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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #840 on: October 29, 2018, 03:41:04 AM »
He's OK as far as indecent exposure is concerned, but they'll get him for disorderly conduct. The claim will be that he was acting in "reckless disregard" of whether anyone was  harassed, annoyed, or alarmed. I don't see how he can deny that such annoyance or alarm was likely, and that he went around naked in public regardless.

But when someone is being openly nude in a public place, there's always the possibility that it's related to a mental health issue or some kind of drug-induced action. The police would have approached him with that in mind.

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« Reply #841 on: October 30, 2018, 12:27:10 AM »
Crazy? What he did wasn't crazy, ballsy heck yes, but crazy? It takes the crazies to do the sensible thing. Nudity is not a sure sign of mental confusion, instability, or pathological decline.

Did he do us any favors...dunno. Depends on how whoever took to the reporting of this simple act. Maybe, Bob's onto something and the law won't comment for fear of letting the cat out of the bag...or opening a can of worms for them.
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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #842 on: October 30, 2018, 05:39:26 PM »
He's OK as far as indecent exposure is concerned, but they'll get him for disorderly conduct. The claim will be that he was acting in "reckless disregard" of whether anyone was  harassed, annoyed, or alarmed. I don't see how he can deny that such annoyance or alarm was likely, and that he went around naked in public regardless.


The naked guy was the one who was being harassed and annoyed.  And so am I when I'm shopping.    When "they get him for disorderly conduct" its the cops who come to get him.  Its not the vegetable salesman or the baker.  Its the cops.


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« Reply #843 on: October 31, 2018, 07:06:04 AM »
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Its the cops

Except someone called the cops, so they have to bear some of the responsibility, itís not just the police.
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« Reply #844 on: October 31, 2018, 02:09:08 PM »
Except someone called the cops, so they have to bear some of the responsibility, itís not just the police.

If nobody calls the police go out looking for a citizen to control and rob.   Its how they see their job.  It is the cops, not the other citizen who choose to harass, and attack people minding our own business. 

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #845 on: December 31, 2018, 11:40:32 AM »
Note the comment from the police chief - I think he fits your profile of the cops, Bob:

https://www.milwaukeemag.com/milwaukees-nudist-bridge-parties-run-afoul-of-the-law/

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« Reply #846 on: December 31, 2018, 01:26:32 PM »
Each case needs to be taken on its merits by the Police as per the College of Policing guidelines in the UK.
For example a person is seen walking in the countryside in no way acting in a sexual or exhibitionism manner. The Police should advise the caller no action will be taken the naked person is a naturist and that is not unlawful. On the other hand if its a flasher or the behaviour is weird, e.g. man singing whilst naked up a lamppost the public and the Police may well consider the person is mentally ill and should turn out to investigate.

In this case I suspect the behaviour was not unlawful although a store will have a right to decide on dress codes in their premises. In the UK Tesco's got a bit upset with people turning up in their nightclothes. I don't support them, neither do I necessarily condemn. 

Our BN membership cards have a web address taking you to the agreed reaction to reports of naked people. You can read it at here We actually got to this position by working with the Police. Its a rare occurrence now that naturists have any real problems. We we do accept that our naked presence needs to be incremental, a constant pushing out of the boundaries rather than a sudden rush to be naked everywhere, which could and would be likely to promote a backlash. We are getting where we want to be slowly.

An example is The Gathering held annually in Dunoon. The fact we are in the town for a week is totally accepted and town people will ask if we are having a good time. Two members who handed in some found property to two patrolling officers where asked why they were not naked. Well this year in the same circumstance maybe we will be. Encounters in the local countryside are now common and there are no covers on the windows.   To have been so open during the event's first year would have been disastrous. The Dunoon event is a shining beacon on how to promote naturism and be accepted.

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #847 on: December 31, 2018, 03:06:27 PM »
Note the comment from the police chief - I think he fits your profile of the cops, Bob:

https://www.milwaukeemag.com/milwaukees-nudist-bridge-parties-run-afoul-of-the-law/

Interesting historic story. 

In the 1930s that story was "scandalous."   Police commented that they would break up nudist parties within city limits.  You may note that despite their interview opposition, the police never did bother to find and break up nudist parties.  Even in the 1930s they had better things to do.  Police today have many more important things to do than chase around in the woods looking for a naked person who may not even be breaking the law. 

In the 1990s we were renting the CITY owned and operated swimming pool for nudist club events after hours.  The city was participating rather than arresting indoor nudity.  They also provided city employee life guards during our nude swimming events.  It was a state where public indecency was defined as intent to cause sexual responses, and that doesn't include nudist club swimming parties.  Nor did it include nudist club hikes in the local woods. 

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #848 on: December 31, 2018, 05:03:43 PM »
Why Bob, whatever has happened to you in the 2 months between Oct 31 and December 31? A shift from demonic influence to the spirit of Christmas, maybe.

What I'd like to hear in the news from England would be stories about how beaches are just being enjoyed by naked people, and (preferably) anyone who sees it isn't getting upset over it--in fact they're tempted to do the same. Or if that doesn't happen, at least when the observers complain to the police, they're told that there's no law being broken and it's not a reason for any legal action. The state of the law there seems to make that entirely possible.

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #849 on: December 31, 2018, 06:15:21 PM »
What I'd like to hear in the news from England would be stories about how beaches are just being enjoyed by naked people, and (preferably) anyone who sees it isn't getting upset over it--in fact they're tempted to do the same.


Everyone getting along is "NOT NEWS" in the news business.   News is fights, killings, arrests, etc.  People enjoying a day at the beach and getting along with each other is "not news."

Maybe BN or someone could publish a report about the success of their agreement with police.   I'm not holding my breath for the tabloids to do so.   In fact, silence from tabloids is news in itself.  Nudists going naked are not being reported.   
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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #850 on: December 31, 2018, 07:53:40 PM »
If people are going naked on beaches (i.e. beaches not recognized as "nude beaches") and it's not news, that's excellent! But I think a story along the lines of "There are naked people on beaches and the police say it's OK" would appeal to the tabloid press. Of course, if it's men of mature age who are doing it, then it would merit less attention.

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« Reply #851 on: December 31, 2018, 10:07:34 PM »
One thing we have noticed is that some papers talking about naturism have done so in a more positive manner. Not all of them, and not all of the time but whereas before it all seemed giggles and attacks there is a more gentle and supportive note.

When papers do publish something stupid we do find naturists responding and defending and not letting them get away with it Scot free

As I've said we are making progress. We're not there yet but the cup is half full, not half empty.

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #852 on: January 01, 2019, 11:49:20 AM »
General discussion on another largly British forum would indicate that  naturist walkers are now less concerned about meeting the general public whilst nude. Many of us have made a concious decision  to not try to avoid meeting the clothed public as we have done in the past.   There's definitely been more accounts of encounters and    only the odd one or two negative reaction s.

I guess it's a progression from secret naturism to free-range.

The more relaxed attitude to being seen also overflows to holidays .  On our last visit to fuerteventura we both used the apartment balcony nude without worrying about being seen by anyone else.
I didn't even get ear ache for remaining on the sun lounger with just a book for cover when the maid turned up.😊


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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #853 on: January 01, 2019, 12:40:09 PM »
I have always maintained that the general public has mostly (important point) seen nudists in a neutral light, not necessarily positive but not necessarily negative, either. The general idea has been that nudists are harmless eccentrics, much like Civil War reenactors. But that doesn't mean there aren't a lot of people who abhor the idea of someone not wearing clothes in the presence of other people. These are probably the same people who hate Muslims and immigrants (any immigrants, except the president's wife). It's a threat to everything they've been told to believe, just like socialized medicine and anti-pollution laws.

It is even possible that attitudes are even more tolerant, maybe even accepting, of public nudity than they were 40 or 50 years ago. There are, in a few places, where public nudity events like body-painting festivals, the Bay to the Breakers run and so on, although it goes without saying that some still don't approve of stuff like that, no more than they do of body piercing and tattooing and homosexuality. There was even a time when mixed-race marriages were illegal, although I don't know who had the authority to say what race you were. 

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #854 on: January 01, 2019, 09:26:01 PM »
You often hear people reminiscing about the days when you could swim nude at the YMCA (or might be required to be nude, if you swam there). Here's a story about a guy who acted as if these days were like those days, reprinted in the Boston Globe from a local paper called the Greenwich Time. As often happens, the charge of public indecency will be hard to prove if he wasn't acting sexually in some way, but they can easily get him for disorderly conduct. One notes multiple references to children.

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2018/12/31/police-connecticut-man-swam-nude-at-ymca-pool-with-children-present


A Connecticut man allegedly swam nude in a YMCA pool with children present
Greenwich Time, 4:18 PM

GREENWICH, Conn. (AP) ó Police have charged a Connecticut man they say swam nude in a YMCA pool in front of children.

Police tell the Greenwich Time that 62-year-old James Sawyer was seen entering the pool without a bathing suit at the Greenwich Y on Friday morning.

He was asked to leave by staff and got out of the water in from of children.

He was gone by the time officers arrived, but was tracked down at his home in the Riverside section of town and charged with public indecency, breach of peace and risk of injury to a minor.

He was released on $240 bail pending a Jan. 11 court appearance.

A working phone number for Sawyer could not be found and it was not clear if he has a lawyer.