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Re: Police Voyeurs
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2016, 08:01:23 PM »
Because I was in a school zone, I didn't take it as any kind of harassment. There are a couple zones around here where kids, in a legal crosswalk, have actually been hit by idiots rolling through a school zone like it was their personal domain or they were yakking on a phone. I've seen it. The police probably get just as annoyed having to repeatedly remind people about the different rules in a school zone. No excuses!

Kids are kids. They do dumb things because they are unaware of the consequences. Adults don't get to plead youthful stupidity. We should, not only know better, but know that kids will run out in a street without thinking and be prepared for it.

My take on the motorcycle cop was that he thought I was yet another idiot. I didn't take issue with it. It was a school zone and I should have been thinking. Law Enforcement is not an exclusive domain of dumb people.

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« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2016, 03:17:29 AM »
I don't know what happened to the drone thread. I was in a toy store the other day. There are several drone toys AND with cameras available. Say around $120 dollars and then down to much less. Some compatible with a cell phone. Some just fly and have heavy duty casing to protect blades for small kids to learn with. They're teaching smalls at an early age to spy on us!!!!

If it wasn't illegal (or in effect illegal) to be naked and I didn't have to care about the ramifications of somebody seeing my naked pic, I wouldn't care as much. But again, there is something about having privacy.
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« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2016, 05:32:32 PM »
The attack of the drones! Not long ago there was an incident where a real estate guy was flying one to video a house when he riled up the next door neighbor who was sun bathing. Although she wasn't nude she still filed an invasion of privacy and peeping Tom charge. It was settled when the footage was deleted and now the agent goes door to door to announce his intentions to film.

The nudist resort where I did the work for our friend mentioned low flying aircraft which to me is an expensive  way to see naked bodies. I wonder if they have any drone issues? Maybe I'll have to ask my friend if I remember next time I speak with her. My fear, every time there is an incident like the one at Ohio State, is that the government in the rush to protect us will turn cyber snooping to a new level. Paranoia from early onset of SAD?
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« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2016, 06:10:45 PM »
The attack of the drones! Not long ago there was an incident where a real estate guy was flying one to video a house when he riled up the next door neighbor who was sun bathing. Although she wasn't nude she still filed an invasion of privacy and peeping Tom charge. It was settled when the footage was deleted and now the agent goes door to door to announce his intentions to film.


There was a time when I complied with the factory naked farm mantra about avoiding photography.  I have come to see that as just another part of teaching that naked human bodies are shameful in public.  I quit self censoring my photos on Internet.  If someone is out Free Range, or even in his own back yard, he really needs to expect to be photographed.  Everyone has a camera and the cameras take such fine detailed photos that even someone far in the background can be cropped out and expanded to fill a whole screen.   

I now just think nudists need to get over the aversion to naked photos and begin harassing Facebook, etc., for their censorship of human beings.  What is unseen is unseeable, but what is seen is acceptable to be seen.  Every time someone sees a photo of a naked person it is one more small step for general acceptance of nudity. 

Several decades ago I was at a hot spring in New Mexico when I noticed someone on another hilltop with a very big lens camera.  I stood up to smile and wave.  He got embarrassed at being noticed and left.  That was before digital photos.  Now, the digital cameras are so common its going to happen a lot and that is no longer a problem.


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The nudist resort where I did the work for our friend mentioned low flying aircraft which to me is an expensive  way to see naked bodies. I wonder if they have any drone issues? Maybe I'll have to ask my friend if I remember next time I speak with her. My fear, every time there is an incident like the one at Ohio State, is that the government in the rush to protect us will turn cyber snooping to a new level. Paranoia from early onset of SAD?


Yes, the airplane people were silly. Their aversion to photographs is a part of their fence policy.  The Factory Farm nudists promote the concept that nudity is indecent in public and can only be done behind fences.   I disagree with all of that.  The only way to take the wind out of the snoopers is to own it and make it public. 

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« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2016, 06:53:40 PM »
Almost all the nudist establishments I have visited have had solid fencing along the public road by the entrance but typically something less solid elsewhere, often no more than a coupe of strands of wire, sometimes with gaps leading to paths outside the designated nude area.
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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2016, 11:34:34 PM »
Almost all the nudist establishments I have visited have had solid fencing along the public road by the entrance but typically something less solid elsewhere, often no more than a coupe of strands of wire, sometimes with gaps leading to paths outside the designated nude area.


I have seen that too, John.  Often there are admonitions not to leave the property so that you aren't seen by neighbors who may complain about human beings being seen in the neighborhood.   The back side is permeable both directions if someone wants to go in or out.

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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2016, 10:52:24 AM »
last few days weve had stories in the media about an internet scam... a young women gets a male to send her a piccy or two then threatens to post pics on social media unless shes paid money. this has alledgedly resulted in several suicides.

it was on tv news last night whilst we were eating tea... had a bit of a discusion about it with our 19 year old... basically on the lines of one willy looks pretty much the same as another so why stress about a piccy being posted online.

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« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2016, 10:55:10 AM »
I have seen that too, John.  Often there are admonitions not to leave the property so that you aren't seen by neighbors who may complain about human beings being seen in the neighborhood.   The back side is permeable both directions if someone wants to go in or out.
Exactly the same, although I have never seen those admonitions.
In many cases the fencing isn't even peep proof or high enough to stop passing trucks and buses seeing in.

The picture shows me at the roadside by one of the more solid parts of Euronat's fencing.
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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2016, 01:38:58 PM »
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basically on the lines of one willy looks pretty much the same as another so why stress about a piccy being posted online.

I think the scam has been based on the victim being conned into some sort of sexual performance and showing their face rather than just flashing their willy. But the same principle applies - because people are so hung up about their genitals, and expect others to be censorious about it,  they're vulnerable to being blackmailed over it.
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« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2016, 10:38:11 PM »
The State of Arizona has a statute now making it a crime to post nudes of another person without permission. It came from the several suicides of teenagers, whose "lives were over" at school. There have always been photo release contracts, even for clothed individuals.

Used to be that any photo was taken in ones Sunday best and for posterity. It was taken professionally, or then Kodachrome cameras, etc. Everyone smiles. People stand in groups, they pose, they stand taller and straighter. One could be embarrassed by a bad photo, it could give a bad first impression, or it could be an issue of just plain vanity. Last month, someone posted a bad pic of me naked with a drum between my legs, sitting. My stomach was bulging, the angle was not flattering. The next thing that I know, it shows up on MY Facebook page! I have other friends and associates, other lives that I don't care to muddle with a reputation as "the pudgy nudist." I chose to delete it and figured out how. To be candid, what bothered me the most, was the vain notion that it misrepresented my body.

DF and I make a point of leaving our faces off of nude photos, so that they won't be lifted and used for some other sexy interest, like "Real Nekkid Nudes tumbler dot something. I don't think that either of us have a problem with anyone seeing our real deal live nude bodies, unless it was a dirty minded jerk making catcalls and being lewd. Still, pics are posterity and can misrepresent, so I go through and make sure we look good enough, or not distorted before publishing on my website.

In general, I suspect the vast majority of people look at a fresh pic that they are in and critique themselves. They will always choose the one that they feel that they look best in.

I found an internet pic of DF and a friend at a resort function one day. It was from behind, not particularly flattering, but no permission was asked. It was taken on the sly. We had conversation with them minutes before. I may or may not confront the person who took the pic someday (I figured out who). Even at the Rainbow Gathering, one of the most anarchistic gatherings around, people asked for permission politely. We told them sure, just don't post on the internet. There was a sneeky youtube movie posted of us, dancing nude in the crowd and then playing in the snow, by another, however. That is like a drone. Whether I'm clothed or not, I still like my privacy. Just ask me politely and most likely I have no problem with it.

What I do in my yard is My business and my choice to share. Some people get defensive and even violent when someone snaps a pic without permission. It probably isn't worth the trouble. There are common feelings there among us, justified, or not. 

 There are the other privacy issues that are being violated by drones, not just the kid next door. Where I spend my time and with who, my papers and coorospondence, what I read, who I like, what I eat, my politics, all of these and more are mine and me. I don't belong to any government. Drones take freedom, like NSA reading my email, my library lists, and tracking me. My privacy is protected in the Constitutional Bill of Rights.
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« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2016, 11:00:22 PM »
In the crowded UK drones are the least of our problems - it is well documented that there are now more surveillance cameras then the entire population - more than one each, not to mention all the phone cams.
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« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2016, 01:23:59 AM »
In the crowded UK drones are the least of our problems - it is well documented that there are now more surveillance cameras then the entire population - more than one each, not to mention all the phone cams.


The surveillance cameras are becoming ubiquitous everywhere.  In numerous situations I have had to assume that my naked image is stored on the memory chips of one or more surveillance video camera.  When I take my pants off next to my car in a gas station to drive naked, the surveillance cam records it all.  When I get out naked at my storage to load some stuff, the dozens of surveillance records every move.  When I go in the hotel hot tub naked, or down the hall to get ice, I'm recorded.  They are everywhere.

My response is to assume that 1. nobody watches most of the video cams.  2. So what if I'm seen naked.  We need to get seen naked until naked bodies become unremarkable. 



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« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2016, 04:32:00 AM »
Yep, too many to watch. Many are loop feeds and the images disappear. At least it is not illegal to be naked, just to be seen by others naked who happen by. The last time that I went past one nude, I bent over and spread my cheeks.
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« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2016, 06:10:35 AM »
The cameras are encouraged and made acceptable by the TV cop shows which have the bad guys tracked all over town and identified by the camera feeds. Because all this surveillance catches the bad guys it must be good, right?
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« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2016, 09:35:00 AM »
dont believe everything you see on tv , a lot of the cameras are too low quality to identify people