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Taking a shower in a National Park (in Utah)
« on: February 08, 2016, 06:35:12 AM »
This is from last year, but I believe it is now being offered to the world of naturism for the first time. It was obviously an unpleasant incident for the people involved, but at least they didn't end up in serious trouble.

http://www.ravishly.com/2015/07/23/confession-i-got-busted-park-ranger-camping-naked

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Re: Taking a shower in a National Park (in Utah)
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2016, 10:34:12 AM »
In the UK we call it the prudification of society. In Northern Ireland two men were threatened with being placed on the sexual offences register for skinny dipping. At least some common sense is in the air as the Crown Prosecution Service has issued guidelines on prosecuting cases of nudity. (not 100% satistactory but a start) In the UK simple nudity is not an offence but the Police will attempt to circumvent this by using subjective public order act legislation.

Sometimes the action of the Police causes more upset than the nudity. prior to the London Olympics the torch was being rum around the country. At one stage a streaker decided to get in on the act. This was exhibitionist and wrong but watching the event on TV you could hear the crowd laughing. Along came the Police who chased and tackled him to the ground. You then hear shrieks of alarm including those from children at the violence of the Police.

Society takes nudity to seriously!

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Re: Taking a shower in a National Park (in Utah)
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2016, 01:01:04 PM »
Good grief. What is everyone so frightened of.  Wrestling to the ground on first apprehension - barbaric over reaction.  Much more sensible the old time pcs that apprehended a streaker in the heyday of streaking, 1970s, at a rugby match and simply escorted him off, placing a policeman's helmet over his policeman's helmet, to protect the 50,000 crowd and tv viewers (or may even have been newsreel in those far off blue remembered days) from whatever he thought they needed protecting from, thus creating an iconic image that was as hilarious in those prurient (or maybe less restricted) times as it seems today.

http://lalitkumar.in/blog/worlds-first-streaker-famous-photograph/
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/streaker-is-arrested-during-the-five-nations-match-between-news-photo/658546

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Re: Taking a shower in a National Park (in Utah)
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2016, 04:20:28 PM »
The footage of the streaker at Henley may be found here

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Re: Taking a shower in a National Park (in Utah)
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2016, 04:55:13 PM »
The Utah incident reads like the ranger was on the side of shower man (or at least wanting a quiet life without all these complaints!) and only telling him to stop because of the complaint. Indeed he got shower man's friends to tell him to stop rather than strongarming him himself.
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Re: Taking a shower in a National Park (in Utah)
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2016, 05:32:58 PM »
Fed park rangers are usually much more lax, less authority, non gun slinging than state police. They just want thing to go smoothly, keep the peace. Police...I don't know which of many reasons are more often hardass in comparison. I say that based on what I've heard, what I've experienced, what their position in law enforcement entails overall.

That directive is unfamiliar and it didn't google anything but that article.
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Re: Taking a shower in a National Park (in Utah)
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2016, 05:50:01 PM »
If you think about it, park rangers are usually people who enjoy the outdoors, and they see their job as encouraging visitors to enjoy places without damaging the environment. I'm sure they see their enemy as anyone who'd be careless or destructive, not someone who's taking a shower in a spot that turned out not to be very private. Probably no ranger sees dealing with conflicts between visitors as an enjoyable part of the job.

Police officers, on the other hand, often see themselves as guardians of law and order (and are seen as such by the public generally). Maybe they're judicious about this role and maybe they let it take over their personality. But a policeman is not a lawyer: most of the time they might recognize a crime, but there are times when they may not get the true meaning of the law, especially if what's commonly believed isn't exactly what the law says. I think that might be the case with public nudity, even in places where it's not definitely illegal. There's very often some vagueness in there--so in England and Wales, the offending action would be "Conduct likely to cause alarm and distress", and what does that mean, exactly?

I remember that case in Northern Ireland, but I don't know if the law there is the same as England; there are some differences. If it's the same, the policeman was entirely wrong, but he might have had the idea that "Anyone naked in public is guilty of indecent exposure, and it's a sex crime". In fact non-sexual nudity hasn't been treated that way in England for years. Davie (or anyone) do you know how that case turned out?

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Re: Taking a shower in a National Park (in Utah)
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2016, 06:51:30 PM »
The footage of the streaker at Henley may be found here

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Good grief. What is everyone so frightened of.  Wrestling to the ground on first apprehension - barbaric over reaction.  Much more sensible the old time pcs that apprehended a streaker in the heyday of streaking, 1970s, at a rugby match and simply escorted him off, placing a policeman's helmet over his policeman's helmet, to protect the 50,000 crowd and tv viewers (or may even have been newsreel in those far off blue remembered days) from whatever he thought they needed protecting from, thus creating an iconic image that was as hilarious in those prurient (or maybe less restricted) times as it seems today.

http://lalitkumar.in/blog/worlds-first-streaker-famous-photograph/
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/streaker-is-arrested-during-the-five-nations-match-between-news-photo/658546

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Just stating the obvious perhaps, but in Nuduke's photo, there is a crowd of smiling faces including the police. His act was funny, fun, amusing, curious, etc. to onlookers. I looked but saw no one alarmed or distressed.

Then Davie's video, to see the brutal force placed upon an obviously compliant man, the takedown and being bound like livestock, scraped bare across pavement, and then escorted away in a dangerous, torturing uncomfortable unnecessary position. Besides being a punishment before ANY due process. Seeing the people just standing there accepting the brutality as if it made sense, just looked to me like the society that we live in is made up of a group of absolute fools. Like what this guy did was a dangerous criminal offense, as if the public is in danger of getting hurt. A entire society afraid of themselves.

Could it be that civility is being replaced by authoritarianism in general? That tolerance and levity is being suffocated by intolerance and control? That people feel less safe and so support this? Or that fascist militarized attitudes have crept into policing to become the norm? Should we all feel the need to blend into the camouflage of uniformity to be safe; if we stand out in a crowd, maybe some body armor should be under our unconventional trappings? Was this guy prosecuted for something? Were the police prosecuted for obvious assault?

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Re: Taking a shower in a National Park (in Utah)
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2016, 07:37:40 PM »
I do wonder what the outcome of the Olympic torch streaker was and whether or not any complaints were made. Had I been the streaker (wasn't me honest guv.) I'd have had a field day with complaints and my day in court

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Re: Taking a shower in a National Park (in Utah)
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2016, 08:25:45 PM »
Some follow-up articles about the Henley-on-Thames streaker:

This one in the Daily Telegraph reports his first appearance in the magistrates court. Curiously (if you believe what was written) neither barrister knows that "Indecent Exposure" was expunged from the statute books by the Sexual Offences Act 2003. Somehow, I suspect that is journalists getting it wrong as usual...

This article appeared in the Henley local paper after the miscreant's second appearance in the Court. He was apparently fined £175.

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Re: Taking a shower in a National Park (in Utah)
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2016, 12:51:31 AM »
Thanks Ian. He could indeed have spoilt it for the runner with the torch and I note the report had to mention "school children where present!

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Re: Taking a shower in a National Park (in Utah)
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2016, 12:22:00 PM »
JB's point about tolerance and civility becoming thin in the ground gels with the increase we've seen in a general clampdown on anything that anyone deems 'offensive', to the point where we regularly see free speech and debate stifled at birth. Lately in the UK we've had a number of instances of universities, of all places, opposing or banning contentious issues because they intrude on students' "safe space". WTF?

At the London School of Economics students have felt the problem so keenly that some have set up a Free Speech Society to combat the problem, only to have a counter movement appear trying to ban it (though there might be some irony at work here).

I feel as though the rest of the world is starting to experience what naturists/nudists have had to put up with for ages - what's so wrong it has to be banned?

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Re: Taking a shower in a National Park (in Utah)
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2016, 12:50:22 PM »
It's a cult I think that says no-one should be offended. The Public Order Act was actually amended as no-one actually has the right not to be offended (excluding hate crime etc.) The actions in the universities is a disgrace and is I believe also an issue in the US. Students of all people should be open minded and should defeat loony arguments with structured thought and debate. The only exceptions should perhaps be those who are supporting unlawful acts of violence. I have no problem with people putting forward a view to change the law.

The I'm upset brigade should perhaps be told to "grow up."

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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2016, 01:12:54 PM »
The I'm upset brigade should perhaps be told to "grow up."

No "perhaps" about it Davie. Sadly, I don't see any likelihood of it happening any time soon...

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Re: Taking a shower in a National Park (in Utah)
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2016, 03:14:29 PM »
The I'm upset brigade should perhaps be told to "grow up."

No "perhaps" about it Davie. Sadly, I don't see any likelihood of it happening any time soon...

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