gang of crude catcallers assault her like...Trump on a movie starlet.

Previous to that, I was with friends while insulated in their limo, dropped off at clubs, bribed our way in, sat up all night on drugs in an apartment. They spend a lot of money to have that empty lifestyle in NYC. Nope, getting naked with drunken women in an apartment while partying isn't naturism.

My apologies to any New Yorkers who seem to like it there.
Jbee

[eyesup]

Food...fabulous.

Ditto. In fact ditto again.
We didn’t eat anywhere the food wasn’t great. Always tried to find anything not a chain restaurant and it was worth the effort. Still wouldn’t want to live there though.

We enjoyed poking around historical stuff and museums. Went to an off Broadway show in an old building where we had to follow several corridors to find it. And that was entertaining. Not the flashy Times Square thing.

Rode mass transit the whole time. Didn't have to drive anywhere!

Duane

[Safebare]

I was in NYC to work the WTC cleanup. It was strange in so many ways for this native Texan. Rode a bicycle up to, around Central Park & took transit to a nude swim on Long Island. I got to drive a 'Gator' around South Manhattan in the middle of the night  Mostly spent my time working with the contractors and first responders on the site. It was a life changing experience.

[JOhnGw]

It strikes me, from these descriptions of NY, that all such cities tend to exaggerate the worst characteristics of their country.

[eyesup]

We were there in 2010 and went down to Battery Park. They were about halfway finished with the new building. All that debris was gone and the open pit had new construction in it.

You are right, Safebare.
Even at nine years afterward with all the scars erased, it was still gut wrenching to look at.

Ok, I’ll bite! I know what a gator is in the south, what’s a gator in NYC.

Duane

[eyesup]

I have lived in Dallas-Ft. Worth, Houston, Denver and now Las Vegas and have visited most of the largest cities in the States. Above a population of about 2 million there is little difference, outside of culture, among them.

Major cities, no matter the country, are the country in microcosm. It has all the good and the bad from all over. It’s not so much that it’s exaggerated, you just see it all juxtaposed in one spot.

I suppose it’s like that everywhere.

Duane

[jbeegoode]

Eyesup, I'd probably agree and say that about every place that I've been, but NYC and much surrounding the area is the exception. I go to other cities and when I find the hustle, hassle and crude, they are so often attached to the unmistakable accents of a displaced New Yorker. There are nice New Yorkers, I'm not painting that broad of a stroke, but there are soo many obnoxious personalities perverted by the culture there.

For a time, I used to meet and greet tourists daily from all over the world. Then there were these NYC people, who had never really seen stars, thinking nature is a golfcourse or a crowded beach in Jersey, a piece of dirt to exploit, worshiping a buck, thinking themselves better, or critiquing and dismissing their servers like servants peons pawns in their employ instead of fellow humans, and the sexism. There is that unmistakable dog eat dog hustle that so evidently has trapped them. These people know no different. It takes some time to mellow them out. They are generally just folks that have been subjected to a crappy place, system and other's abuse. They step off of a plane and there is a definitive culture shock, like people from no other place. Many recognize this in themselves and I could watch them change. It gave me faith in human nature how many were good friendly folks, in-spite of the bizarre jaded environment that they live in. They would respond to me being genuine and nice, like the sight of mountains and clean air, something for them that they are not used to. There is something generally hard about NYC that lacks the personable and genteel. 
Jbee
 

[Safebare]

Duane, I was referring to a John Deere Gator, utility vehicle.
The experience I had there was definitely not typical. But I am aware of the 'in your face' culture that permeates NYC residents. My physical therapist is from Long Island and has a bit of that arrogance in her approach to clients. We talked about it in our first session. I almost switched to another therapist. But we are breaking down some of those barriers and it helps both of us grow a bit.
My favorite niece is living in NYC now. I have challenged her on the negative traits that have cropped up. She says it is for self preservation, but I explain that what changes a person cannot simultaneously preserve a self. But then, I am still in Texas.

[ric]

our nearest city is wells, pop about 11000, its about 15 miles north , i guess ive been in the city centre twice in the last 10 years.

next nearest is exeter (30 miles) where my daughter went to uni and youngest son is going in the autumn , so have been there a bit more often in recent years.

the big city 35 miles to the north is bristol ... i can honestly say ive never been into the city centre.

its about 20 years since i last visited london, we went for a few days when our eldest had a german exchange student over ,  i cant forsee any reason to revisit.