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Re: Turnbull National Wildlife Reservation.
« Reply #45 on: April 14, 2017, 07:11:08 PM »
Bread is a carbohydrate and is quick energy. Meats and dairy are proteins and a longer term energy and pack more bang for the buck. I don't get feeding an army on bread. No wonder they needed so much flour. Less energy per ounce with bread than or more per ounce with protein.

Obviously they didn't understand dietary science they way we do.
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If you ship meat it 1. transports itself, and 2. doesn't spoil.    An army could ship 14 tons of fresh meat using 1 boy and a couple of dogs.  14 tons of flour take carts and such. 

With that said, the Roman Army soldier's kit supposedly included a small grinder for grain to make flour and then bread. 

Armies on the march have typically taken food from local peasants when they passed by.  Peasants always hated them. 


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« Reply #46 on: April 14, 2017, 09:44:25 PM »
Armies on the march have typically taken food from local peasants when they passed by.  Peasants always hated them.
The crusaders wrecked more havoc feeding themselves crossing Europe than they ever did when they got to the Holy Land.
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« Reply #47 on: April 14, 2017, 11:27:17 PM »
Grain stores, hides and stashes well for extended periods. It doesn't require feeding and it is food for meat in the winter. It probably was available to steal, and what time of year was this?

Many crusader mounted knights ended up walking through the Holy land, having something to eat that needed to be fed, too.
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« Reply #48 on: April 17, 2017, 05:53:12 PM »

Blimey!  I've unleashed a monster! 
I was just innocently and it seems uncritically reporting what I'd learned from this documentary. 
I have no idea whether it's right, but from the posts so far there is every indication we could create an entire University faculty to deal with the controversy arising.
Hurrah for our unremitting pedantry!  See my data size estimate in 'Drone Update' thread - that should create at least an new chair and some post docs!
 
The loaves were huge, apparently, Bob, feeding 5 people per day per loaf.  On the programme they baked one they estimated was the size baked back then. It was very big!


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« Reply #49 on: April 17, 2017, 09:35:37 PM »
I guess I can see bread as a daily bread! You can stuff it in a pocket and eat it while walking. Meat takes longer to cook.

At least they could keep moving with no loafing!

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« Reply #50 on: April 17, 2017, 09:44:26 PM »

Quote from: eyesup
with no loafing
Oh Crumbs!  Another crusty old pun!
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« Reply #51 on: April 18, 2017, 07:22:15 AM »
I guess I can see bread as a daily bread! You can stuff it in a pocket ...

I refer the reader to the previous conversation about where to put the car keys ...

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« Reply #52 on: April 18, 2017, 07:16:06 PM »
Ok, I was reading some of the previous posts looking for Peter's 'car keys' reference and ran across this one by Bob.

I heard an opinion on TV just this week that sanitation was the greatest change in medical treatment ever.
Bob, you speak truth!

Last year we watched an episode of, American Experience, a TV documentary series – Murder of a President.
Described as “The life of President James Garfield, including his rise to power and the aftermath of his assassination.”

The movie informs of some of the details of the 2nd American President to be assassinated. I had never read much about him as he was in office only 5 months when he was shot. What is curious about the story is that if the details are followed, strictly speaking Garfield was not assassinated. He died of poor medical treatment administered because of a non-fatal gunshot wound.

The physician Dr. Doctor Willard Bliss, his 1st name was indeed Doctor, a rather ominous portent, refused to accept the new and emerging study of antiseptic methods advocated by Joseph Lister. The unfortunate events that occurred as a result of his choosing to advocate homeopathy resulted in his aversion to “new ideas”. He didn’t buy Lister’s assertions on the dangers of infection. He never once in all his treatments of Garfield used any kind antiseptic procedures.

It took 2-1/2 months for Garfield to die of a heart attack because of the massive infection. Do any reading on James Garfield and you will see how true it is that small incidents trigger big change. Considering what we know of the policies Garfield was discussing and the fact that he was fought in the Civil War on the Union side, we can only speculate where America would be today. A series of events that would certainly have piqued the interest of James Burke.

Another oddity is that two famous quotes have passed into American culture, “His name is Mudd” and “Ignorance is Bliss”. Both are the result of the aftermath of American Presidential assassinations about 15 years apart.

I love these kinds of historical tidbits.

Duane

P.S. I still haven't found Peter's reference. (hint, hint) ;)

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Re: Turnbull National Wildlife Reservation.
« Reply #53 on: April 18, 2017, 08:34:50 PM »
Sorry to interrupt anyone's bliss, but:

Regarding "[Someone's] name is mud", it's nothing to do with Lincoln's assassination:
http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-nam1.htm

And that other phrase comes from Thomas Gray, Ode on a Distant Prospect of Eton College from 1742:
To each his suff'rings: all are men,
         Condemn'd alike to groan,
The tender for another's pain;
         Th' unfeeling for his own.
Yet ah! why should they know their fate?
Since sorrow never comes too late,
         And happiness too swiftly flies.
Thought would destroy their paradise.
No more; where ignorance is bliss,
       'Tis folly to be wise.