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« Reply #615 on: August 06, 2017, 12:02:03 AM »
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. . . I am aware of the 'in your face' culture that permeates NYC residents . . .
I heard it explained by the comedian David Brenner (of Philly) back in the Ď70ís once on Johnny Carson. He had just returned from doing his show in the south. The deep south. He was struck by the differences.

His explanation was:
In the south, you will walk up to the clerk in a store. Any store, and after they finish with the previous customer, they smile, focus 100% of their attention on you and say, ďGood morning! How may I help youĒ.

In New York, the clerk will finish up, glare at you as though you are the last person they wanted to see and say, ďSo, whadída ya want?Ē

He said it wasnít that they were angry it just was the way everyone is in NYC. I didnít see that when I was there, but I probably didnít go the places that David Brenner hung out.

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« Reply #616 on: August 06, 2017, 12:03:18 AM »
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She says it is for self preservation, but I explain that what changes a person cannot simultaneously preserve a self.
I have been out of Texas since 1986.  :(  I have managed to keep what I value of my upbringing and to see that many of my parochial experiences were just a starting point in life. Living in Houston started that. Back in the 70-80ís there people from all over the world there and I worked with many of them.

A willingness to see the point of view others is also a good skill to develop. But you have to know where your roots are oriented so you know which direction you are looking.

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But then, I am still in Texas.
But then as you know, Bliss is in Texas!  And New Mexico!  ;D

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« Reply #617 on: August 06, 2017, 12:04:09 AM »
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Unfortunately it's not practical to drive to the Canary Islands.
Au contraire mon fraire!

No waiting in line with the Panther and/or one of these, but there is the problem of buying gas en route. :D Maybe you could tow a tank of fuel. Itís only 1600 miles from Plymouth.

Iíve always wanted to buy a rail pass and travel from the west coast to Chicago in a sleeper. Take my time and spend as much time as I wanted  to wherever I stop. I know they have those nudecation flights so I wonder if the rail lines would do something similar.

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« Reply #618 on: August 06, 2017, 08:46:31 AM »
155k will buy a lot of plane tickets... just looking at popping over to southern spain to see the wifes brother in october..45 quid by easyjet and 66 to come back... thats morning flights.... could go cheaper but means arriving in the middle of the night.

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« Reply #619 on: August 07, 2017, 12:03:24 AM »

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i can honestly say ive never been into the city centre


Amazing, Ric.  There must be few people in our great nation as rural as you!  In fact only 2 others!
It's sort of attractive and becoming that you neither yearn for or feel the need to use the cities round about.  As one who was brought up in a city and lived in cities all my life (London being one) up to 2 years ago, I can't quite see how one can do without them for certain things and to visit them for entertainment and culture is good. But as commented earlier cities are a bit of a chore to live in.


I heartily agree with Bob:
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Airlines treat people like shit.   ....abysmal abusive service.
  Going on holiday and returning is always horrible because of the need to use an airline.


The other observation I drew from the discussion about New York versus the places you live was that from your posts one can see that the USA is by no means homogenous.  We Brits, from TV etc get rather an impression that Americans and their environs are less variable than the reality. You guys live almost in different countries to all intents and purposes, tied together by McDonalds, Aerosol cheese, Hershey Bars and Walmart!


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« Reply #620 on: August 07, 2017, 06:46:32 PM »
Those distinctions are slowly fading. Someone once told me I didnít sound like I was from Texas. I wasnít sure how to respond because I am from Texas. I like going from region to region when traveling and seeing how we differ. Regional accents are disappearing but I prefer variety, especially when the current lingua franca is so chock full of acronyms and abbreviations.

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. . . tied together by McDonalds, Aerosol cheese, Hershey Bars and Walmart!
Iím sorry but I stand outside your list of commonalities (with one exception).

McDonalds - never unless itís an emergency (but never Joke In-The Box)
Aerosol cheese - only if Iíve run out of adhesive
Hershey Bars - the only one I will cop to (chocolate is one of the food groups? Riiiight?  ;D)
Walmart - only if I cannot, and I mean cannot, find what I want anywhere else

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« Reply #621 on: August 07, 2017, 06:49:30 PM »
I heartily agree with Bob:
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Airlines treat people like shit.   ....abysmal abusive service.
  Going on holiday and returning is always horrible because of the need to use an airline.

John

So, John, I guess you and Bob wonít be opening that travel agency? ;D
The promotional challenges for the ad agency would be just too steep!

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« Reply #622 on: August 08, 2017, 08:17:20 AM »
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. . . but there are soo many obnoxious personalities perverted by the culture there.
Iíve known some REAL jerks from Texas! But maybe you are on to something if you look at it as a per capita of jerks per 1000 people. Iíve been to destination resorts and when encountering New Yorkers I would agree, but I also have friends here from there that are normal as me.

Errr . . ., wait, I go hiking naked out in the middle of the desert. Hmmmm!

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Is it weird to go hiking in the desert? If doing such a weird thing, then not doing it nude to handle the heat is the very weird thing.

JUs' spent two days roaming Redington Pass. Naked is the only way. But I did see how a wet sundress will put a chill on at 101F degrees.
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« Reply #623 on: August 08, 2017, 08:30:11 AM »


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. . . tied together by McDonalds, Aerosol cheese, Hershey Bars and Walmart!
Iím sorry but I stand outside your list of commonalities (with one exception).

McDonalds - never unless itís an emergency (but never Joke In-The Box)
Aerosol cheese - only if Iíve run out of adhesive
Hershey Bars - the only one I will cop to (chocolate is one of the food groups? Riiiight?  ;D)
Walmart - only if I cannot, and I mean cannot, find what I want anywhere else

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My choices, too. But that DF goes to Trader Joe's for dark chocolate and I nibble on hers.

The big boxes have taken over. There are so few entities controlling, a handful, what we have to buy, to eat, to read and to watch. It is all very much controlled for many millions. There are millions of us that reject these traps and abuses, however.
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« Reply #624 on: August 10, 2017, 05:54:37 AM »
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Is it weird to go hiking in the desert? If doing such a weird thing, then not doing it nude to handle the heat is the very weird thing.
Maybe I should have completed the sentence by saying, ďTheyíre the ones not normalĒ! (for not hiking naked)

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« Reply #625 on: August 10, 2017, 05:55:20 AM »
Dark chocolate is actually good for you. It doesnít have all the sugar in it and itís loaded with antioxidants, which are good in the right proportion. Seeee! ;D

We prefer to look for and frequent local eateries. They have more fresh made food than the warehouse food served in national chains. And the food tastes better.

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« Reply #626 on: August 10, 2017, 10:53:31 AM »
Dark 70% something chocolate may have anti-oxidants, etc., but man does that stuff rot my teeth.
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« Reply #627 on: August 10, 2017, 07:16:26 PM »
Los Vegas PD kills naked man.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/naked-man-shot-back-police/

Las Vegas, NV ó A graphic body camera video was just released showing a Las Vegas Police Officer shoot a naked man in the back outside of a church last weekend. Police say they were left with no other options after their K9 attacked an officer instead of the naked man.

According to police, 25-year-old Jason David Funke was threatening to kill himself in front of Life Springs Christian Church last Saturday. Funke was armed, however, according to police, he complied with officer commands to drop his gun, raise his hands, and walk toward police.

As he was complying, Funke did as he was instructed and walked toward a group of officers ó naked with his hands up. When Funke got within ten feet of the officers, instead of walking up to the clearly unarmed and surrendering man, police attempted to sic the K9 on him.

Instead of immediately going after Funke, however, the dog bit the officerís belt which appeared to startle Funke, causing him to turn and run instead of getting on the ground like officers were demanding.

At this point, officer Mark Hatten fired one round with a rifle into the back of Funke, dropping him immediately. Funke was over 20 feet from the gun.
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« Reply #628 on: August 14, 2017, 08:37:41 PM »
It's true that the commercial marketplace does impose its rules, or at least people think it does, that customers will be attracted to the conventional "attractive" image of a young woman. Erotic elements can be added to the extent the market tolerates them, but it has to be a woman, or women, being shown. Notice how rarely women and men are shown together! That's because if there's a man in the picture, he's seen as being already in possession of the woman, destroying the idea that the consumer can step in and claim the prize.

That picture is the same old stuff it's always been. I truly wish that naturists would be more willing to point out which nude images fit into the standard pattern, and which ones (if we can find any!) are offering something different. Because isn't naturism supposed to be different from the textile outlook?

This is an area where we could really use some input from women, which I hope would push us toward a more inclusive style of imagery. But that doesn't seem likely.

I know these replies are for an old post. I found these in my directory and had neglected to post them.

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It's true that the commercial marketplace does impose its rules, or at least people think it does, that customers will be attracted to the conventional "attractive" image of a young woman. Erotic elements can be added to the extent the market tolerates them, but it has to be a woman, or women, being shown. Notice how rarely women and men are shown together! That's because if there's a man in the picture, he's seen as being already in possession of the woman, destroying the idea that the consumer can step in and claim the prize.
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If the image of an everyday man or woman would sell the product, thatís what would get used. Itís about advertising. I hear the comment about how this or that group are manipulating the market. Thatís what sales is, to get more people to choose your product. If using sexy images does the trick, thatís what gets used. It doesnít have anything to do with the sexy looking person. It has to do with whatís going on in the head of the buyer.

John, I donít disagree with anything you say about the sexy images of women, or men for that matter. But sexy images of men are also used to manipulate the women. Since men control a larger percentage of the wealth, for now, you are going to see more sexy women images. Itís all about whatís going on in the head of the person whoís buying.

My wife was in sales, as a seller, a sales manager and a market manager. She was/is VERY good at it. She was constantly at or near the top of her companyís performance rankings. She always says a good salesman 1st has to find out what the buyer wants, and then find a way to give them what they want at a price they are willing to bear. I always found this to be bothersome because she knows a truth about people. You can manipulate them if you know what they want. Itís sort of disturbing and annoying. But thatís just the way the market works!

All this talk about which images are good or bad doesnít seem important as long as the brain of the buyer remains stuck in a stereotype that Madison Ave. understands all too well. Referring to the man-woman relations implied by the images you see in advertising. Whatís going on in the brain is where the problem is, not the images. The images are merely a reflection.

Thatís a tougher nut to crack. Change that and the market will spin differently.
Cross fingers, click heels!

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« Reply #629 on: August 14, 2017, 08:38:21 PM »
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That picture is the same old stuff it's always been. I truly wish that naturists would be more willing to point out which nude images fit into the standard pattern, and which ones (if we can find any!) are offering something different. Because isn't naturism supposed to be different from the textile outlook?

The stock images of the svelte men and women can be replaced, but as long as the mindset remains the same, all your doing is a dog and pony show. Itís nothing more than a sales pitch.

And the new images we prefer cannot be provided as long as those images are illegal, whether paper or realtime. Unfortunately sexy and erotic advertising is accepted and isnít likely to change anytime soon.
The stereotypes are firmly in place.

Naturism should not be presented merely as a look. An appearance. Anyone genuinely naturist will prefer to be naked, but sometimes isnít for legal or practical reasons. Itís like being a professional sports figure. They donít go around dressed in their particular sport uniform. Sometimes they dress differently for equally valid reasons.

But I agree that, in general, most people do not think naturist when they see casual nudity. They think what they have been taught to think. Sex and eroticism. But, if the norm were everyday people in all of the advertising, the art purists would be complaining that we see no renderings of the ideal.

Itís a heavy boulder to push up the hill!

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