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Re: One of my local walks
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2015, 07:17:04 PM »
All the Brits here no doubt know the "Manchester Rambler":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENYMwuCG2Y

It features an encounter between a hiker and a gamekeeper, and the whole song was inspired by this incident:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_trespass_of_Kinder_Scout

Nudity isn't mentioned, but I expect Ewan MacColl would have approved.
This explains the Naked "Rambler" moniker much better.

There is a road to remote public land out by the San Pedro River with a rancher's padlock on it. The road is the only access to a huge area. The rancher has effectively blocked off the public lands for himself making a kingdom. He is apparently kinda obstinate by hints from his sister. It is too remote to gather many to object to it, just not enough traffic. I feel ticked off when I think about it.

These things are ridiculous to take to court. My neighbors spent $35K to defend the easement into the Tortolitas from an unscrupulous pig developer and eventually had to settle out of court.
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Re: One of my local walks
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2015, 01:45:33 AM »
Quote from: jbee
These things are ridiculous to take to court. My neighbors spent $35K to defend the easement into the Tortolitas from an unscrupulous pig developer and eventually had to settle out of court.

Gosh was that one farmer thinking he could just adopt land adjacent.  Interested - tell us a bit more, please.

Was the developer unscrupulous or was it the pigs? :grin:!

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Re: One of my local walks
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2015, 06:27:11 AM »
Oops! The developer was a pig, not a pig developer. The county has a Tortolita Mountain Park plan. They are gathering land as dollars come in. The land is state land. The developer got the state to sell the land to him, usurping the place for the people. The developer drilled a tunnel through the mountain and built roads to lots, which started at $1.2 million. This is right next door to me and the access into the mountains runs through it. Some of us have it deeded access, some just years of use creating ingress/egress. The developer decided to cut us off from our access and give the county $50,000 to build a trailhead which leads to a ridiculous upgrade trail access. It would cut access to the park to those who can't hike or ride horses. Those with the deeded access sued to keep the people's rights to access the park. The developer figured that the issue would be settled because he had more money for court cost, etc..

The pig went bankrupt because of the 2008 crash...karma. The new owners were not much better, and after years and $35,000 cost and having to start over with another, it was settled out of court. Only the deeded people can drive up there now. Grandma or wheelchair people can no longer enjoy the place.
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Re: One of my local walks
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2015, 06:30:13 PM »
 :D :D :D ;D ::) !
Amazing language we have!  Who says word order is not important? 
 
  • Maybe people do some?
  • Some maybe do people?
  • Do some people, maybe ?
  • oh yes...Some people maybe do?
I had visions of swine running all over your best local walks...which I guess is also true in both meanings!!!
 
That was a mighty risk the locals took.  Legal fees might have broken them all.  Do I take it then that the current peace & quiet, freedom from dense population and FR for FRN, that you currently enjoy in the lands adjacent to your house, is maintained for the foreseeable future?  I hope so, I wish you the peace, health, leisure and freedom to enjoy it!
 
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« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2015, 08:12:40 PM »
Housing and economic slumps will hold off development, but things are picking up all over. The large track developments that are springing up, are the harbinger of the more pricey lots around here being active. There is a house going in nearly next door out on the jeep trail 45 acres that I have treasured, walked freely and seen no other soul on in 20 years. I'll have to sneak around nude, now. He is building in a gully for privacy, or solitude, so he doesn't look over the entire area. I don't know his habits. He is building for himself and wife and will be in the house for at least two years. Who knows, when I introduce them to DF and do something neighborly. I told him about the traditional use and he has no problem with walkers and horses. We have to mention the nude use at some point when we get a better feel for their outlooks.

A realtor is trying to sell the 10 acres north for cheap. They just want to get rid of it. It is landlocked, no legal access. I've given thought to buying it, using some of my property as easement, increasing the price (double or triple) and dividing it with restrictions to suit my needs. In the meantime, it is cheap because it doesn't sell without access. I might sell easement with restrictions, but that has other problems.

I have the trail to Havarock. It should be okay, for now.

The Tortolitas require an extra mile or three, hiking uphill, since we can't drive without getting together with neighbors to get a key for the gate. The pigs development that was creating multi-million dollar lots, may take off, but I'll bet that the property is just being held in speculation and these guys are not actively planning to get it going, for now. This has cut down on traffic to some extent.

The Tortolita Mountain Park is on hold. Last Tuesday, the funds for the open space bond were voted down with all the other bond packages, like roads, schools, etc.

The changes are on their way, sometimes slow, sometimes quick. always with no solid timeline. I love this place and never plan to move, but if elbow room and naturism becomes an issue, the dollar value will increase. It moves like a scale. There are forty-two saguaros on the ridge. I want to watch them all mature. We always will have all of the other places to drive to, that I write about. In the meantime, yea, I've got naked peace. These things should take years.

The problematic neighbors have given no response to building a fence between us. The sweat is now a nonprofit with $14K in the bank and $18K pledged to buy it. There is a benefit Dec. 11th and a deadline for purchase by Feb. 1st. That's only halfway there. If that goes away, I'll probably build one out here and offer it to the sweat community to use however often they might like.  Weekly sweat has become a pillar of my health regimen, not to mention prayer and the community of friends there.

Know anybody interested in a rental property ($1600 per month), old house, near the university and culture, that comes with a complete set of peaceful naked friends and community of all ages that are ready to adapt you into the family, pool, sauna and mature trees on an adjacent lot? He wants 250.

There are things that I can influence, but most of life consist of things that I can do nothing about, or the trade-off is bad.
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Re: One of my local walks
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2015, 08:27:41 PM »
Blessing of a sort to live in the rust belt/declining coal area of the country. Despite the promises of good jobs with the fracking industry it seems that all the workers were imported from out of state. Property values have remained stagnant along with everything else. Nothing much has changed in years, very little new construction leaves a lot of room to roam. Your situation reminds me of the song lyric "paved paradise and put up a parking lot"!
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Re: One of my local walks
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2015, 09:40:46 PM »
Your situation reminds me of the song lyric "paved paradise and put up a parking lot"!

Don't get me started...uh oh. When I came here we started a town callled Tortolita, which was crushed by political puppets, the powers that be. We thousands felt our grief, realizing that American democracy was just a myth. We all fought and believed in it, our right to our lifestyle, the right of preservation of a sustainable ecological wonderland to exist. We fought hard and spent fortunes, for years defending out rights and freedoms. Things became more stoic after that. It WAS crushing. Now, there is a new parking lot every couple of weeks, big ones, the big corporate kind that kills the local economy, the small business people, the culture and values. It is difficult to fight with outrage and still live the freedom that one fights for. Maybe there's a solution kinda like "A Pict Song" by Rudyard Kipling.

One must recognize and accept the forces of inevitability so as to not live in the illusion. When I walk naked in the moment, there is no illusion. I can't be robbed by the future, or past.

So we wrote songs about our town back in those days to play around the campfires, at fundraisers, sit ins, protests and for our continuously assaulted spirits. One was to the tune of John Prine's "Paradise" near your own neck of the woods.

"And daddy won't you take me back to old Tortolita,
by the Canyon Del Oro, where the box turtles play,
Well I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in askin',
Don Diamond and his ventures scrapped the whole place away."

Yea, that one goes on with lots of cute lyric.

Then there was the town song with Jimmy Buffet's "Margaritaville":

We Tortolitans, we love our lifestyle
Our Sonoran Desert, coyotes and owls,
Our Pygmy Owl is a rare bird, and like us it's endangered,
If you blade and scrape it, we're gonna howl.

Chorus:
We made a Town, we called it Tortolita;
Marana won't take one more acre of land
Some people say, they're going to make us go away
But we know, we've drawn our line in the sand.

More lyric:
Our towns been sued by, all of the big guys
They want to control us, but we want to be free,
So we won't surrender, the flag that we tender
Cause our battle cry is "Don't Tread on Me."

Well, there's much more of them. I wrote a popular one about taking down annexation posting signs and daring the police to arrest us all (we had legal right that night) to the tune of "Hey Joe." We had a posse that would take them down with ropes horses, western apparel with the news cameras watching. Sometimes we'd make prisoner trades when the anti democracy local governments would steal our campaign signs during elections. The last one went down with a couple of hundred people gathered around. It looked like Iwo Jima with cowboy hats and pickup trucks. It felt good. The OV Police had to just sit and watch.

We have to deal with a similar decisions when we intend to exercise our body freedom, spirit and defense. Pict song, fight song, arrest song, in your face, quietly go away tail down, etc.
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Re: One of my local walks
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2015, 05:03:32 PM »
Although not as oppressive we had much the same here a the fracking industry came knocking then moved in with their massive machinery. There is a lull as so much was done so fast the bottom dropped out of the market. Some places have turned into boom towns, much like the towns that sprang up near the gold and silver mines, but there has been destruction of habitat and waterways which may never recover. As for myself, I'm afraid there is still burnout and loss of those ideals from the whole Vietnam/ecology movement. Once squashed like a bug underfoot I seek shelter under rocks.
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Re: One of my local walks
« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2015, 10:43:16 PM »
Well, jbee, the future seems as shrouded in mist as ever - shapes can be made out but plain sight denied.
This, as you observe, is life and often little we can do about it.  Had I been successful with one of our attempted recent property purchases, which faced fields and a river beyond then the risk was that the facing land one day probably would have been developed taking away the reason for us acquiring the property in the first place. The gamble was that we would enjoy a decent run of time before that happened.  Parallel situation I think.  Let us hope you get some considerable years of naked roaming freedom ahead.
 
You just have to hope that the guy building in the gully wants seclusion because he is a dyed-in-the-wool naturist too!!
 
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« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2015, 09:04:55 AM »
I have done 4 weekend free range naturist walks in New Zealand recently. I am very blessed to have enough bush area to be able to walk for 5 hrs or more all nude. Clothes are stored in my pack for safekeeping. I have decided to dress once i am approaching an area where i may encounter people. To me this is about stress free...free range naturism.

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« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2015, 07:14:51 PM »
OK Peter,
This answers my question from the 'everyday occurrences' page.

So, New Zealand.  Not always hot, always beautiful.  When you are in the bush what dangers do you encounter? e.g. poisonous plants, hostile animal life etc.
What do you take with you - backpack?  What clothing to cover up and any supplies like water or emergency rations?  Do you need a gps or are you following tracks or paths?

I (and hopefully we) am (are) fascinated.  We haven't had a New Zealand member before as far as I can recall, and there must be so much to learn about your range and lifestyle in that land.  Do please tell us a few choice facts about your naturist location and activity.

John

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« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2015, 10:18:39 PM »
Last year I was able to go to Austria for Richard Foley's Naked European Walking Tour, and among the 35 people from 12 different countries, there was a New Zealander. Doug was the oldest member of the group, at 86(!!) and he always joined the "long walk" group. As he walked along, he'd happily talk about the apps on his smartphone! He said "New Zealand's dead boring in winter. I come over here every year and have another summer."

I think the world of naturism in New Zealand is a fairly small one, and people taking the free-range option rarer still, so maybe they tend to know each other. I'd been occasionally in touch with another guy there, and I mentioned his name to Doug. Doug responded, "What, Graham? 'E's me best mate!" So maybe Peter's going to say, "What, Doug and Graham? They're me two best mates!"

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« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2015, 11:10:03 PM »
Well, that would be nice, John.  Maybe we can get them all chatting here on the forum! :)
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Re: One of my local walks
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2019, 12:34:42 PM »
A number of posts in this thread have mentioned the "right to roam". In Scotland, we do not have the right to roam, we have the right to responsible access. There is no law of trespass.

The right to responsible access means that we can, and do, walk everywhere including the Queen's estates. I will walk my working Cocker spaniel through the grouse butts on a lead when they are ground nesting. I will divert my route when shooters are about (a handful of days a year).

Recognise that other people have the right to go about there business and most people will get along fine.

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« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2019, 01:41:01 PM »
Most people do get along but in this country, there are those who can be very touchy about trespassers. I'd say it depends on what they have on their land and how much they have of it but probably most of all on past experiences. We are fairly fortunate in having a lot of public land, both federal state and local (city and county) owned, although it may not be available for just any kind of uses. National Parks and National Forests have totally different purposes and allowable uses. The number of such places, particularly at the state level, have increased a lot in my lifetime and I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not. The result is more regulation.

There are also, where I live, places where there is no construction because of the likelihood of flooding. In fact, they're referred to as "flood plains," although all they are, are creek beds and the narrow flat areas around them. Most of them are not county parks, though some are. But they make good places for hiking, though not for nude hiking. Some have paved paths, others just muddy trails. I say muddy because last year was a record-breaking year for rain hereabouts.

Parts of the Appalachian Trail, the big long-distance hiking trail in the East, goes through private land. When it was first completed before WWII, parts of it followed roads. Some say it has become more difficult over the years.