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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #720 on: January 27, 2018, 04:32:26 PM »

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[font=]However if you hang either good or bad art in a public building that citizens HAVE to use, you are attempting to force people to view something they may not wish to see. You have made the ethical leap between the right of freedom of speech and the right to an audience by using the government as your weapon of force.[/font]
I think that sentence and the general drift of your last post, whilst trying, I think, to purvey your usual liberal and tolerant attitudes, treads a fine line between that and an over- 'PC' (politically correct) dictatorship of a restrictive moral and aesthetic code.  What I think you were saying and what I also think Jbee was reacting against, was the suggestion that the public in its places where art could be exhibited should only allow or choose art of a generally acceptable, inoffensive, anodyne sort to avoid extremes of opinion being 'forced' upon people in places they could not avoid and avoiding public spaces to exhibit anything that might give any offence to anyone for whatever reason.


I would say that position is mistaken and that censoriousness should be applied (if that is ever appropriate) to the people your suggestion would be trying to protect i.e. those who feel uncomfortable or who don't want to see certain artistic expressions.  It is the danger of eliciting their intolerance that is driving your comment it seems.  On the contrary therefore, I should rather see these peoples' fossilised positions on nudity and many other subjects challenged by the very freedom of organisations and artists to exhibit where the want and can.  The right of free expression is more important than pandering to a minority that because of their own personal prejudices and bigotries cannot accept something and cannot let it be.  For each person that objects to some picture or sculpture or whatnot there may be many that approve and are edified and enlightened by the same thing.  If the reverse is true then the majority needs to be actively encouraged to think of why they make and objection to a work of art and not simply have the offending work taken away.


No, keep the art and educate the objector, I say.  Help them to object in tolerance and teach them the danger that their censorship leads towards the sort of fascist cultural hegemony that has not been historically particularly successful and that monumental societal change and world wars have been employed to liberate us from.


Err,,,That's not to say you are a fascist, Duane, no no no no no.  I just think your customary polite liberalism caused a minor misjudgment on this one!


Pax, pax, pax, my friend! :)


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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #721 on: January 27, 2018, 08:16:59 PM »
Public art can be many things, like in fascist countries, dictatorships and monarchies, the arts in public places are often propaganda tools. I remember flying through the mid-east a few years ago, walking through the airport, with walls filled with decoration of the ruler's many good deeds, just before a political upheaval of his cart. The art of many cites is monuments to war, fools and the history of the dominate culture. Naked pictures of people seems pretty benign in comparison.

You can give free expression or dominate it with pictures of rulers and false pictures of reality, as a lie. You can lie by omitting the truth, like nude is not lude, it is a good healthy matter of fact and humanity.
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« Reply #722 on: February 01, 2018, 08:08:03 AM »
Why have mildly erotic nymphs been removed from a Manchester gallery? Is Picasso next?
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2018/jan/31/hylas-and-the-nymphs-jw--waterhouse-why-have-mildly-erotic-nymphs-been-removed-from-a-manchester-gallery-is-picasso-next?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Another instance of the art world getting the jitters about (female?) nudity. Is there a prudes backlash buildings?
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« Reply #723 on: February 01, 2018, 10:19:51 PM »

A case of Manchester Art Gallery being too up its own rectum of contemplation to see the ludicrous inanity of its 'right on' action.  The picture is not outstandingly problematic.  To remove it raises questions about stuff that just is not there. Late Victorian painting was full of soft porn for the gentry to feast their furtive, repressed Victorian eyes on.  Looked at with the modern eye we can see superb artistic creation with a strong flavour of repressed perversion.  So what.  There are some great artworks there.  The representation of beautiful women by the Pre-Raphaelites, of which Whitehouse was one, were extremely benign and bland compared with some of the works of the Academicist school who were basically obsessed by nudie young women and barefoot little girls.  Superb technicians all, but with today's eyes one cannot but conclude a pornographic and paedophilic eye that created many of these stunning pictures. Yet they were neither criticised nor ignored.  The Academicists such as Bouguereau, Gerome and Cabanel were, however, feted and successful with many students and buyers.  With our modern eyes was this right?  That debate ain't well served by preventing people seeing and discussing the works.


I'm tempted to go to Manchester and argue with them!!


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« Reply #724 on: February 02, 2018, 04:44:55 PM »
The Calgary nude swim is back on - just has to be in secret at “an undisclosed location”

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/skinny-dippers-rejoice-agreement-reached-to-resume-naked-swimming-events-at-calgary-pools-1.3785839
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« Reply #725 on: February 24, 2018, 02:46:43 AM »

A case of Manchester Art Gallery...
 ...That debate ain't well served by preventing people seeing and discussing the works.


I'm tempted to go to Manchester and argue with them!!


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Yea, and take a dozen others with you!!
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« Reply #726 on: February 24, 2018, 02:50:17 AM »
DF presented a copy of Alure Magazine, something that she had picked up in the airport. “Redefining Nude in 2018.”

!. Naked person:Def: An individual who doesn’t like wearing clothes.
Someone who reads the Sunday paper in the buff, cooks in the nude, occasionally shocks the mailman, and might as well donate all of their pajamas to Goodwill. The first to share a dressing room, they take a clothing optional approach to life whenever they can. 

2. Study in “Journal of Personality and Social Psychology,” 527 participants looked a pictues of people naked and clothed. They rated the naked people more capable of experiencing all kinds of feelings including pain, desire and pleasure. The same people clothed were viewed as more intelligent , BUT less in tune with their emotions….

3. People who love lounging around naked are more cultured, more cerebral, but not necessarily smarter. Journal of Personality and Individual Differences” survey of 765 participants. Seems the personalities are more open to new experiences, nonconformist, and unconventional. An erudite highbrow individual will fit into this.

4. Also the same study found that were more likely to buy organic and put Tabasco on your eggs.!!?!

5. The more often that you are naked in public places like a free beach, “the happier you are with your body, yourself, and your life overall. 850 surveyed (all types).

6. U of C Berkley’s Greater Good Science Center magazine, I shocks the system and makes you aware of yourself in your body.” (duh) “That can be so empowering.”

The mag goes on about 80% of people have stretch marks (live with it, tatoo, it, treat it a couple of ways), women who shave their heads, history of shaving the rest of the body, how to and getting naked at Esalen Institute on the California cliff coast.

Pretty good for us, all in all, from a women's culture/fashion rag.
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« Reply #727 on: February 24, 2018, 11:35:56 PM »
Say what you will but there is a double standard which in this case goes against the male sex. An exposed penis is seen as bad as an exposed gun. Both are deemed dangerous!

They are both dangerous.   In the wrong hands.   A trigger happy criminal,   and a sex predator.     They are both safe,   in the hands (and attached to the body)  of law abiding citizens.  But the silly fallacy that if one is seen it becomes dangerous becomes nonsense if carefully considered. 

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« Reply #728 on: February 27, 2018, 05:36:00 PM »
Naked man offends worshipers of Shiva, gets arrested. 

Somehow I find that contradictory to traditional worship of Shiva. 

https://www.hindustantimes.com/pune-news/doordarshan-official-arrested-for-sunbathing-nude-on-sinhagad-fort-in-pune/story-APaPXIc8LNCf5Hh80q82HK.html
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« Reply #729 on: February 27, 2018, 10:47:11 PM »
It all depends on the Shiva people. Some holy men are running around naked all the way to the Ganji. Some have a problem with naked shoulders and knees. It depends on where. This guy accosted by "15" people! He was doing it is a risky place, with weird people all around. In the NEWSPAPER?!!
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« Reply #730 on: February 28, 2018, 12:44:54 AM »

I'm getting tired of people's prurient crap and unease if anyone diverges even a tiny amount from the so called norms.  I wore clogs and no socks the other day and two people commented on how unusual and despite their feigned interest you could see they were uncomfortable with a man that was uninhibited enough to show his naked heels in public.  Its such crap.


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« Reply #731 on: February 28, 2018, 03:14:26 PM »

I'm getting tired of people's prurient crap and unease if anyone diverges even a tiny amount from the so called norms.  I wore clogs and no socks the other day and two people commented on how unusual and despite their feigned interest you could see they were uncomfortable with a man that was uninhibited enough to show his naked heels in public.  Its such crap.
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In Seattle they claim that wearing socks with sandals is unusual, strange, and a sign that Seattle people are weird. 

I quite wearing shoes entirely a few years ago.  Some people toss you out of their business for being barefoot.  They are happy seeing a man with flipflops and no sox. 

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« Reply #732 on: February 28, 2018, 06:57:26 PM »

Yes, Bob
It's so irrational.  How much more can the soles of one's feet, that have been walking on the street, contaminate the storekeeper's premises than someone's shoes that have been walking on the same surfaces?  I can think of one - that you may have athletes foot and spread it about (this assumes that others are barefoot too!).  But if you are barefoot most of the time you would tend not to have that ailment as it lives in the warm damp crevices of the shod, socked foot.


Free the sole I say!


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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #733 on: March 01, 2018, 05:28:32 PM »
I occasionally do wear shoes and recently had to buy larger new ones as my feet have returned to
normal after so many years of going barefoot and wearing sandals.

It was almost painful to put on the old pair.

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« Reply #734 on: March 01, 2018, 07:45:57 PM »
I occasionally do wear shoes and recently had to buy larger new ones as my feet have returned to
normal after so many years of going barefoot and wearing sandals.

It was almost painful to put on the old pair.

Duane
I suppose that you mean that your feet spread out, liberated from the squeeze of wrong, but fashionable shoes. I'm like quadruple E now. But my heel is the same size like a duck's. My feet are working better barefoot as never before. My body is adapting to a healthier model, aligned with barefoot mobility, but still I need more uneven places without prickers to exercise my feet.
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