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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #480 on: February 06, 2017, 11:13:43 PM »
Public indecency is on the state law books. I suppose that that is what he was charged with. Someone had to be offended by it accordingly.
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There is a lot of controversy in the US lately about whether or not someone has a right not to be "offended" by the actions or speech of someone else.  A lot of liberals on college campuses are whining about being "offended" by what someone said, or a flag they saw.   A lot of conservatives have argued that nobody has a right not to be "offended" by what someone else is doing.  They argue that a more serious harm than "being offended" is the standard for law and order.  Many of the same conservatives complain that they are "offended" by seeing human beings. 

I hope it works out that being "offended" quits being someone else's responsibility.

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #481 on: February 07, 2017, 07:43:44 PM »
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First impressions, with all the executive orders Pres Trump is signing, are that he's aiming to run the government like a company CEO. Be interesting to see how that sits with the politicians who think THEY. are running things.
Hence one of the core advantages of the US Constitution, "Checks and Balances". That is the one most people are most uneasy about. Too many CEO's . . errr, sorry! . . Presidents, have run rough shod through the halls of congress with the abuse of executive orders.

I think it is appropriate that an old ship of the line in American history is named the "USS Constitution". Because of a battle in the War of 1812, it got it's nickname, "Old Ironsides", because shells bounced off the sides of the ship.

There have been many constitutional crises and that document has survived them all and it will survive many more.

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #482 on: February 07, 2017, 07:44:54 PM »
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I hope it works out that being "offended" quits being someone else's responsibility.
Thanks for that, Bob!
Sometimes stating the obvious is necessary.

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #483 on: February 07, 2017, 08:52:34 PM »
Not so good news from England. Usually the law there is fairly benign, but that really means you can get away with being naked occasionally in unpredictable places. If you do it repeatedly (like around your house) and the neighbors don't like it, you can get into some trouble there, same as anywhere. But note that there's no question of this being a sexual crime, more in the nature of someone being a pest.
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/malling/news/naked-carpenters-trial-to-start-119989/

I've got to cut some oneby T&G slats. Am I supposed to use a hand saw?

So I've never seen a belt with shoulder straps, nor and empty belt. SUch a poser.

Anyway, I'd like to know how this one turns out. People generally on that island have a notable cultural identity in attempts to be reasonable, from traditions of debate to court behavior.

I really liked Bob's comment, "I hope it works out that being "offended" quits being someone else's responsibility." I have to ponder what injecting "alarmed" into that sentence, like our state laws do, would make the same sense...how would a naked human being cause alarm? There is that "intent to cause" factor, too.

If you see th ecourt result, I'd like to know about it.

How can he afford the expense of a two day trail?
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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #484 on: February 08, 2017, 07:35:18 AM »

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/malling/news/naked-carpenter-cleared-120208/

He was cleared, but doesn't augur well for neighbourhood relationships, I fear

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #485 on: February 08, 2017, 07:56:54 AM »
Yea for the good guys! Justice is good to have.

As for the neighbors, maybe they will back off after the ruling and get over it.
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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #486 on: February 08, 2017, 03:44:21 PM »
Excellent result! And it's especially good to see that the judges gave a very reasoned judgment, recognizing that the neighbors were genuinely upset by the man being naked, but saying that in the end his rights were more important. I'm sure we don't like the idea of a conflict developing over public nudity, but if there has to be a fight, we want to win.

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« Reply #487 on: February 08, 2017, 03:49:58 PM »
It is indeed a good result. It seems that the CPS didn't follow their own advice. It is also apparent that the Behaviour Order imposed on Mr Jennings is an example of punishment without due process. The right to free expression has trumped prejudice for once. We need to be aware that this case was at a Magistrates Court and does not set a legal precedence. It also illustrates that no-one has a right not to be offended.

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #488 on: February 08, 2017, 03:59:10 PM »
Its sad that so many neighbors got so "offended" by seeing a member of their own species.  Its a form of misanthropy.  It is also sad that the magistrate had to find that being naked was "expression" and not just an acceptable choice of body covering or not.  He was excused only because he was in his own fenced garden. 

Its good to have  win.  Its sad to see the magistrates having to go around so many corners to end up with what should be a straight forward result. 
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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #489 on: February 08, 2017, 08:31:43 PM »
"Misanthropy!" Interesting definition. Kinda is.

This is hating a part of ones self. Anger at one self, at ones body. Something is wrong with ones self and must be covered up, confined and in shame. It is a shadow that is to fear and fight.

One man just exclaimed that it is "just wrong." He is displaying a socially ingrained sense of correctness, without any intellectual deliberation, merely accepting status quo without question. A more inflicted upon his humanity. He doesn't even know what he is doing, similar to an unconscious robotic that is programed.

How can a reasonable person be offended by their own body? Staying covered is enforced in law and social stigma and so these do harm. Being human is being in and accepting ones body, to be aware in it, to be of it, to not deny it, to love and experience it fully. It is amazing that such an occurrence takes place in law, in a neighborhood, or anywhere at all!

Reality is not found in clothing. Clothing creates illusion to the wearer and to the outside. It follows that the only way to escape illusion, is to stand naked in the world that the body springs from. One must not merely intellectualize, but experience fully the body as such. One cannot just imagine what it is like to go about the world naked, one must actually do it, meeting the shadows full force, knowing the gifts and be amazed by them. Otherwise one cannot fully understand what it is to be a human and being. Most of western humanity is only naked 10 or 15 minutes each day, maybe in a shower, if even that.

When people experience nudity in an accepting circumstance, they love it. That is universal because it is in our nature that the gift of a free body is so wonderfully alive. The naked body is the price of a ticket to a spiritual sense that may ground each of us in the moment, where illusions are unveiled and unlearned and comfort can be found in ones humanity. Any person who has experienced naturism knows this and then seeks for more. 

It's like a blind man telling me that I look ugly.

Public order is not to go so far as to diminish ones exercise of ones humanity. These laws are much more oppressive and imprisoning than most people understand.

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #490 on: February 08, 2017, 09:03:43 PM »
I agree with you, Bob.

The idea that someone, minding their own business in a manner that is within defined law, must be redefined as "free expression", is annoying. It implies an artistic aspect that does not exist.

Me walking nude to pick up the mail is not "free expression". It's a daily chore where, instead of choosing between long pants or shorts, I choose to not wear either. If I wish to conduct some form of free expression while pickin'-up-the-mail", that's different.

I am weary to the bone lately with all this PC, safe space, safe zone silliness that prohibits anyone from speaking honestly. Notice I said honesty, not truth! Those are two different concepts.

It's just a guy minding his business, fer cryin' out loud.

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #491 on: February 08, 2017, 09:49:05 PM »
Free expression doesn't always imply such as art. Just the natural goings about of your humanity and its relationship in the world as I explained just above. This can also be particularly spiritual expression.

I don't know fer sure which definition this was referring to.
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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #492 on: February 09, 2017, 08:34:51 PM »
The replies seem to trend a majority to support.

About the 10th or 11th reply has a link to a site about how nudity is a benefit.

Good result!

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #493 on: February 10, 2017, 05:34:49 PM »
The replies seem to trend a majority to support.

About the 10th or 11th reply has a link to a site about how nudity is a benefit.

Good result!

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #494 on: February 11, 2017, 02:30:14 PM »