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AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
« on: April 10, 2017, 07:21:34 PM »
I saw this article on the AANR having an official opening of their new offices in Kissimmee, FL, USA. I wondered about all the clothes they seem to be modeling for the photo. WTF is that? How nude is the Nudist organization?

Why aren't the AANR people naked? Not even for a promotional photo? Not a single naked person in the photo.

If they want to be an organization for people who live naked, work naked, and believe in being naked, what are the actually promoting by living and working wearing clothes? Makes no sense to me.   Seems like they could promote body acceptance and normal human nudity a lot better by being naked at work. 

Its even more important if the public comes into their offices and sees them working either naked or clothed. 


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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2017, 09:25:55 PM »
I wonder what the law says about a business's employees being naked.
Is it illegal to be naked in a business where they are likely to be seen by the public?

I think that would be a great place to work!

I agree with Bob. Any organization that doesnít walk itís talk should be seen skeptically.

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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2017, 10:25:06 PM »
To the best of my knowledge both BN in Britain and FFN in France also have textile offices.
I have been told that this is mainly because of the difficulty in recruiting suitable naturist staff in the locality.
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Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2017, 10:29:56 PM »
I stopped in at the AANR office, but

it

was

clothed.

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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2017, 03:03:10 AM »
The article with picture originally appeared in the local paper, I see, when I click "Here" for full article. No nude pics would be in that rag. The office is on Main Street, I notice. Nude ribbon cutting is illegal there, I believe.

The "12!!!" employees 12! being dressed, I suppose gives a less casual more business impression to others, that nude. They do each have a private office, perhaps there is some leeway? I would think that they would be with that old ANNR frame of mind. It is all about recreation. It is not so much about lifestyle or better health (the next article is about melanoma and staying out of the sun). Recreation is done in "places for recreation" which is at resorts, etc, where they make commerce. They are a business organization supporting businesses, and business people, which is about money and looking busy and responsible. To them nude is just recreation, not having anything to do with work. Free range is a bit much for many of the staff.

There are like three or four people being paid by TNS and lots of support by volunteers. I would figure that they are dressed during business meetings with outsiders sometimes, too, to be practical. Their offices are in freezing Wisconsin, too.

These people in the picture might be found at the local naturist resort the next weekend, nude. I'm pretty sure that that is Bev Price in the pic. Could any one help me out with that? It is blurry and I've never seen her with her clothes on. ;D She has been on the board of both TNS, ANRR and Canyon State Naturists' and done some naturist business ventures, too.

I see ANRR as old school, and doesn't represent my interest in a lifestyle, truth , justice and change as it should. There is just too much energy being focused on the concept of being penned up and making a buck.

To balance, it must be said that the latest issue of "N" magazine tells how ANRR was also involved in a forest service ruling procedure in Oregon. I believe that a local naturist business was on the Fed property which was potentially being threatened.
Apparently the TNS rep said what was needed to save the day, like the facts from the TNS polls.

And while I mention that article, may I drift completely off topic and mention that it told how lax the Forest Service and BLM, ie. Feds are about nude in the parks and Fed lands. It sounds like, as with my conversation with our local ranger, that mere nudity is defacto legal away from the main campground areas, because they don't have time nor inclination for the hassle. I suspect that I'm going to be more relaxed in the Fedlands this year than last year.

If I was to go on TV to put my points out on naturism, I'd probably wear clothes. I might show pictures of me and/or others in the nude doing something. People would make a circus out of me otherwise. They wouldn't be listening. I would look out of place. They would project all of their fears on me. Most wouldn't identify with me, just the opposite blocking their thinking. I would become an easy target to the opposition. Some things just need to be done incrementally, carefully. Even Mahatma Gandhi wore clothes for practical reasons, but other times opted out. Like that, I suppose that I could see them wearing clothing. BUT, I still haven't figured the reasoning for resort employees to be wearing clothing.

So, my take...maybe that clears something up for someone.
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Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2017, 10:08:11 AM »
The BN office in Northampton is totally clothed. BN employs people who have no naturist experience, and by and large they do a great job. All EC meetings are clothed. There are two reasons, one the offices are overlooked and whether anyone likes it or not the staff want to get on with their neighbours. Its a working day and somehow clothes seem appropriate. Our own club committee meetings are always clothed too. Some may not like or understand that, but it just seems appropriate.

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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2017, 03:19:31 PM »
The BN office in Northampton is totally clothed. BN employs people who have no naturist experience, and by and large they do a great job. All EC meetings are clothed. There are two reasons, one the offices are overlooked and whether anyone likes it or not the staff want to get on with their neighbours. Its a working day and somehow clothes seem appropriate. Our own club committee meetings are always clothed too. Some may not like or understand that, but it just seems appropriate.
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Several years ago I was involved with an AANR affiliated group, a group that didn't have land and a resort.   One of my frustrations was how difficult it was to get the other members to be naked.   Their business meetings were clothed too.  They held an annual day hike to a local hot spring and while they would get naked in the spring they all insisted on hiking clothed on the 2 mile trail.   They made an annual trip to Valley View Hot Spring in Colorado.  www.olt.org. I would camp naked for 3 days, but the rest of the club would only be seen naked for a couple hours in the springs.  One of my major reasons for dropping my membership was their lack of wanting to live a naked lifestyle.  They talked the talk but didn't walk their talk.

I remember reading that the President of the INF resigned after their annual meeting where he was the only naked person out of hundreds.  It was shortly after that when I dropped out of the AANR affiliated club.  From what I've read recently of INF politics, it seems like the controversy between "nude recreation" farms and promoting nude lifestyle is still ongoing in the big organizations.  People who want to promote nudity in general as a way of life are fighting the factory farm recreation people. 

I'm sure they have many excuses for supporting textiles at their offices, at their meetings, and in their daily lives.   In a week they could find 100 people who would move across America to Kissimmee to work naked if that was their desire, but the organization is about factory farm recreation, not living naked.  Its who they are.   Its not who I am. 
 

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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2017, 03:35:56 PM »
I like the " AND" rather than the "OR" word. There are indeed two types of naturism, the club scene and free range naturism. Some do one, others both.

I love visiting a club or event and I love free range naturism. I was out walking the Derbyshire, or I may have ventured into Cheshire high up across the moors on a chilly but exhilarating day with the temperature between 8 - 10 deg. C It was marvellous.

We have to cater and accept all types and our employees who work damn hard for us need their rights respected too. I belong to non-naturist organisations too and I know that employees of these are not members, we just pay them to do the job for us. I see no problem with this, if it contributes towards my naturism and acceptance of naturism in general. I don't see it as a contentious issue.

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« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2017, 08:22:26 PM »
I stopped in at the AANR office, but

it

was

clothed.

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« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2017, 09:53:33 PM »

On the few occasions I have been to a naturist club (about 4) or event (e.g. AHG), I have noted that the staff serving food, manning the desk and what not are clothed amongst the unclad naturists.  Odd.  There's maybe a health & safety argument about preparing food but an apron is all that is needed for that.
Is it so difficult to find naturist staff?
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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2017, 12:27:01 AM »
Quote from: Davie
We have to cater and accept all types and our employees who work damn hard for us need their rights respected too. I belong to non-naturist organisations too and I know that employees of these are not members, we just pay them to do the job for us. I see no problem with this, if it contributes towards my naturism and acceptance of naturism in general. I don't see it as a contentious issue.
I agree with regard to the "option" to be naked. But if you work at a nudist/naturist oriented office you should be willing to be at ease with working with naked people and naked people coming and going.

I was wondering, in my post, about any run of the mill office. I seem to remember a show done where the employees worked naked for a time. What about when clients and customers came into the office.

What's the law say about that? . . . hmmmm . . .  curiouser and curiouser!

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« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2017, 09:21:34 AM »
Somewhere like Abbey House Gardens, where the clothing is only occasionally optional, the staff are unlikely to be naturist-inclined, though I know that at AHG they had to be nude-tolerant because of their employers. So they were obviously accepting of nakedness for the CO days without wanti to partake (though on one visit I did see one of the gardeners working nude). But I agree that an organisation representing naturists should at least have a clothing optional policy round the office, and anyone working there would need to be naked-tolerant. While many office visitors would be naked-tolerant, too, some system would need to be developed for those whose visit was not related to the office function, such as deliveries and maintenance.
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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2017, 04:21:19 PM »
We have to cater and accept all types and our employees who work damn hard for us need their rights respected too. I belong to non-naturist organisations too and I know that employees of these are not members, we just pay them to do the job for us. I see no problem with this, if it contributes towards my naturism and acceptance of naturism in general. I don't see it as a contentious issue.
Davie  8)


My experiences at nudist or clothing optional places has been much the same as Davie.  The staff is often clothed while the customers are often naked.  However, the management of the place sets a standard.  If they work naked around the grounds it tells all the CO people that clothes are more or less expected much of the time.  And vice versa if they work naked. 

Some years ago I read a news story from California.  The state legislature was passing a law to prohibit nude bar/club waitresses, but included an exception for nudist club bars where the patrons were expected to be naked.  I don't know how many nudist clubs in California have food and drink service, or if their servers work naked. 

I'm struck wondering what would happen if the organizations advertised "nude office work" among their members?   Would they have lines of naked members wanting a job?   Is it legal for an organization to preferentially hire members first? 

There once was a relatively small nudist magazine called "Naturist Life."  I think it was published in New York, USA.  The publisher required the staff to work naked, and said so in his "help wanted" solicitations.  He always seemed to get plenty of people wanting the job. 

I would bet that AANR or BN could hire people willing to work naked if the management wanted to work naked.  Its a management situation, not an employee situation.

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« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2017, 04:58:05 PM »
To me the picture looked like the typical Chamber of Commerce stock ribbon cutting newspaper photo with the usual cast of characters;  someone from the city/county government,  a chamber board member and the muck a mucks from the business. It's a photo op to brag to the public "See the new jobs/ business we're bringing to the area!".

I don't know what laws or local ordinances apply here. Maybe a clothed receptionist to the public view with a sign that warns you may encounter nude office staff beyond this point?  As Bob pointed out, I wonder if it would be difficult to get staffing willing to work naked.  It didn't seem too difficult to find topless baristas at the coffee shop or even near here naked bar tenders at a local gentleman"s club.   
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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2017, 06:46:50 PM »
If a business want to succeed it must have the right skills on staff to do that.

Maybe screening for both skills and a CO tolerance is just too restrictive.

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