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Dares
« on: June 03, 2016, 05:58:26 PM »
I posted this originally in the "World Naked Gardening Day" thread.
Did anyone else notice the site JOhn gave us? Naked Public Dares!. Some interesting photos.

I spotted JOhn in there.  :D
I've never done nudity on a dare. Anyone else done this?

Duane

There is a selection near the top that is, "PRINT DARES HERE". It is a list of all the dares on the site. I scrolled through and spotted several that I would qualify as having done. Some easy, some require taking a deep breath and then the plunge.

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Re: Dares
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2016, 07:29:26 PM »
As naturists do we want to do dares? To me it implies wanting to take a risk being caught and has suggestions of exhibitionism rather just enjoying being with out clothes. One of the first examples I saw was being naked outside a Police Station - I don't believe some of the dares if people were caught would do our cause any good at all, and some looked pathetic.

Sorry

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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2016, 07:46:17 PM »
Okay, I just responded to your dares question on the WNGD thread. Here it is in the more appropriate spot.

Nobody ever dared me to do something like that, or any other dares. I'm kind of independent and not so into recognition of others, so the dare needs to be something personal within myself. I have found personal challenges and conquering fears will expand a free range and give confidence. There are varying degrees of risk and playing with odds. Sometimes it produces a sense of liberation, sometimes a rush to go where people generally aren't nude. Mostly these short forays are just part of learning a wider stealth range and not having to cover up so often.

 I believe that this kind of behavior where one quickly jumps into a shot is how the Secret Naturist Society got its start with Lookee.

There is a trap inherent for some of the participants in this dares site. Accepting that the behavior is outrageous, extraordinary, or crazy, or even naughty and rebellious, accepts that clothing is a norm. I tend to see these social and legal parameters as an injustice and therefore I feel liberated and less oppressed when expanding my range.

Then there's the matter of guts. Doing things requiring guts is necessary to expanding, to changing, making life richer and embracing freedom. These dares, I suppose could be treated that way and a rush, but there are many other ways to use guts and be alive and perhaps even producing change in others, in life. Nudity is just one way, WNBR an example of being naked daring.

Jung would be integrating the hero archetype, into this.

Being a free ranging naturist will require people to "take the plunge" "throw ones balls over ones shoulder and just go" "leaps of faith." Individuation in life, transitioning into adulthood, generally requires these things.

In the eighties, I would talk friends into walking my tract house neighborhood nude, each year on a warm summers night. Sometimes it took alcohol and even drugs to get participation in this stealth and daring crazy smuggling a nude body event. Some just needed, a justification, a challenge, an excuse. Some liked it, some ended up scared as they had ever been. Some feeling stupid to have put themselves into that position of risk in consideration of what the law might think, immediately assuming some perv had been caught. The risk in 1980 could be very high, not just brushed off as streaking, by a local cop, if happened upon. The idea was to be stimulated to as much of a sense of being alive as possible.

For some it was a warrior's behavior, as an alert challenge. I was taught in Boy Scouts how a native warrior will be aware with each step, careful how it sounds, alert, moving bravely, prepared to meet a challenge or opportunity. Each step careful to not disturb the wildlife , or leave tracks in moccasins. That was good training for a free range naturist. Still, it is nice to have a safe liberated place, that's also a part of the naturism. Getting there requires challenges, or personal dares. Even a newbie at a naturist resort must overcome challenges and find that the shadow (there's Carl Jung again) is acceptance of oneself.
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Re: Dares
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2016, 08:22:09 PM »
As naturists do we want to do dares? To me it implies wanting to take a risk being caught and has suggestions of exhibitionism rather just enjoying being with out clothes. One of the first examples I saw was being naked outside a Police Station - I don't believe some of the dares if people were caught would do our cause any good at all, and some looked pathetic.

Sorry

Davie  8)

One year while out on of those early eighties forays that I would create each year, mentioned above, a friend and I were feeling gregarious and wallowing in a sense of the joy of being crazy (and intoxication). We thought ourselves outrageous and wanted more of the fun, looking for opportunities, a story to tell to top them all. About a half a mile from my place, there lived a cop, who had the privilege of driving his car home after work. It was parked across the street from us and Dawn and I decided to see if the key was in it. After all stealing a police car naked and going for a joy ride, and intoxicated, would put to rest all other brags....Think about that! Is that a logic, attitude, or what? 

Very fortunately, after tiptoeing across the gravel parking space, the car was locked. We returned to our other friends disappointed, a nekkid pal and my future second ex-wife were relieved. As we progressed, Dawn decided that she wanted to be seen. Doing cartwheels down a major road in the middle of the night wasn't enough for her. The other two abandoned the trip, figuring that she would get caught and cause trouble. I stayed with her to attempt to keep her out of trouble. I directed her back into the neighborhood. Two guys drove by twice and enjoyed the sight of the attractive nude blonde standing on the sidewalk, nothing more happened. I remember feeling kind of bored at the end of the trip through the quiet neighborhood, taking off my running shoes to see if that made it more fun.

This, I don't think was free range naturism, but just kicks, the next bigger rush, something exciting.

Do you remember the scene in "Romancing the Stone" when they are in a jeep named Pepe, being chased by Colombian Feds. He turns to the driver and says,"You're Crazy." The driver smiles back and says sincerely, "Thank-you." taking it as a compliment.
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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2016, 01:17:24 AM »
Davie, generally I agree. But if no one ever dared to jump out of the rut they were in, we wouldn't be here. Yeah, looking to do it where there is a possibility of being caught is the attraction. But there likely are those that began that way and became a more careful nudist because they realized how much they enjoyed it.

Besides, how many here, no matter how careful we were, really thought that we would be caught at any second. Very few of us are raised this way.

As Jbee says, we are all born nudists, it's a matter of recovering that after we done grow'd up.

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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2016, 01:47:05 AM »
Also, how many of us have on a spur of the moment, undressed and jumped out of our car for a quick photo and bounced back in and moved on. That's a kind of personal dare. We realize at a moment that, "Hey, I could get out here naked and get a snap"!

Just going down a list of dares, I see your point. not much there except the thrill of the dare. But I have been with my wife driving and all of a sudden a certain spot DEMANDS a naked picture. That's no different than seeing a place to go on a hike and coming back later to do that. You're just doing it spontaneously and really fast!

Done with an attitude of, "a naked experience is ok", if you've decided there is a low risk I don't see anything wrong. There are many ways of having a naked experience and not having to rely on something written down as "approved".

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« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2016, 01:51:01 AM »
My biggest problem with this kind of dare is the lack of someone to take the photos.  I have to set up a camera and tripod.  Adjust the time delay.  Take my clothes off.  Set the photo button.  Run over and try to pose before the shutter goes off.  Then, if I want to try a second shot its more of the same.  I would be doing more of these kind of things if there was someone who would take the photos. 

On my trip to Alaska a few years ago now my son would take my photo when I posed by signs, roads, etc.  Lots better.
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« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2016, 10:01:02 AM »
There's a difference. Going out naked for the joy of naturism and maybe having an encounter is one thing. Getting naked just for a dare isn't. Some of the photos are pure exhibitionism - lifting skirts, standing in stockings and suspenders - not naturism. Some seem pathetic.

I'm all for pushing the boundaries of naturism and making our life-style more acceptable but just stripping of for a dare/a bet doesn't promote naturism as a normal activity where the person happens not to be wearing clothes.

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« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2016, 12:19:32 PM »
I got involved because many of my FRN sessions are really SN sessions in environments which many would regard as risky but where, in true SN style the risk is very carefully controlled and does not cause problems.
My postings there are almost all taken during FRN time when I didn't need to spend time undressing for the shot the few exceptions being when I decided to wear shorts temporarily on an otherwise FRN session because I considered the risk element to be significant.

I certainly don't agree with the philosophy of some of the posters who seem to be indulging in what I would term "secret flashing" but I participate on the basis of my philosophy, not theirs, as I like to portray my dares as incidental to enjoying life as naked as possible in the widest possible range of times and places.
I leave it to the viewer to decide whether or not I succeed.
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« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2016, 06:41:53 PM »
I agree with Davie - especially as I look rubbish in stockings and suspenders ...
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« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2016, 11:27:17 PM »
I'm divided over this. I've known about the nude dares site since it was "Flashing4fun"and run by a guy in Holland, of all places, but that's a few years back now. Some of it genuinely is fun, and of course it's true that very few of the people on it are naturists, so their approaches vary. Some of them, especially if there is a woman involved, try to put up images that are erotic in some stylized way. For a lot of them, I wonder what they really want to achieve. So it's possible to go to some lonely spot and take one's clothes off and get away with it, and then what? It's not much of a thrill to see. Some of them are so utterly homely (U.S. idiom) that I just want to hug them. When we're naturists, every body is a good body! And there are a few who belong on the hiking trail, and one might hope to meet them some day. So I don't know, I'm not especially interested in joining in there, but some people evidently enjoy it.

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« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2016, 12:26:58 AM »
Quote from: John P
"Flashing4fun"and run by a guy in Holland, of all places
I wonder if that guy in Holland was Paul Midnightrider?  I don't think so - Paul has too much dignity and seriousness to run a site like that.

What a rambling rag bag of a site!  Very difficult to navigate.  I agree with with Davie's comments on the content but also salute JOhn's robust comments in the following post: "but I participate on the basis of my philosophy, not theirs, as I like to portray my dares as incidental to enjoying life as naked as possible in the widest possible range of times and places." and nod to the other opinions in John P's next post too.

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« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2016, 07:52:58 AM »
You are right John, flashing4fun was not my site, I like to promote the acceptance of nudity but I think those type of dare sites are causing the opposite effect.

Cheers,

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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2016, 12:55:53 AM »
You are right John, flashing4fun was not my site, I like to promote the acceptance of nudity but I think those type of dare sites are causing the opposite effect.
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I disagree.  In my opinion the more often people are seen naked, for whatever reason, the more exposure the public has to naked people.  These dare sites encourage people to go out and be seen.  The more the better.   Your mileage may vary.
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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2016, 08:37:51 AM »
Yes Bob, I agree that the more people are confronted with nudity the easier they will accept it as something normal .  But it will never work if individuals start streaking the city center or disturbing football matches by streaking for fun.  Nudity should must fit into the right situation.  And individual actions donít have the same effect as actions performed by groups.  Things like the naked bike ride, or the installations by Spencer Tunick, getting official nudist trails in Germany, getting article 430a in our Dutch law to decriminalize nudity,  getting official nudebeaches at the whole coastline of my country.  All done by groups and naturist organisations...