Nudes in the news

[Greenbare Woods]

ESPN nude "BODY" issue 2017.   This kind of publicity is all good for acceptance of naked human bodies. 


http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/19742921/espn-body-issue-2017?utm_content=buffer55255&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer#!athletes_uswomensnationalhockeyteam

[John P]

No, no, no.  This kind of publicity is terrible for acceptance of naked human bodies. It sends the message that if you want to be naked, be female, young and shapely, exactly the kind of image that Hugh Hefner would be giving us. Can we really not get past that?

It's consistently notable that when it's a commercial operation, the babes are put on display, but when it's people using their own images to spread the naturist message, we're all middle-aged men. That's what we have to get past in order to achieve acceptance of naked human bodies.

[jbeegoode]

These aren't playboy material. They are not fashion model material. They are healthy and active bodies. They are confident enough to be displayed as they are. That's all good.

Now, some other bodies healthy and active would also be good, for balance and inclusiveness.

I like the two messages together. These gals aren't sculpted. They don't look that much different than many other women and even some of my older women friends, who take care of themselves generally. Better this than dressed up and painted into something completely artificial. The do have makeup and dyed hair.

I see it as a step in the right direction, but how DO we get older men and women who are healthy out there? And how do we get those less healthy out there? Getting less healthy is only half of the message. It is good nudity and body acceptance, but the message is unhealthy is good and normal, too. Well, we are as we are. How do we get those with the proud battle wounds of womanhood out there with their stretch marks and saggies?

Even on the internet, there are normal people sending in pics of themselves and mostly women, but they are all trying to look sexy, not just nude. At this point, we can't have it all, but at least being seen naked is getting to be a more acceptable norm, even when censored with arms and legs in a sports mag.
Jbee

[nuduke]

As I was saying elsewhere, we need a campaign.


Such positive presentation of nudity as the ESPN site is great.  I can't agree with JohnP.
It's all part of the journey.  These images of athletes with the body beautiful don't need to appear nude and they don't during their sport.  Therefore issue is there to display and appreciate the body athletic and usually therefore beautiful.  The fact is that we are emancipated enough to accept these images as non sexual and that they are there, at least in part, to celebrate that nudity is OK.. Thereby naturism has scored a point.


The old men's selfies and the portrayal of the normal not so perfect body are other aspects, equally valid, not exclusive of each other, John.


John

[jbeegoode]

Some of these athletic bodies are bizarre, having been tailored to their sport. The are unusual and not necessarily an ideal. The body builders don't get the girls as much as the regular guy. They do have a tool to get women to bed them. We all need to be seen in all of our different types.
Jbee

[eyesup]

I don’t see how laying down rules about who is allowed or excluded, what is allowed or excluded can be an advantage. That route leads to a committees that make arbitrary determinations. We approve of those people, but not them.

Everyone has a different view of what nudism/naturism means and each can be allowed. It’s a big tent.

In the spirit of Voltaire, who was reportedly to have said:
    “I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it.”
we can certainly all be nude for our own reasons without separating into different factions.

Duane

[John P]

It's true that the commercial marketplace does impose its rules, or at least people think it does, that customers will be attracted to the conventional "attractive" image of a young woman. Erotic elements can be added to the extent the market tolerates them, but it has to be a woman, or women, being shown. Notice how rarely women and men are shown together! That's because if there's a man in the picture, he's seen as being already in possession of the woman, destroying the idea that the consumer can step in and claim the prize.

That picture is the same old stuff it's always been. I truly wish that naturists would be more willing to point out which nude images fit into the standard pattern, and which ones (if we can find any!) are offering something different. Because isn't naturism supposed to be different from the textile outlook?

This is an area where we could really use some input from women, which I hope would push us toward a more inclusive style of imagery. But that doesn't seem likely.

[Greenbare Woods]

Arizona police state comes down hard on naked man shopping at Wal Mart.

Shame on the police.  That's totally unreasonable. 

Since when does someone else's butthurt, "offended" feelings, become a crime? 


AZ law:  "....and the defendant is reckless about whether the other person, as a reasonable person, would be offended or alarmed by the act."

The article says the man thought it would be funny.  Is that being reckless about offending people? 


http://www.newschannel5.com/news/national/tempe-police-naked-man-inside-wal-mart-arrested

[ric]

glad to see the media dont bother with proper english


"Officers located 49-year-old Robert Kanoff across the street completely naked, only wearing shoes. "





"completely naked apart from wearing shoes" would be correct.

the uk press is just as bad.

[jbeegoode]

Americans don't bother with proper English, even in print. That wouldn't be American, except in Academia.
Jbee

[eyesup]

What’s wrong with just saying, ‘wearing only a pair of shoes”? Saying one thing and then having to insert all sorts of qualifiers in order for it to make sense is just so much verbal baggage.

Police say Kanoff admitted to ingesting drugs earlier and said he was dropped off by two people who "thought it would be funny for him to be naked."

If he was dropped off naked by two people playing a joke, why the avalanche of charges?

Clearly, there is more to the story. As usual, there is something missing in the report.
I lament for the old days when facts were checked and verified before going to print/chirp/twerp or whatever it is passes for reporting these days.

I won’t even refer to it as journalism.

Duane

[Greenbare Woods]

"Officers located 49-year-old Robert Kanoff across the street completely naked, only wearing shoes. "

Doesn't sound like Mr. Kanoff was going around trying to offend people.  Just minding his own business. 

AZ law:  "....and the defendant is reckless about whether the other person, as a reasonable person, would be offended or alarmed by the act."


The AZ law does not outright ban public nudity.  It also has to have some "act" that a "reasonable person" would be offended by.   How is shopping with a choice of no clothes an offensive "act."  It sounds very ordinary to me.   Mr. Kanoff also finished his shopping and headed across the street before cops arrived.  Not an "act" of someone who is deliberately "acting" to offend anyone.

Bad arrest. 

[Peter S]

Unfortunately, the default stance of many non-naturists, particularly those in positions f authority, is that nakedness is "wrong"and "distressing", so it's assumed that someone in the vicinity will always be alarmed or offended. On that basis it must be assumed that some going naked would also know someone else would be offended and was therefore being reckless. QED. Or Catch 22

Peter

[Greenbare Woods]

Naked protester takes stand against skinny mannequins as she climbs in window of busy shopping centre

Wearing only a wig borrowed from one of the figures and a pair of socks, her stunt in Dorothy Perkins lasted about 15 minutes.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/naked-protester-takes-stand-against-10757437

Social media comments mostly applauded her and bashed cops for arresting her.  Media reported only negative comments. 

[Davie]

There may be more than meets the eye here. Note she was passed into the care of medical professionals. It sounds as if she was taken into care rather than being arrested. She did however have  point.

Davie