Vestiphobia

[nuduke]

Scratchy, itchy, slimy, confined in dirty bacteria soaked cloth. or chemical synthetic detergents, causing rashes and eventually cancers and other toxic metal and chemical buildup conditions.

I'm clothed today due to having been out and its a bit chilly.  Whilst I'd rather be nude, I don't have quite such an extreme reaction to my clothes!  Quite comfortable really!  Clothing is an option in the clothes optional life, y'know, Jbee!
John


Note: For the avoidance of doubt this is humour - I am NOT advocating wearing clothing!!!

[jbeegoode]

As the Fall weather is approaching here, the temperature has finally dropped down to a high of only 100F. The clothing option is a very bad option, in these types of conditions. Even in the interior of homes, the expense of cooling because of clothing use is a horribly expensive and unnecessary option. The clothing option just doesn't make sense.

Imagine being a police officer in uniform clothing plus body armor under it! Those people stink! Yah, know there are rashes, rot, and unhealthy discomfort, even as they look to arrest one of us for going out without clothing.
Jbee

[nuduke]

A high of 100f!!!  That's HOT.  We never get that hot even in heatwaves!!  Best we can expect is about mid 80's f and then only rarely.
I think I would both relish the Arizonan climate and wilt in the heat simultaneously!!
John

[jbeegoode]

The high is only a short few hours in the afternoon, siesta time in the shade. Shade is a significant factor. The rest of the day in a low of 75F-ish during a sunrise at 5am-ish. Up until noon, it might get into 90's. Most of the time is 80's into 90's. That's pretty good. In shade, if ya got it, very comfortable, naked. The concrete isn't even broiling bare feet in the shade at 100F.

...AND very important, "It's a dry heat!" Evaporation with perspiration make a huge difference and a body needs plenty of cool water, which help to cool, too.

Lack of clothing makes the major difference. A body just naturally knows what to do and how to like the heat. A nice breeze, or electric fan also helps the processes along. Sometimes on the afternoon trail, I have felt like getting on my knees in gratitude when a cloud passes over and a light breeze...but the round is hot and it is better to make the best of the reprieve.

From experience in the sauna at extreme temps, I know that a bandana helps hold heat in and the body adjusts better, homeostasis. A hat with a brim does this and shades from the sun as well. Also, a dry sauna shows sweat, but a wet sauna produces condensation all over a body and is tougher to handle.

So, imagine 10% or 20% humidity, instead of that humidity that you have in those wet forests. Then, imagine all of those damn days when it is over 100F and ridiculous 104F and 110F much of the day, or those intersections, where exhaust and asphalt and hot motors raise the temps into the 120F or 130F ranges. Yes, we long for comfortable days of 80F's and 90F's. IT FEELS WONDERFUL!

On Sundays, after a 170F or 180F sauna sweat coming out into the air is down right springtime, when the temps are less than 101F.

Swimming pool!
Jbee

[nuduke]

Yes, I think that's a good point - the high heat of the day is a peak not a constant and shouldered by very nice, livable temperatures, so maybe I'd take to Az sun after all!
John

[jbeegoode]

Currently 98F at 4pm a nice light breeze. The sweat is 170F. It is very comfortable especially in the shade. After a round in te sweat, it will feel like springtime.
Jbee

[Safebare]

Here in SE Texas during the month of August we had high temperatures hovering around 105F. Nighttime temps would get down to the mid 80s if we were lucky. Humidity stayed above 80% through most of that. Walking into my 80F home from the outside felt like a walk-in cooler at the local beer store. The ac must lower the humidity before dropping the temperature. It's not fun.
My outdoor shower is a welcome respite, well that and my neighbor's pool.
I grew up here, without ac. The house had an attic fan and dad finally broke down and got ac in our 1960 Valiant, but he never would use it. My '66 F-100 didn't have any such luxury.
Today, September 4th is a nice 85F, with 70% humidity. Forecasters are predicting a rare September cool front this weekend, but hedge that with several disturbances in the Atlantic that might pull a trick or two on our weather.
I am pretty much bare all day, while I manage the many tasks to keep this place maintained. I repaired and painted the outside wall of the garage and work to keep up with the yard work on my 3 acres. Working nude from my tractor seat is my healing place. Neighbors be damned!
I've had visitors stop by, all knowing my clothesfree proclivities. I would simply stop what I was doing and greet them wearing only sweat. I kick myself for not going immediately to the shower, so that the wetness would be less organic as I greeted them. LOL
One of my favorite songs is "Today" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgDBimECkOE) by John Hartford. I agree that August can be, and often is, a bitter month. You should also give a listen to "Should have worn my Birthday Suit" from the same album.
But now we have survived and have the fall season in sight. September is destined to be a busy month.
Next week is my birthday week. Starting off with a Burner Church Night on the 11th. I am hosting with a rented waterslide (20'), of course it will be clothing optional. WNBR is on the 14th, so we'll have another opportunity to bare all while peddling around the concrete jungle of this big city.
All this and then getting the sailboat back in the water. I can't believe it's September and the boat has not been in the water yet this year.
Sorry for the rabbit trail and thanks for enduring the ramblings.
~Safebare

[Greenbare Woods]

My wife and I own two 10 acre plots (adjoining east and west) where there are several other 10 acre plots with other residents. We all live about 10 miles from the nearest town. 

Last week I was talking to one of my neighbors.  She has 10 acres adjoining my western 10 acres.   A couple of other friends were also there.  Somehow the conversation drifted around to going naked (skyclad) outside in summer.  I mentioned that I am very often naked on my land doing lawn care, cutting firewood, etc.  Someone asked if the recent construction and occupation going on south of my eastern 10 acres (where my house is) has limited my nudity outside.  "What difference would that make?" I asked.  "No difference at all," said my neighbor woman.  I commented that she has likely seen me occasionally while on my walkabouts to the other end of my western 10 acre land and back.  "Many times.  No problem," she replied., "What someone does on his own land is nobody else's business."   

Yesterday I was taking some trash out to our dumpster along the public road to the east of our land.  While there I paused to pull a couple of invasive weeds growing near the dumpster.  My back was turned toward the road and when I looked up again a blue sedan was approaching.  The driver smiled and waved.  Out here it's customary to wave when meeting neighbors on the road.  I smiled and waved back as he passed within about 10 yards of my happy naked body.  It's been my long experience that most clothists enjoy seeing uncovered humans.  We are a very social species, and we all enjoy seeing each other. 



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[nuduke]

How nice to have an emancipated and accepting neighbour, Bob. 
I'm not sure how either of our neighbours would react when I'm out naked on my 1/10th acre garden where its easy to be overlooked.  Fortunately we have a very secluded back garden although some of it is overlooked by one neighbour from a less used upstairs room (well, I assume it is less used!).  In recent years I have just been oblivious as to whether they see me or not and if they do...so what?  I'm within my rights under UK law and peaceably not harming anyone.  On the other side we are masked by a row of trees in the spring/summer but overlooked by a bedroom window in the winter...again, tough if you see me, the occasions are rarer in winter.  I fancy one of my neighbours whom I get on well with would not be pleased to find he is living next to a naturist.  I don't know if he'd try to do anything about it but my advice to him is...well, don't look!  I'd relish the comfort of knowing they don't mind though.  My other neighbour is new-ish and I don't know them so well.


Bob, re your dumpster.  Is waste collected by a public authority or do you buy into a service privately?  Do they provide for recycling in your area where you separate different materials into different bins or does all the trash go in one dumpster.  How often is it emptied? Most counties in the UK today have some measure of recycling where there are several bins for sorting and segregating plastics and recyclables (such as glass), for paper and card and for general waste.  Soon there will be national provision for segregation of food waste in addition.  It's a pain in the a** having 4 bins and separating the waste in the house for binning outside later but one feels one is doing one's bit for the environment.  The recycled plastic goes to making more drinks bottles, more waste bags and other plastic products such as playground surfaces; the paper gets recycled to more paper and the general waste is sent to an incinerator power plant to generate electricity.  I like that thought that the inconvenience at home is rewarded by better recycling and avoiding some of the evils of landfill dumping.  It's also nice to see you are maintaining your lately won sylph-like figure!
John

[Greenbare Woods]

How nice to have an emancipated and accepting neighbour, Bob. 
I'm not sure how either of our neighbours would react when I'm out naked on my 1/10th acre garden where its easy to be overlooked.  Fortunately we have a very secluded back garden although some of it is overlooked by one neighbour from a less used upstairs room (well, I assume it is less used!).  In recent years I have just been oblivious as to whether they see me or not and if they do...so what?  I'm within my rights under UK law and peaceably not harming anyone.

Local law in my homes state of Washington, USA, has no law against nudity either, unless you are doing "something indecent" or attempting to harm someone else. Most of my neighbors live out here instead of in town because they value freedom from constant government oversight.  So, if I'm naked it's just part of personal freedom.

Bob, re your dumpster.  Is waste collected by a public authority or do you buy into a service privately?  Do they provide for recycling in your area where you separate different materials into different bins or does all the trash go in one dumpster.  How often is it emptied? Most counties in the UK today have some measure of recycling where there are several bins for sorting and segregating plastics and recyclables (such as glass), for paper and card and for general waste

Many questions.  We pay a service.  They collect once per week.  We got the small dumpster when we were building the house, but it's been convenient ever since.  Only rarely does it ever get filled completely.

There isn't a market for most kinds of "recyclable" materials.  The big city used to require separate bins, but they gave up because they couldn't find anything useful to do with scrap plastic, glass, paper, etc.  They do have a large incineration facility that burns garbage and uses the heat to generate electricity.  The commercial trash company takes our rubbish there. 


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  Soon there will be national provision for segregation of food waste in addition.  It's a pain in the a** having 4 bins and separating the waste in the house for binning outside later but one feels one is doing one's bit for the environment.  The recycled plastic goes to making more drinks bottles, more waste bags and other plastic products such as playground surfaces; the paper gets recycled to more paper and the general waste is sent to an incinerator power plant to generate electricity.  I like that thought that the inconvenience at home is rewarded by better recycling and avoiding some of the evils of landfill dumping.  It's also nice to see you are maintaining your lately won sylph-like figure!
John

I sort aluminum and iron, and take that directly to a recycle place.  Since there is no viable commercial market here for all the other stuff it just goes to the incinerator. 

[nuduke]

That's very illuminating, Bob (particularly re incineration!!).
I'm surprised at the indifference to recycling in WA.  Here in the UK there is a huge move to reuse plastics, particularly.  Water bottles go round several times apparently!
John

[jbeegoode]

I find that it was costing me about 8 dollars each to get a kitchen bag full of garbage removed every ten days or so. We eat mostly unprocessed food (for health), so there is little waste. We compost using a Japanese method for our organic garden. The glass, I take down to recycle once a month, or more.

There is a new program which takes all of the plastics and crushes it into building materials. Straws and the lot.

Clippings are either composted by me, or sent to the large composting company.

I got rid of my trash service. I take it over to add to a friends garbage, who has lots of trash to pick up, due to their lifestyle.
Jbee

[Safebare]

I try to get people to change their words. I do not throw anything away, I send certain things to the landfill, while recycling, reusing or composting the vast majority of my refuse. Of course my bodily waste goes into the septic system, dust, dog hair and other household debris is thrown out back for the birds to use in their nests. Most of what goes to the landfill is litterbox debris. I can't answer why I don't add it to the manure pile. lol!

I am constantly working with the reuse pile. I seem to believe that everything, once past its prime can be rejuvenated into something new. Experience is trying to teach me the fallacy in this way of thinking. I can make a roll of paper towels last a year. They just aren't my 'go-to' for normal chores.

My job in college was working at a furniture store downtown (small town). One of the older employees, probably about the age I am now, would go into the restrooms to collect paper towels from the bins. He would dry them, fold them and place them back in the box for later use. That was someone who lived through the depression.

It gave me a perspective on things that affects me to this day.  I park my car in the weather, so that I have room for the recycling. No, that's not smart, but it's the compromise I have chosen.

Stay Safe, Stay Bare.

[Greenbare Woods]

I just watched a YouTube about recycling plastic containers.   The energy cost is higher for recycled,. They have to have a line of humans sorting plastic on conveyors. Lots gets discarded.  Then it gets washed 3 times in hot water. Then it gets chopped and melted, made into pellets.  The energy and efficiency costs are lower for new plastic.  It's done for feel good reasons, not for environmental savings. 

[Safebare]

Yes, Bob, you are absolutely correct. It costs $$$ to recycle. It may not make economic sense because of our twisted capitalism. Landfills are cheap, not because of land value, but because of the enterprises that manage them. The cost of recycling plastic should be part of the cost of the product, not some downstream catchup system.

It costs $$$ to protect the natural resources of this great earth that we are the current custodians. If that costs a few extra $$$, then that is the burden we MUST bear. It isn't so much about climate change as it is about doing what is the right thing to do.

~Safebare