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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #990 on: August 15, 2019, 11:43:20 PM »
Sorry, for some reason that address won't function as a URL when you just click on it. It seems to be OK if you copy the text and paste it into a browser address bar. It starts off like this:

DSM-5 Category: Paraphilic Disorders
Introduction

The American Psychiatric Association (APA) classifies the condition of Exhibitionistic Disorder as a mental health illness that centers on a need to expose one’s genitals to other people. The audience of this type of behavior is usually unsuspecting strangers; the result is sexual satisfaction for the exhibitionist. Exhibitionistic Disorder is classified under the larger category of Paraphilic Disorders. The term paraphilia refers to an intense sexual interest outside of normal genital stimulation. The majority of exhibitionists are males; and those with the disorder may deliberately arrange to be observed while having sex with other people. The behavior may be deliberate or unconscious; and the disorder may begin to manifest in the late teens or early adulthood. The DSM-5 does indicate that although all people with exhibitionistic disorder have a pattern of sexual conduct called exhibitionism, not all exhibitionists qualify for this diagnosis (American Psychiatric Association, 2013). The DSM-5 clarifies and emphasizes that the definition for exhibitionistic disorder is separate from the definition for exhibitionism as a general pattern of behavior (Zucker, 2013).


Possibly the last couple of sentences could be confusing--"exhibitionistic disorder" as opposed to "exhibitionism as a general pattern of behavior". I'm not smart enough to sort that out.

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« Reply #991 on: August 16, 2019, 10:16:41 AM »
The last issue that I saw was DSM IV (TR) and these were still classified as disorders. I should clarify that this stuff is used by Psychiatrist as diagnosis and Psychologist also use it, because of the medical model that it supposes. It is used for billing and record keeping. It is driven strongly by insurance companies as a structure and validity as to billing.They want specifics for their bucks and prefer medical models. The exhibitionist and the voyeur are generally something of a forensic tool where somebody has already been busted for something and is in the legal works.

I have been scouring the web. We are now at the DSM V, which you refer to. There is a DSM V (R) a revised issue dealing with the controversy from the changes from the DSM IV changes to DSM V. I see no reference to the DSM VI out as of yet (maybe in 2020). So, I managed to find a revised pdf of the changes as of October 2017 and found nothing on any elimination of the disorders.

I was in a board meeting of the sweat alliance (TFSA) last spring and mentioned something about exhibitionism as we were reviewing a future "Code of Conduct." My psych Ph.D candidate spoke up and quite authoritatively corrected that the latest version had eliminated these two. I was stunned and relieved. Relieved because, one, I don't like classifying and two it is way subjective and complex a subject to not get conflicting and erroneous diagnosis from different people. Putting Jbee's inner rebel aside, I find no evidence that my friend is correct. Ph.D's are not infallible. They are often full of it, but he is a very bright young man in the thick of his career development.

So, at this point I'm certainly okay with what you have presented. My friend has since moved to Rode Island to pursue his research and do an internship. I'm going to get on him, even though I would be surprised to find that he was not just plain wrong. I'm thinking that his phone #changed and certainly, he isn't using his U of A email anymore. But I know who has been in contact.

That disorder vs. exhibitionism is pretty much as clear as mud, especially after one reads the DSM. One works for court better and one acknowledges that it is mostly hooey unless someone is really messed up with this kind of behavior. This is what I was referring to above. There can be misdiagnosis, labeling, confusing a therapist, wrong impressions read into someones behavior. I think it is dangerous. Not smart enough?! These are people that make a living, get in teams and write this stuff and they are not "smart" enough! They are arguing constantly about how they see the same thing. Just let me tell you about their BS IQ tests!

The best that I have found on the net is nearly 2 years old. He told me this just a few months ago. I suspect that those two years haven't changed such a controversial subject. I believe that I repeated some misinformation. Glad that you most likely corrected it.
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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #992 on: August 16, 2019, 04:43:48 PM »
I believe that men who say exhibitionism is harmless need to hear about it from a woman. As with a fair number of male behaviors, actually.


A lot of men complain about female behavior too.   Somehow behavior only becomes criminal when men do it.   I still see no harm in exhibitionism that rises to a level above being rude.  Nobody has ever been able to document someone suffering actual harm from seeing another member of his or her own species.  If such documentation exists, nobody has ever been able to point to it on the many time's I've asked on public forums.

I am not so condescending about women being too frail to see men.  Condescension is sometimes said to be the worst form of prejudice. Women are much stronger than fluffy flowers who fall into mush upon seeing a man.  Even when she cries, "Boo hoo, I'm a victim," no, she is not.

Reading the above link to DSM, the Shrinks say Exhibitionism is a form of "paraphilia" I had to look up a definition for paraphilia. 

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Paraphilia is the experience of intense sexual arousal to atypical objects, situations, fantasies, behaviors, or individuals. Such attraction may be labeled sexual fetishism. No consensus has been found for any precise border between unusual sexual interests and paraphilic ones.Wikipedia

The shrinks are not able to form a consensus regarding what sexual interest is unusual and what is not.  On its face it could be argued that gay or lesbian is Paraphilia, but of course all the gay, lesbian, and PC shrinks would object to that just because.  Far better to attack men who get sexually aroused around women.   

I still fail to see where any exhibitionism amounts to anything more than being rude.   Despite all the hysteria, I have never seen any documented evidence that anyone of either sex or any age has ever actually been harmed by seeing another member of his or her own species.  In general, its another way to hate men and punish men as criminals for emotion driven behavior.  All that hate is just wrong for a decent society. 
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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #993 on: August 16, 2019, 09:23:00 PM »
Amen. ;)

The DSM gets into exhibitionism, leaning into it as an example of the act of having sex so that others can see. It is all about sex.

Some get off on a perceived power trip, still a sex thing.

John P. Somewhere along the line a woman needs to stand up. Maybe just get vocal. Some allow victimization. Some get a chip on their shoulder and become overzealous. Some women are as the men's behaviors that are complained about and feel liberated because of it. There is a whole lot of not knowing. It is a general social issue and everyone needs to see themselves in it, not just demonize one side. I don't know if we are disagreeing or agreeing, by your quote here, but...well here ya go, Jbee's take.

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