Game/Trail Cameras

[nudewalker]

The problem Jbee is two fold. Yes, the deer are moving because it is mating season. That added to the semi urban setting here the deer seem to know that the houses offer protection from the hunters plus an ample food supply with all the ornamental shrubbery. Throw in a few speeding vehicles with the loss of footing by the deer on paved surfaces it could spell disaster. The insurance companies sometime publish figures as to the amount of money the collisions cost and if they do I will place an addendum here. If my memory is correct I think the state of Ohio leads the nation in such accidents.

[HairlessNude]

Game cameras are not at all uncommon around here,  but I keep an eye out for them when I'm in the woods.

As far as vehicle/deer collisions, this area is really bad this time of year. People don't so much ask if you've ever hit a deer. Instead they ask how many deer have you hit? I got three myself, just last fall. Two with my work trucks & one with my pickup truck. I have kind of lost track, but think my total deer road kill count is 13 or 14 now.

This is in the northeast PA/upstate NY area.

[nudewalker]

My Facebook has exploded with pictures of deer taken this first few days of bow season. So things are in full swing here but I haven't heard any reports of any deer/vehicle collisions yet but I'm sure they'll be posted soon. A few years ago we had a number of malnourished deer around until they opened up some areas for bow hunting only, with completion of a hunting course and a special permit. Without any natural predators the population exploded making it a real challenge to drive at night. In fact one time I had to chase them off our driveway so the misses could get to work!

Anyway, since I can't go to the wildlife areas anymore I thought I'd share some pictures taken a few months ago. Now to see if any game camera pictures show up on the internet.

[nudewalker]

The first person I thought of was Bob as it seems he has the home area on which to do this however to relate a story read elsewhere. There is a couple that own quite a lot of acreage and they like to walk it nude when the weather permits. On one occasion they noticed a game camera mounted on the neighbors property aimed at their land. When asked to realign it the neighbor replied that their children liked to see the wildlife pictures and no they were not going to change it. It has begun a discussion of the legalities and the couple being spied upon must be snowbirds as they are going to check their legal standing in the spring. Myself, I'd go about business as usual and let things fall where they may. I feel it would fall more into an invasion of privacy thing if the camera were set up to catch them in the act of being naked. It was stated that the tract of land in question is seven acres and that it would be cost prohibitive to build a fence for privacy. If there is a resolution or if anyone has comments as we are currently looking at a five acre plot and I have much the same intentions.

[JOhnGw]

Does it really matter if they see you naked on the recording? My thoughts are that there is no difference between seeing you naked and seeing you clothed so it is simply whether there is any presumption of privacy involved.

[Greenbare Woods]

On one occasion they noticed a game camera mounted on the neighbors property aimed at their land.

My land is all visible from one or the other of my neighbors' lands.   When I'm out walking the land naked all summer I occasionally have encountered neighbors out walking their lands.  I can also be seen from a couple of neighbor's houses if they happen to be looking out the window at the time I walk past. 

Seems to me that the above story about the game camera on the neighbor's property is not much different from a neighbor seeing him from the neighbor's property.   If one is going to be out naked within sight of someone else's home or property then you are allowing yourself to be seen naked.  In my way of thinking that is a plus, to allow the neighbors an opportunity to see real human beings for a change.  I often walk where I might be seen and not be arrested.   

If I found that someone put their camera on my land then I would get excited.  This is all speculation because while I have been seen by neighbors, I have not noticed any cameras. 

[John P]

I do believe I know the origin of the story about the couple with "quite a lot of acreage"!

If they don't mind the neighbors seeing them, I doubt if they'd be in any danger of prosecution in any U.S. state. It might not be legal to be seen naked by "the naked eye" so to speak, but being in view of someone's camera puts you in a more remote position, where it's more likely a case of being a victim of another person's intrusion.

[Peter S]

Interesting case, of neighbours watching one's land by camera. As Bob says, it's no different from being seen with the naked eye, but ... If the neighbour's naked eye is present one can choose to interact or not with said neighbour. But the camera is presumably watching even if the neighbour is out of the country, and /or may be on motion-detect (for the wildlife) so is recording one without human intervention and any interaction is one-sided.

The neighbour's assertion it was for the children to see the wildlife adds another dimension, our old friend the "what about the children" cry. Children watch the camera footage and see naked grown-ups. Parents then complain their children have been despoiled. Officious law officers take the parents' side, and only after a long and expensive court battle does the right to privacy (with luck) win out over the "protection" of the minors.

peter

[nudewalker]

I went back and reread the post from another forum. In it he stated that if the neighbor saw nude pictures he would contact the authorities. Personally I feel that this could be more of a high tech peeping Tom case however as pjcomp pointed out it could be a long and expensive court battle. I will be interested to see how this resolves itself when the home owners return from their winter home.

[jbeegoode]

Does the camera record, or is it remote, sending the information to a recorder? If the previous, I'd find myself with a brand new camera to profit by, of course covering my tracks. I figure that there is justification to confiscate the intrusion to my privacy and disappearing cameras make a strong point of that principle. These people are imposing a dress code on another's land...NO WAY.

I don't see it as a matter of intentional exposure, it is a Peeping Tom. Even in this conservative state run by a nutjob legislature, there are statutes in concern for a reasonable expectation of privacy. It is not illegal to be nude just about anywhere. It becomes illegal to be seen nude. How reckless is anyone or anything found on the screen of a SPY camera?

They may have legal recourse to press charges on these inconsiderate neighbors. I'd sure like to know how it turns out.
Jbee

[Greenbare Woods]

Does the camera record, or is it remote, sending the information to a recorder? If the previous, I'd find myself with a brand new camera to profit by, of course covering my tracks. I figure that there is justification to confiscate the intrusion to my privacy and disappearing cameras make a strong point of that principle. These people are imposing a dress code on another's land...NO WAY.

That was my thought after reading other comments.  The camera focused on my land may disappear, and its recorder become erased.  I might even trespass on his land to come up behind the camera and not be photographed.  Look carefully for the other camera watching the obvious camera.   Somehow cameras set to record Bigfoot often become damaged but don't record who did it.  If Bigfoot can fool them it can't be that hard.   

I don't see it as a matter of intentional exposure, it is a Peeping Tom.

A while ago there was a court case from Florida (where else) where someone video taped a neighbor doing sex in a position that could be seen through a glass door.  The erotic couple was arrested and charged with public indecency, but after lieyers got through with the evidence it turned out that the camera guy was taping from a long way off with a long lens.  The original charges were dropped and he was charged with a "Peeping Tom" crime. 

Being naked in the woods is not criminal here, or in many other places, but over zealous police can make a mess of your life.  Their job is to destroy us and the law is often irrelevant.  I don't have to worry about getting fired from a job or such like that, and they view old people as "eccentric."  I can understand the caution of other people who don't want a camera focused onto our property. 

[milfmog]

I am not generally a fan of using guns to solve problems (something that the film industry seems to think is the best option). However, I can't help wondering whether it would be interesting to test the game camera's response speed by seeing if it could get a shot of the bullet just before the lens broke...

Have fun,


Ian

[Davie]

Shoot from outside the camera angle or the last thing it records may be the one firing the gun!

Davie 

[Greenbare Woods]

Shoot from outside the camera angle or the last thing it records may be the one firing the gun!

Davie 

The motion sensors that trip the camera into action have a limited range.   One may be able to fire from 100 feet away and not be within range.  The speeding bullet would likely not be large enough to trip the sensor, but I'm not sure about that.

[jbeegoode]

Maybe hire someone else to jump the fence while you're away? Would Cousteau come a knockin'? Could you hold a straight face when asked? A Can you act? Would a swat team come barging in, breaking everything in harassment in the disguise of gathering evidence? Train a bear to eat it? Build the ugliest cheapest privacy fence ever. Drone warfare?

The crime of the century! Remember, "Alice's Restaurant." Just how rural is it?
Jbee