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Re: A Thread of Clothing
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2015, 09:54:54 AM »
My thoughts too - gladothers think thesa,e

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« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2015, 05:17:28 PM »
Constant evolution of life both carbon based and cyber! I have also resisted the urge to upgrade to anything but what I am used to because in my advanced age the mind does not seem to comprehend as it once has. One of the fears of retirement was that I would become lazy and not keep up with things and in a few areas it has happened. Also it was a forced retirement so there was no real planning ahead; except for the travel part and finances. And I think along the same lines; wait till the bugs are worked out.

I have worn my kilt many times. Quite often to a pub like restaurant near one of our favorite camping places where I fit right in with the staff that wears similar attire. I haven't done Valentines Day yet Ian but there have been a few occasions and my misses is much like yours as she seems to enjoy my eccentricities. A few nights ago Mrs. Walker had a severe case of what may have been a dermatitis so quick cover and a early morning run to the only 24 hour store (Wal Mart) for some anti itch crème. Not wanting to waste time I just put on a kilt and a hoodie, grabbed car keys and wallet and off I went. I fit right in with the late night crowd as it seemed that all those characters that are in the "people of Wal Mart" videos were there. So if you ever see a kilted man wearing a blue hoodie with the wild man of Borneo hair sticking out of a ball cap it's me. Oh, and I did have a few stop me to ask where they could find a kilt.

After I returned and the misses got relief we had a discussion as to why I would rather wear a kilt than pants. She said most women she knows would rather wear pants that way they don't have to worry about exposure. Which lead to more such as the different styles worn such as the board shorts men wear at the beach, some of the outfits worn at the AMA's, and ending at dawn with will nudity ever be accepted? So with our sleep schedule thrown off we started the day with a promise of an afternoon nap if needed.
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Re: A Thread of Clothing
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2015, 05:53:20 PM »
Window Dressing? I suppose that we are on topic. My son tells me that Widow10 is rigged to accommodate hand held contraptions and not a PC. It doesn't work as well with a PC. One size fits all when two systems would improve PC and those others. The thrust is little portable boxes, not serious communication and creativity, so PC is in the back seat.  I have a tablet with a 365, which is like a 10 and I absolutely don't want that on my PC.

It is a grand hijacking scam, to steal my personal stuff and direct my life to someones profit. There is less freedom. AND it eats up space.

Its like Vibram destroying the toe shoes by taking the adjustable strap off. For me it is like trying to jog with clogs on, but it fits lots of people whose feet are used to shoes, which are bad for feet and health. It is ONLY about profit and don't get in their way.
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Re: A Thread of Clothing
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2015, 10:16:59 PM »
Window Dressing? I suppose that we are on topic. My son tells me that Widow10 is rigged to accommodate hand held contraptions and not a PC. It doesn't work as well with a PC. One size fits all when two systems would improve PC and those others. The thrust is little portable boxes, not serious communication and creativity, so PC is in the back seat.  I have a tablet with a 365, which is like a 10 and I absolutely don't want that on my PC.

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Re: A Thread of Clothing
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2015, 08:27:55 AM »
While we're on thread wander:
During my working life as an IT manager one of my mantras was "trailing edge technology" as the only way to deliver reliable corporate systems.
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« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2015, 07:33:16 PM »
When I joined tech support for a certain large railway organisation just before the turn of the century I was initially astonished to see they were still using Windows 3 (not 3.1, Windows 3). But on reflection I realised that, to a large degree, this was sensible. With 10,000 desktops in the business it would be no small matter to upgrade - cost, re-equipment, retraining, rewriting tailored software packages, etc. And some specialised software even predated Windows 3 but was running within it quite happily.

What was there did the job that was asked of it, so why change just because Microsoft had changed?

But in the end, they had to change because of outside forces - other (smaller) businesses with whom they interfaced were upgrading and it was getting difficult to maintain the interface. New software packages were needed that couldn't run on the old operating system, so departments were starting to fragment away from the mainstream, making internal interfacing difficult.

Worst of all any new hardware bought in had to be effectively crippled to be able to run the old OS.

Now outside of that corporate environment then, like Bob, I'm still happy with my Vista PC, which does all I need it to. The internet these days provides the interface between different systems as far as I'm concerned, so for the moment I see no need to go to the trouble and expense of a regrade until I see smoke coming out the back of the machine

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« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2015, 05:50:15 PM »
Yesterday was Thanksgiving, Turkey Day, a time fro family, friends, gratitude and dressing up. We drove down to Patagonia, Arizona to the Tree of Life for the special raw d foods Thanksgiving potluck feast. It was wonderful. Friends decided to find the Arizona Trail. We went the opposite way to see what was there and found the trailhead for the trail that crosses Arizona from north to south, a host of ghost towns, heavenly country that may be a good potential for a warm less cold breezey day. We weren't dressed in practical footwear for a hike.

By the time that we hit Sonoita, my pants were riding up, my...arrgh the discomfort of clothing! Yet, it was only a half hour of country driving to DF's daughter's for a family thing. It just seemed best to grin and bear it, rather than bare it. Rumbling a with little rascals takes the focus of clothing away. I was honored and  given the title of "Grandpa" on this day! My heart soars.

Back to topic, these various threads of cloth. We decided to do a Puja, an Indian ritual of gratitude upon return that evening. After being bundled up all day the liberation from pants was...wonderful. It felt wonderful. It felt healthier my crotch no longer bundled up, my skin breathing all over, the...you know what I'm trying to express?

We gathered began to list and thank, and there came an understanding, as I lay on the floor. It felt so perfect and wonderful naked. There was a particular gratitude for so much naked time, the daily occurrence of its joy and learning something new by it. We stretched and danced, my body comfortable after weeks of restrictions to its movement. Gratitude for body liberation. When it is taken away, even for a short time, it feels that much better to disrobe.
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Re: A Thread of Clothing
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2015, 08:42:08 PM »
Ah yes, turkey day! Mostly family both in-laws and out-laws for a great, although textile, celebration of thanksgiving for the bounty we have. I guess our obesity rate says it all; West Virginia ranks in the top two states in almost any survey. The next day I opted to follow REI's go outside promotion. Instead of being open on Black Friday to the throngs and masses they encouraged their customers to get outside. With a need to exercise some of the food away plus the need for some naked time away from company the woods in our local park was the perfect escape. It's off limits to hunters plus the regulars must have been full of turkey and watching football or shopping. What a sunny day in 60F+ weather and just a hint of wind.

So in the grand scheme of things; yes, I'm happy to be alive. I am thankful for a few doctors that went against medical convention and put the misses in good health. With all that has happened in the world lately I refuse to live in fear and worry.

And Jbee, being called "Grandpa" is uplifting! My heart soars in unison with yours.
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Re: A Thread of Clothing
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2015, 12:39:41 AM »
Sorry, this is a thread of clothing not PCs but I do feel motivated to add the following:

Whilst generally I agree with JOhn (GW) about trailing edge i.e. tried and trusted, tech, I have in fact earlier than would be my normal practice, now upgraded all my kit relatively painlessly to Win10 and office 16 and the only somewhat buggy bit is microsoft Edge - the new browser.  I had awful bother with win 8.1 on my PC - whenever it updated I would have to roll back as some very evident awful problem would arise.  So Win10 has come as an improvement and so far Win10, which doesn't let you hold back updates, has been OK in operation.  Now that I have reported that some 'orrible problem will pop up!!!  Sod's law that.

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« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2016, 04:37:51 PM »
I thought of something the other day on a hike.

I generally wear my Keen sandals on my day hikes, clothed or otherwise. They're comfortable, don't squeeze my feet and since I only wear socks if absolutely necessary, they allow my feet to stay dry and cool(er). This is a hot desert.

The terrain I was on is not flat and a prepared trail non-existent. So I was constantly moving across uneven and slippery (with sand and grit) surfaces. When walking in a wash there is usually either sand or gravel. There is always a jumbled pile of rocks or boulders every 40-50 yards. Rocks and pebbles along the way make for a movable, in my experience, landscape.

All of this is to say that I wondered on more than one occasion when I stepped on, what looked like a reasonably stable rock or surface, if I might be risking an injured ankle for not wearing a high top boot for support.

I never had an injury like that even when wearing hiking boots. I do wear heavier boots with proper ankle support when on a backpacking trip because of the extra weight. That is not a normal load for my feet so I make sure I provide more support.

But on a day hike, just sandals seems to be a benefit because it allows the natural movement of the joints and muscles to strengthen so the chance of an injury is reduced.

Just a thought that came to mind on a hike where my brain was operating in auto mode and I guess working in the background. Which could be dangerous in some situations.

Thoughts, comments or other? No laughing (out loud) please.

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« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2016, 05:41:18 PM »
Much of my footwear decisions depend on where my activity is going to take place. In an area that is not well known hiking boots are the covering of choice as much like you there is a comfort of ankle support plus protection in unknown territory. If I am familiar with the trail sandals without socks or sometime even slide on footwear. In Florida and last fall it was barefoot all over! On the sand or cushions of fallen leaves was defiantly the way to go.
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« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2016, 06:15:05 PM »
I can't argue with either of the last 2 contributions.  Unfortunately for us, whilst many locations allow complete bodily nakedness, the feet are at special risk and so footwear is needed.  I agree with JOhn, make the choice for the terrain and would add, select as minimal as one can.

I have found that hiking over the fields in the last few months needs fairly stout boots/walking shoes.  The ground is often boggy, spread liberally with the dung of farm animals or rough enough to be at high risk of cuts and painful stones.  The meadows round here are not the idyllic swards of the romantic, rural bucolic poets!

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« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2016, 05:26:40 PM »
I would not wear sandals in a bog either, John. Especially is it has that kind of fertilizer. Shoes and/or boots are needed in some instances. In my case, on a day hike, the landscape did not demand boots.

Rough surfaces, sharp rocks and prickly plants prohibit bare feet. Sandals though are sufficient for protection of the soles of my feet but offer no support when I step on a rock or boulder that rotates when my full weight is on it.

I haven't had an issue with that as yet. I honestly believe that my ankles and calf muscles are in better shape for not wearing boots. Don't know, though if I'm deluding myself.  :P

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« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2016, 05:25:20 AM »
I used to wear work boots all the time,  thought I needed the protection, but I didn't like the hot feet in summer.   But as time passes I've drifted to wearing less,  and find that I can get away with it pretty easy, even while logging and firewood processing,  although risk of injury is higher I'm sure.    Keeps my feet cooler, more comfortable.  I also didn't used to have a problem with athletes foot,  but then it arrived,   so lighter footwear that breathes makes much lower incidence of the bacteria getting started.        I like Teva sandal/shoes,  but they aren't cheap.   I got one pair from a discount overstock and factory reject store.    The outer souls refused to stay on but I use them a lot anyway.     Thinking of getting another pair in time.    It may be the ones i have that won't keep their souls are factory rejects for that reason.  Without the outer souls they are smooth bottom,   slip on slick mud easy,  but cling to rocks and are fine everywhere else.

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« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2016, 06:38:04 AM »
The kind of shoe that I wear graduates when hiking. Barefoot when possible, then my KSO five finger shoes that were designed for boating. They give just enough protection from the sharp and prickly, but only to a point. They are as close to barefoot movement, as I have found, but they can only to a degree give barefoot sensation. The next graduation is my thicker fivefingers with extra grip soles. The five finger shoes are close to barefoot, but not barefoot at all. DF wears KSO's in all circumstance. The condition of the feet and the weight on them does make a difference.

The condition of the feet and the weight on them does make a difference for modern man. This is one reason that I use ultralight (UL) and SUL. I can be closer to balance, not top heavy, less waist sway, my feet and ankles can perform more naturally. I figure and I'm discovering more and more, the subtle ways that the feet, ankles, legs, back, the whole system perform. The need for ankle support is fiction and cripples the body's ways and will cripple it literally in time, training it in harmful inefficient, unnatural habits.

As for bacterial growth, I wear socks that wick, sometimes two layers are efficient. The cloth overage of five fingers shoes breathes well, and dries well. The socks make a huge difference and cushion the feet and prevent the rubbing of feet towards raw. 

Barefoot as often as possible, during breaks, in camp, I make a point of baring my feet, just as I recognize the benefit of baring my body as often as possible at every opportunity.

Just keeping in touch, beinging as aware as possible of a natural nude body, answers all of the questions about containment of a body in shoes and all other clothing. I have spent countless hours in meditation walking on uneven, natural rock faces, climbing bare all over. Mostly in Redington Pass or the slab of granite outside my front door. I take apart each step, slowing consciousness to the moment, to a point of washing away thought, and only be in awareness of the sensation's moment. I experience each step fully, slow motion sometimes, sometimes just watching the body do its automatic thing in hours of exploration. A very Zen process. The body in all movement is incredibly complex, adaptable, fascinating and it teaches that it has unimagined wisdom. Boots and ankle support are obviously man's ignorant compensation, maybe a temporary solution for a body that isn't being properly used and exercised. They cripple and damage the entire system, often dramatically in time. I suggest finding a nice granite surface in the desert, stripping barefoot all over and spending an hour just hiking in that space, observing the interaction of the body with the world. It is as wonderful as a long hike and the answers to all of your concerns will be evident, as you have a great time. NOT five minutes, or ten, but an HOUR.

When you are done, and as you tire, you will notice the wear on the system, the sore body areas, and then relate this to the movements and stretches that you experienced. It all becomes very evident, but difficult to explain in words, because of the fantastic complexity of the system. Eyesup, it is just stepping out of the old school completely for a little while and looking at the matter in a fresh way. Then comparing notes. It is better to trust ones nature, you know, as a naturist.
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