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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #375 on: September 01, 2016, 09:03:14 PM »
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They interviewed several managers at nudist parks that have a vested interest in prohibiting nudity anywhere except hidden nudist resorts.  Free range nudism might put them out of business.

I suppose that would be like the differences among the varied kinds of camping. There's RV's, tents, bivy's all sorts for all the different interests. They would have to adapt to the changes. When we go camping we don't mind a place like KOA on occasion, but we prefer small, private or remote sites in national parks. No crowds.

I've been in camp grounds that sound like you never left your neighborhood. Very irritating. Same with the nudist facilities. People that prefer to free range would never go to a resort anyway. It's not business they would lose.

But if nudity was legal their business might pick up because of the folks that don't like roughing it. I'm sure it would balance out. Problems arise when one group tries to guarantee a business model through legislation. Also irritating.

JohnP, I also noticed the prevalence of young women. I guess you can't get away from the advertising. Young, good looking bodies still sell more soap.

It skews the image of naturism for all to one of, "we prefer you look good", so we don't put anyone off joining in. Not too many that look like me! I'll wager that low levels of participation are driven by many that believe they just aren't good looking enough. That too is irritating.

Man, so many things are irritating today! ;D

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #376 on: September 01, 2016, 10:23:00 PM »
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I've been in camp grounds that sound like you never left your neighborhood. Very irritating. Same with the nudist facilities. People that prefer to free range would never go to a resort anyway.
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This reminds me of the suburbia in a field syndrome which seems to affect many of the textile Caravan Club meets which I see where we live.
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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #377 on: September 01, 2016, 11:51:12 PM »
My wife's job takes her all over the west. After looking at the site about getting naked in Oregon, I decided to check if there was similar info on Washington.

Nothing as good as the Oregon one but some, in the process I ran across this article about Seattle nudists.

Being too aggressive can backfire on you so it would have to done with consideration.

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The nudist park lady is just the old guard. Many of those places and those people came about in the fifties and sixties and were quite a step, pioneers in a very repressive era. They are like her. This came home to me when DF and I visited Glenn Eden in California. It was all fenced off with coming encroaching sprawl. They were very afraid that people would wander off property and "offend" someone. As if locals could close them down so how. They of course don't want any hassles and want to be left alone in their cages. It is community owned, so some sort of a consensus, or vote, by all or maybe just the board want to protect their interest which includes the real-estate and memberships monetary value.

To me, it is kind of like complying, wearing a really big set of clothes. It also reeks of "There is something wrong or harmful about naked."

In the babe article, I was thinking that most of the shots were of the two roommates that were involved in the article.

Mark Story's group has had tremendous success since this article. His wife just retired from the parks, but the way.

The thing that alerted me, was that prof who said that the Supreme Court "recently" made a ruling. I see that the Washington Supreme Court did, but I know of no ruling on the ultimate Federal level. The common legal argument is that the government, based on a compelling need can curb behavior, even religious practice, based on a ruling that brought Utah into statehood in the 1800's and their common practice of polygamy. This has been carried into human animal sacrifice, peyote ritual, etc. No one can show a compelling State interest in suppression of nudity if it were to be tried and argued that way, and when part of a religious/spiritual practice. Nudity has to be integral to the religious/spiritual system. So I suspect that the guy can only speak in ignorance because if he isn't talking Washington State, he can only speak of previously tested cases in law. This case would be a discrimination, putting one religion over another. Maybe it is just sloppy reporting. Thsi article has no depth. Has anybody seen anything about the Federal Supreme Court ruling on nudity specifically? I'm working on something to do with that.
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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #378 on: September 02, 2016, 02:22:08 AM »
To me, it is kind of like complying, wearing a really big set of clothes. It also reeks of "There is something wrong or harmful about naked."

That's kind of how I feel about the big fenced in parks.  Its like a big cage, or big clothes.  Hiding ourselves from the sight of the world because there is something "wrong" with seeing our bodies.   Its hard to escape that message.

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No one can show a compelling State interest in suppression of nudity if it were to be tried and argued that way, and when part of a religious/spiritual practice. Nudity has to be integral to the religious/spiritual system.

There are few naked religious traditions that I know of other than some Wiccans.  And those don't go naked around the neighborhood --- although I have been naked in a Wiccan ceremony in the woods when a random family of textile hikers walked right through.  To go to court you would have to have a situation where people were arrested for being naked in public at a religious ceremony or something.  That is unlikely to happen.


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Has anybody seen anything about the Federal Supreme Court ruling on nudity specifically? I'm working on something to do with that.  Jbee

The US government doesn't have any laws on nudity one way or the other.  They often enforce state laws on federal government property in each state.  That would end up in a state court, not a federal court.  So the US Supreme Court is unlikely to get a case.

You perhaps could file a federal civil rights and freedom to control your body case in federal court, similar to the abortion case.  I don't think that has happened. 

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #379 on: September 02, 2016, 02:42:51 AM »
JBG, if you say it's true, I'll accept that Kathy Blanchard left the Seattle Parks Dept, but Mark Storey's name definitely has an 'e' in it. You've got the story right but the Storey wrong.

I'm pretty sure that the court case the professor mentioned was the Glen Theater decision of 1991. Not exactly "recent" when the article appeared in 2003, but more recent than it is now! That was an especially vile judgment that allowed the state of Indiana to prohibit a strip club from operating. I'm sure we'd all be happy to see businesses like that shut down (and with the Internet widely available, they're a lot less common now). But back then, the theater owners said that nude dancing was "expression" and therefore protected by the 1st Amendment, and the court agreed to a point, saying that they wouldn't accept a law that singled out strip clubs for prohibition. But they did accept the concept that a state's law could prohibit nudity under all circumstances, and that places like the Glen Theater would be covered under such a law, which was what the state was claiming. So the result was that a state could make sleazy sexually-oriented nudity for commercial purposes illegal, so long as they also made non-sexual nudity illegal! The only cheerful side of this was that other states didn't follow Indiana's example, but we got left with statements like "Nudity itself is not inherently expressive conduct", which might get used in other cases in the future.

Read it and weep:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnes_v._Glen_Theatre,_Inc.

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #380 on: September 02, 2016, 02:52:16 AM »
I don't see why naked dancing or commercial sex is so badly attacked by the Christian zealots.  Its a job.  Its consenting adults.  I've known dancers as friends and on-line friends who were prostitutes.  High pay, flexible hours, emotional satisfaction, they enjoyed the job.  Their on-the-job risk of death or serious injury is much less than a long list of men's jobs.  People are so terrified of bodies, and fearful that someone, somewhere, may be enjoying their life.

They call it a "Free country" but they own, control, and regulate every part of our lives.

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« Reply #381 on: September 02, 2016, 04:09:31 PM »
Christian zealots attack anything they perceive as a sin to hide the fact they are not really living a true Christian life. Much like the Pharisees and Scribes the idea is control of the flock by pointing out their sins and the sins of others. And don't forget to blame the gay people for any ills that befall the country such as terrorist attacks, floods, hurricanes or blizzards and moral decay. Your right Bob: someone may be enjoying themselves by being nude and that might lead to (gasp) sex! Oh, and think of the children? Please, give me a break; it's the same one's that complain about Sharia law but are trying to impose those same values on me.
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Re: Nudes in the news -- Great British Skinny Dip
« Reply #382 on: September 02, 2016, 04:17:14 PM »
I saw this article on the Great British Skinny Dip.

You brits probably already know about it.  Held in Somerset this year.  Here is the article.   Even a nude photo on their web page.  More naked exposure. 
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If you didn't manage to make it to the beach or your local pool over the Bank Holiday weekend, the Great British Skinny Dip could be just the thing you need.

Following the huge success of Nudefest - held in Somerset for the first time this year - British Naturism is encouraging Somerset residents to strip off and Dorset residents to disrobe over this weekend (September 2 to 4).

There are plenty of venues taking part in your area - so why not take the plunge and try nude swimming for the first time?

Read more at http://www.somersetlive.co.uk/great-british-skinny-dip-2016-everything-you-need-to-know/story-29675595-detail/story.html#GUHuWbtAOFASQbic.99


http://www.somersetlive.co.uk/great-british-skinny-dip-2016-everything-you-need-to-know/story-29675595-detail/story.html
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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #383 on: September 02, 2016, 06:54:07 PM »
What a great idea! We have always talked about safety in numbers when it comes to being naked outdoors. What better way to introduce people to naturism.

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What if I don't want to swim outdoors?
Don't worry - there are a number of indoor venues which are offering skinny dipping this weekend.
The closest such event to Yeovil is at Shaftesbury Oasis swimming pool in Shaftesbury near Gillingham. There will be a naked swim at the on Sunday (September 4) between 4pm and 6pm. There is a charge of 5 for this, and those taking part will be congregating at The Mitre Inn afterwards.

At least there is one motivation for going outside, you won't get tapped for 5 at the door!

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #384 on: September 02, 2016, 10:50:49 PM »
What a great idea! We have always talked about safety in numbers when it comes to being naked outdoors. What better way to introduce people to naturism.

At least there is one motivation for going outside, you won't get tapped for 5 at the door!

Duane


If I lived in the UK, I would be thinking of spending the weekend in Somerset, perhaps naked on the beach.

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #385 on: September 03, 2016, 04:44:39 AM »
These burkinis are not much different, maybe more clingy than the early swimwear going back to past 100 years ago. There was a liberalization of women being seen as too frail to swim (whenever that silliness began). Slowly, more skin was revealed. The culture changed, but we are still being influenced by the proper Victorian dress code and social oppression. It should be "don't expect me to cover up for your sake," but liberation isn't complete. I DO see that the body freedom should not end on the sand of the beach. Good for the beach, good elsewhere.
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The aggression against French women and French fashion is a lot worse than prior centuries, perhaps.  News today is about a woman being attacked on a French beach for not wearing breast cover. 

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/08/31/protests-planned-woman-assaulted-topless-french-beach/

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #386 on: September 03, 2016, 07:02:53 PM »
lovelly day in somerset  bob .... started raining about 10.30,  been p155ing down all afternoon.

i bought three mowers at auction this morning , theyre still in the van, still dont know if they actually run.

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #387 on: September 03, 2016, 10:07:28 PM »
These burkinis are not much different, maybe more clingy than the early swimwear going back to past 100 years ago. There was a liberalization of women being seen as too frail to swim (whenever that silliness began). Slowly, more skin was revealed. The culture changed, but we are still being influenced by the proper Victorian dress code and social oppression. It should be "don't expect me to cover up for your sake," but liberation isn't complete. I DO see that the body freedom should not end on the sand of the beach. Good for the beach, good elsewhere.
Jbee

The aggression against French women and French fashion is a lot worse than prior centuries, perhaps.  News today is about a woman being attacked on a French beach for not wearing breast cover. 

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/08/31/protests-planned-woman-assaulted-topless-french-beach/

I'm having trouble ciphering the contradictory info. Two people are sexually harassed, words, then both she and husband physically assaulted. The police come and these people who are disturbing the peace are told to get nude, or leave. Did something get confused during the translation of the incident? Are these people police shills?
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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #388 on: September 03, 2016, 11:15:09 PM »
This in from Daily Mail
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Mass naked brawl on French nudist beach after group of youths refused to strip off and stared at the unclothed sunbathers

    A nude brawl has erupted at La Teste-de-Buch, Arcachon, near Bordeaux
    It was triggered when 10 male teens entered nude zone clothed and stared
    Some of the beach goers started yelling at them to 'get nude or get lost'
    The brawl erupted and police attended. An investigation was ongoing


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3767659/Mass-naked-brawl-French-nudist-beach-group-youths-refused-strip-stared-unclothed-sunbathers.html#ixzz4JEIw4UvH
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« Reply #389 on: September 04, 2016, 01:17:24 AM »
This in from Daily Mail
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Mass naked brawl on French nudist beach after group of youths refused to strip off and stared at the unclothed sunbathers

    A nude brawl has erupted at La Teste-de-Buch, Arcachon, near Bordeaux
    It was triggered when 10 male teens entered nude zone clothed and stared
    Some of the beach goers started yelling at them to 'get nude or get lost'
    The brawl erupted and police attended. An investigation was ongoing


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3767659/Mass-naked-brawl-French-nudist-beach-group-youths-refused-strip-stared-unclothed-sunbathers.html#ixzz4JEIw4UvH
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