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Turnbull National Wildlife Reservation.
« on: March 14, 2017, 04:46:47 PM »
Well yesterday our weather warmed up to about 46 F (about 7C) and light rain, but I'm so tired of being indoors the past several months that I went out naked to the nearby National Wildlife refuge.  Most of the snow is finally melted. 

I was actually surprised by how many other visitors were there yesterday.  In the past I've been there and not seen anyone else.  Yesterday there was someone at the gate sign in and pay place when I arrived naked.  I drove past and came back a few minutes later.  They drove the same 5 mile tourist loop road that I was on.

The other car was stopped at one of the parking spots when I drove past.  I figured I had some time before they caught up.














The other care drove past just as I was returning to my car from the boardwalk.  I'm not sure if they noticed me a way off the road.  They kept going. 

Two more cars were driving in when I left.  For a rainy spring day it was crowded.  I've been there on beautiful sunny days and not seen anyone.  I'm speculating that other people were as tired of being indoors all winter as I was.


When I got home I went out to inspect my lawn.  It can use some sunshine. 



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Re: Turnbull National Wildlife Reservation.
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2017, 11:21:59 PM »
How long did you manage before you had to jump back in to the comfort of the heater?
46 F and no sun? Hopefully no wind either.

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Re: Turnbull National Wildlife Reservation.
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2017, 12:36:53 AM »
How long did you manage before you had to jump back in to the comfort of the heater?
46 F and no sun? Hopefully no wind either.
Duane

Several 10 minute excursions out from my warm car.  46F and rain gets cold pretty quickly. 

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Re: Turnbull National Wildlife Reservation.
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2017, 05:41:01 PM »

Wow Bob!  Just discovered Greenbare site.  You are a bold one!  How many sites do you operate?
You seem, for reasons I can quite see, a tad over occupied with the business of recording public conveniences and what you do therein.


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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2017, 07:50:31 PM »

Wow Bob!  Just discovered Greenbare site.  You are a bold one!  How many sites do you operate?
You seem, for reasons I can quite see, a tad over occupied with the business of recording public conveniences and what you do therein.


Big tick for freedom of speech!


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I like to think of it as pushing the whole of body acceptance.   

I started the Greenbare site when I got booted from "flickr".   Having my own site makes it easy to post photos here and some other places.   

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Re: Turnbull National Wildlife Reservation.
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2017, 10:49:41 PM »

Yes, that's what I took out - Nothing about bodies needs to be taboo so why treat anything as such.  If nothing is taboo why not show it.  Showing it in a picture is not about the body itself - it is about what the picture is about. That's what I think you are trying to say, with a dose thrown in of freedom to say it any way you like (i.e. pictures).


I was not offended by any photo nor did I experience feelings of taboo - although your sphincter on page 3 was unexpected!  That's where the penny dropped about what you were on about.


Anybody else amongst the FRN forum feel differently?


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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2017, 03:59:54 AM »

I was not offended by any photo nor did I experience feelings of taboo - although your sphincter on page 3 was unexpected!  That's where the penny dropped about what you were on about.
John


Some body parts are still taboo even among nudists.   All the more reason to make them visible in public.

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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2017, 06:21:21 AM »
I have to agree pretty much with your thinking, Bob.

Butt Dude, the asshole just got bigger and bigger! There's casual observance of body parts, butt then there's a rectal exam! I'm pretty sure that you won't be selling much advertising space.
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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2017, 01:05:43 PM »
I have to agree pretty much with your thinking, Bob.

Butt Dude, the asshole just got bigger and bigger! There's casual observance of body parts, butt then there's a rectal exam! I'm pretty sure that you won't be selling much advertising space.
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So am I confronting a taboo head on, or turning my back on the taboo?   When a person goes to one of these trailheads, the only building there is the toilet, and that is a solidly built concrete structure. The other things to see other than the parking lot is a sign.   The expensive and solidly built toilet building is obviously the most important feature there. Its also taboo to talk about and taking photos is frowned upon.

Being the only building implies that using the toilet building is the most important human activity at these trailheads.  Peeing is an activity that all humans engage in several times every day.  Pooing is not as common but all healthy humans do that about once every day.  Humans also always feel better after having done so.  We aren't supposed to talk about it, and never take pictures of those parts of your body.  Facebook abounds with pictures of food being eaten, but a photo of the other end of the normal body process, or even the body parts that perform the other end of the process will get you kicked off of Facebook. 

Meanwhile, the toilet building is the most important feature at every state park because every person wants to use its unseen and unmentionable facilities with his unmentionable and unseen body process several times every day.  My web photo site picture of the anus is about life size, washed and clean.  Unusual to see such a photo because its so taboo. That's why its there, to confront taboos. 

As for photos of the toilet buildings at trailheads, that's really an interesting (to me) study in architecture.  The amount of energy and concern a culture devotes to its toilets is a measure of how much they respect their bodies and themselves.  One of the first toilet buildings I actually noticed was at a US Forest Service camp at Prince Creek on Lake Chelan in Washington State, USA.   Prince Creek is about 10 miles by boat from the nearest road.   I was there at about age 17 or so.  Their toilet building was a proverbial "stone outhouse."  The walls were foot thick stone.  It had two sides, male and female, and each side was a "2 holer," set up for two men and/or two women to take a dump side by side.    It had no running water, just a pit underneath.  I was amazed at the amount of time and labor which had gone into creating the large stone building so far from anything.  In those days they probably got a total of 5 or 6 visitors per month and only in summer.  I was amazed to see it there. 

Other places are poorly built shacks or filthy little hidden rooms.   One can tell a lot about how much people care about themselves (and their customers) by the care they take in providing for human bodies. 

Since the advent of digital cameras, with free pictures, I've started including pictures of the toilet building in my hiking photo collection.  Along with the parking space and sign board, it is the most prominent feature at most every established public trailhead.  They are often unique, different from all the rest, a unique signature of that one trailhead, an architectural feature reflecting the culture that built them and its priorities. 

I didn't include pictures of the toilet building in this trip report, just the sign boards.  The sign board is the other thing one can photograph at each trailhead parking space.  I see that the toilet building got into JB's linked trip report about camping at Arivaipa Canyon, although when photographed the building is being used as shade by cows rather than human occupants.   

My photo web page provides a quick exit link "Get me out of here" for those who are offended by the taboo pictures.

Bob





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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2017, 08:34:51 PM »
When practical, I prefer to create my own public works projects in the woods. As inconvenient as it may be, it feels and smells more organic and biodegradable.  It is also much easier to deal with when nude. The boxes are more a solution for over population and those ignorant of forest craft, like defecation.

Because of the current attitudes of nudity and by extension waste management, the boxes are also created with these factors in mind. I have a friend who has a two seat composting  “shitter” as an outhouse. She is comfortable sharing it. She is also a practitioner of colonics and used to the less lovely in ones life. I have also experienced the most primitive of ditches and composting facilities that were placed with a truly remarkable and entertaining view of a vista. Ones more akin to a meditation seat and very enjoyable. I am much more attracted to such when the rest of the day and area is naturist oriented. Sometimes it feels like it goes hand in hand. Those boxes no matter how well kept strike me as nasty and I want to be clothed inside of them.

The one pictured in my trip report with the cows was little used and well kept, an exception. I could almost use it barefoot. The doors worked well so I wasn’t as concerned about looking for rattlesnakes and harmful insects. It is uncomfortable at times to enter a box nude and have someone drive up while you are busy, trapping the illegal nude. I usually opt to take a stroll in nature to a place for a olfactory discrete splash. I will do that here at home, marking my territory instead of walking inside. I enjoy that.

Bob, I’ve got a 40” TV, less than 5 feet away for a computer monitor. When that shot popped up, I was about to jump and run! Life size, MY ass!

You certainly have taken on a taboo head on. Such shots are pornographic to some people. Some consider it particularly intimate and get excited viewing the opposite sex…and same sex. Just like other body parts, the same stripping principle applies within the perverse textile mind. Your placing this into your website is certainly naked. It isn’t what I care to see, but ain’t sumpin’ I haven’t seen before. It is certainly free range opposed to the sensibilities of many social nudists and naturists alike.

Yea I once commented on a porta-potty like facility at Lake Patagonia, surrounded by cowpaddies:
https://thefreerangenaturist.org/2017/01/06/lake-patagonia/#more-2179
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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2017, 09:00:06 PM »

The one pictured in my trip report with the cows was little used and well kept, an exception. I could almost use it barefoot. The doors worked well so I wasn’t as concerned about looking for rattlesnakes and harmful insects. It is uncomfortable at times to enter a box nude and have someone drive up while you are busy, trapping the illegal nude. I usually opt to take a stroll in nature to a place for a olfactory discrete splash. I will do that here at home, marking my territory instead of walking inside. I enjoy that.


I also enjoy going outside especially for water.  Its beneficial for plants, lawns, trees.  The "boxes" are at developed trailhead and camping areas where concentrations of people and thus human waste would be a sanitation problem.

When i lived in Los Alamos, New Mexico, the most popular book at the local bookstore was "How to Shit in the Woods."   It was a humorous guide to dealing with universal needs.  The author's first suggestion was to find a location with a magnificent view.  I have always agreed with that.

Sorry about your 40 inch screen.  On a regular size computer desk screen its about life size.  Its intended to push the envelope of body acceptance. 

Bob



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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2017, 09:05:12 PM »
Here's a sort-of trip report about a spot I've enjoyed, Green River Reservoir in northern Vermont, based on multiple visits, none of them very recent. Now way out of date as far as camping fees are concerned! But connoisseurs of the genre will appreciate the description of sanitary facilities.

https://naturist.neocities.org/Grr/grr.htm

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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2017, 09:25:17 PM »
Nice site John P.
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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2017, 02:49:12 PM »
But connoisseurs of the genre will appreciate the description of sanitary facilities.
https://naturist.neocities.org/Grr/grr.htm

Beautiful camping site John.  I wouldn't worry about people across the lake with binoculars.  The Mosquitoes would bother me though.  The little nasties tend to have a hatching which is hell for a couple of weeks, and then the numbers diminish.  I love the sanitary facilities too.  Very thoughtful of the campground management and a pleasant experience for campers.  Thanks for sharing.

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« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2017, 11:24:34 PM »

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I'm pretty sure that you won't be selling much advertising space.
Jbee ??? :)


Laughed my socks* off at that one!


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