Public Promotion of Nudism/Naturism.

[eyesup]

Amorphous laws are always a slippery slope. They can be to the benefit or detriment of a litigant.

They are particularly attractive to aggressive and ambitious prosecutors and pols so they can add to or polish their creds and CV's.

Duane

[jbeegoode]

How to get the word out? Where are their soft spots? What would just give them a chance to listen. One soft spot is if they relate to these opinions from fear, perhaps other fears would jar their poor opinions of the body. They seem to respect authority and run to it when fearful. Authority needs to assure them that they are safe around naked bodies and so are their own naked bodies safe. A positive message about naked bodies is also good, but if they could understand that they are harming children, they would respond in action based in fear.

Fear of cancer and lack of vitamin D could be a fear driver. It is a needed health regime to get nude in the sun. Airbathing helps prevent nasty nasty bacteria imbalance on feet and crotches. Your children will have body issues and are more likely to get pregnant. Eating disorders are caused by lack of body acceptance and false body image ideals. Sauna as a nude activity should be promoted for good health, but the fear of unhealthy skin might be one of these negative drivers. Naked peopel are not hiding guns, so they are safer to be around...jus' sayin'.
Jbee

[eyesup]

Authority needs to assure them that they are safe around naked bodies and so are their own naked bodies safe. A positive message about naked bodies is also good, but if they could understand that they are harming children, they would respond in action based in fear.

Anything done out of fear will not result in an initial positive impression. They may come around later but it is better to make choices based on knowledge. Law enforcement's job is to enforce existing law not babysit people. I realize they are always looking for opportunities to improve their relations with the citizens but sometimes they go to far because we expect too much from them.

The result is that we start to look to law enforcement for assistance that lies outside their responsibility. A dependence that is not healthy for society. We should learn and understand why things are they way they are so we can make intelligent decisions.

The same applies for medical knowledge. Bad decisions come out of lazy thinking. Learn everything you need to and make a choice.

Duane

[jbeegoode]

Authority needs to assure them that they are safe around naked bodies and so are their own naked bodies safe. A positive message about naked bodies is also good, but if they could understand that they are harming children, they would respond in action based in fear.

Anything done out of fear will not result in an initial positive impression. They may come around later but it is better to make choices based on knowledge. Law enforcement's job is to enforce existing law not babysit people. I realize they are always looking for opportunities to improve their relations with the citizens but sometimes they go to far because we expect too much from them.

The result is that we start to look to law enforcement for assistance that lies outside their responsibility. A dependence that is not healthy for society. We should learn and understand why things are they way they are so we can make intelligent decisions.

The same applies for medical knowledge. Bad decisions come out of lazy thinking. Learn everything you need to and make a choice.

Duane

Ya know, when I used the term authority, I wasn't even thinking of local police. I was thinking science, psychology, but then for millions of people, that can be someone like Dr. Ruth a pop psych; people who often just mouth off the top of their heads. I was thinking law makers and administrators, social workers, healthcare professionals. A cop would tend to fall back on these authority's influence like the fear based masses. The pop shrink celebrities could certainly have a great sway in influence. You are correct in my thinking, just enforce laws and be careful how it is interpreted, protect and serve and such.

[nudewalker]

I wish a group of "authority" figures would come forward and state the facts as we know them. But like I have told anyone who will listen during this election process, "follow the money!". Why would the medical community come out and praise the virtues of nudity when it comes to cancers, vitamin D or air bathing to prevent nasty bacteria? There is money to be made in selling chemo, vitamins and anti-fungus or bacterial creams. I find it funny when a pediatrician will recommend parents let their youngsters go without a diaper to help heal a diaper rash but once they are in training pants the nudity has to stop. Even Dr. Ruth as open about sex as she could be drew the line at children seeing parents nude. And body issues? Still too much money to be made in therapy sessions instead of promoting positive images, or heaven forbid, an open discussion on sex. You would be astonished about the lack of reliable information these teens have now. I remember a Playboy article on birth control where many options were debunked; like you can't get pregnant in a hot tub. Once again we trail our European counterparts in open mindedness and culture.

[jbeegoode]

Every so often, I look around the web for references to children and nudity and I correct any misinformation. Fortunately nearly all references have so far been real or supporting of reality. There was one "authority" that I corrected, or confronted and she withdrew her article.

It is important for us to refute any comments to the contrary with the scientific facts, any news article, any "authority" any uninformed person shooting their mouth off anything in a "comments" section. BUT, you can't deflect lying fear mongering robo calls without equal funding and you can't change the beliefs of the zealots who act out of their ignorant fears and belief systems. Fortunately there are fewer in the radical camp that lead the charge and a minority that agree.
Jbee

[Greenbare Woods]

It is important for us to refute any comments to the contrary with the scientific facts, any news article, any "authority" any uninformed person shooting their mouth off anything in a "comments" section. BUT, you can't deflect lying fear mongering robo calls without equal funding and you can't change the beliefs of the zealots who act out of their ignorant fears and belief systems. Fortunately there are fewer in the radical camp that lead the charge and a minority that agree.
Jbee

An organized group making public assertions is  hard for the naysayers to denounce entirely.

Bob

[jbeegoode]

I wonder what they pay to have those pesky robo phone systems harass people?
Jbee

[eyesup]

The pop shrink celebrities could certainly have a great sway in influence.

Unfortunately "pop shrink celebrities" are compelled to remain in the pop scene and will do whatever is needed to stay there. They can't be trusted. Dr. Ruth in particular as she seemed, is she still around?, to always trace every problem back to sexual issues. Obsessed with it.

I wish a group of "authority" figures would come forward . . .

What we don't need is another group of "authority figures". Why not just some rational, levelheaded people that advocate teaching yourself and your family what is necessary to make an informed decision and boot the "experts" out. As Jbee metaphorically did.

An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be made in a very narrow field.
- Niels Bohr

[Peter S]

An expert is someone who says something different to everyone else - anon.

On the subject of 'authority', I've come to dislike and distrust the term. All too often the 'authorities' are actually the opposite, the servants of society. We elect and employ people to run things for the social benefit, such as schools, roads, safety, and they all call themselves the 'authority' - the education authority, the highways authority, the police authority, and as such claim pre-eminence over the rest of us. And we go along with, accepting that name change brings with a raise in status to which we must doff our caps and tug our forelocks.

Thus are we enslaved by language. Thus do the servants make themselves the masters.

Now I'm starting to sound like Bob.

Peter

[jbeegoode]

The personalities that respond to "authority" the fear based, the ones who were taught to crave rules and structure, to guide them and think for them, are more often the ones which cause problems for body freedom, who complain because it is out of place, who shriek, "What about the kids."

Duane, I don't think that these people behave with the intellectual capacity that your suggested lack of authority solution would require. They need a father figure, to tell them that it is fact, safe, alright, or to be lead. Even with that, some of them will just hunker down even more in their position, like a cornered animal that doesn't understand that no one is going to harm them. Most other people would respond as you say, to the facts presented by "experts", understand and make the obvious choices and adjustments.

People switch to fear and their brains go on fritz. They are very suggestible and easy to target. Ask any modern politician. Look at the effectiveness of these outlandish election tactics. It is chock full of fear based manipulation and less of the truly pertinent issues, qualifications, or informed decisions. I'm hoping not to make a political discussion here, but to provide an example of the mentality that we have to deal with to crack the social mores and images that are sustaining this culture of body demonization and sexual confusion.

Speaking of sexual confusion, The trans person is often a lot about dress and cultural gender identification. If there were no clothes, then what would happen with that? I've got a trans friend. I have to remember to ask her what her take would be on that.
Jbee

[jbeegoode]

Talking about promoting nudity and converting attitudes, I don’t know that I mentioned this.  A group of us formed a 501c3 a non-profit tax exempt corporation that can accept donations. We did this to save our old sweat, maybe buying it, etc. It needed a bank account and legal structure to accept donations. We still have this and several thousand dollars from fund raising efforts, although we have lost that old sweat.

For 40 years, the place brought nude and spiritual community together. People would be invited in by friends, and get more relaxed with social nudity.

Sauna is a respected and traditional activity…naked.

Eventually, a pool was put in next to it. A body of water is the first thing that a reservation set up has to have. Ours was communal to an extent and much more loosely organized.

Setting these things up is a great way to promote, familize, and associate naked with health.
Jbee

[eyesup]

I check this site out regularly, https://breastsarehealthy.wordpress.com/2017/01/02/why-i-walk-bare-chested-where-men-dont/
Bob, a quote from that article, Why I Walk Bare-Chested “Where Men Don’t”,

"Men are going bare-chested all over the place.  It’s just so normal we don’t even register it any more."

reminded me of the quote you once had under your name, "That which is not seen, becomes . . ??", can't recall what it was exactly. She makes a perfect example of what you had on your posts.

Pick any article from the main page, https://breastsarehealthy.wordpress.com/ and you will find a lady absolutely devoted to achieving equal treatment under the law.

She is inspiring in her simplicity.

Duane

[reubenT]

Our world (people in general) is loaded down with a whole lot of traditions that have no real basis in science or the perceived sources of authority.     I could come up with a good list of beliefs and practices that are taught as solid truth,   but when really examined can be found to be just traditions passed down from somewhere, no real authority for it.  Religion is full of it,   Atheism is full of it.   Even energy sciences has it's off limits zone where some people have gone and found wonderful things,  but it's still forbidden territory, considered nonsense, by any officially educated person.    The teaching against nakedness is just one of the uneducated teachings of tradition.    We consider the modern age one of enlightenment.   But human nature hasn't changed.  It's the same as when people believed that rats spontaneously generated from rag piles and the earth was flat.  Many current beliefs that are very widespread are just as ridiculous.        The best solution to them all is to just ask; WHY?    Why do I believe this?  why do I do that?   Get down to the nitty gritty,  dig for real reasons from history.    Most people are too mentally lazy to research common stuff they grew up with and take for granted. 

  One example;   Like goin to church on Sunday.    Why do they do it when the Bible (the Christians professed authority) teaches the seventh day of the week as holy very solidly?      It so happens that tradition was begun by Constantine in the year 321 when he made a decree restricting certain work on Sunday.  Borrowing ideas from the Jews and Christians and mixing them up with his sun worship tradition.   It only worked it's way into Christianity very gradually over some 200 years,  finally being enforced by the laws of the roman church/state union after the bishop of the roman church was handed the power of the roman empire in 538 AD. 

Another example from religion is how so many people believe they will go to heaven or hell at death.   The Bible does not teach that at all.  It teaches very plainly that when we die we're dead,  and will know nothing until one of the two resurrections at the end of the world.   They're just too lazy to search it out for themselves,  preferring instead to just believe what they're told by their teachers,  who are teaching the error they were taught,  and so on.

Actually certain religions are at serious fault for educating their followers to just believe what yer told and don't ask why.  That is very counter productive to progress in any fashion. 

Now if yer dealing with any of the religious sort,  the articles on mychainsaregone.org website are about the best way I can imagine of getting through to them.  It presents the "pornographic view of the body"  as a serious error that has caused a lot of problems in our society,  the cure for it being to just get used to nakedness in every day life, just as a doctor or nurse does when working with nude people on a daily basis.  It explains the issue in a way that will get a prude through it without resistance,  in most cases.   Although some will be so set in concrete they won't be budged even by common sense.    Like some who continued to teach the world is flat even after explorers had sailed all the way around.   I was surprised at how long it took that idea to die out. 

[Greenbare Woods]

Now if yer dealing with any of the religious sort,  the articles on mychainsaregone.org website are about the best way I can imagine of getting through to them.  It presents the "pornographic view of the body"  as a serious error that has caused a lot of problems in our society,  the cure for it being to just get used to nakedness in every day life, just as a doctor or nurse does when working with nude people on a daily basis.  It explains the issue in a way that will get a prude through it without resistance,  in most cases.   Although some will be so set in concrete they won't be budged even by common sense.    Like some who continued to teach the world is flat even after explorers had sailed all the way around.   I was surprised at how long it took that idea to die out.

Thanks for the link.  I read through some portion of the "My chains are gone" web site.  Their argument attempts to "free" ourselves of sexuality by making naked common. They argue that sexual desire is "unclean" and a "chain" binding humans who are not "toward the light."    I don't think that is ever going to work.   Or at least I disagree with their goal. 

They argue that their own "chains" of religious dogma are freedom from the "mud" and "unclean" of biological sexual desire.  Take their chains of belief to pull yourself away from the "unclean" bondage of human biological feelings.  I find their arguments not compelling.

Human biology is not "unclean" and "mud."  We are more bound by chains of beliefs about "sin" than by accepting our inherent biology and biological desires.  Biology is who and what we are.   They make a step toward body acceptance, but only by making a foolish claim about the rest of our bodies. 

To accept the freedom of bodies we have to accept bodies.  We have to unchain ourselves of prudery of all forms. Biology is not "mud" nor "unclean," though biology is always wet and sometimes messy.  That is the freedom when it can be accepted.

Bob