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« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2017, 07:31:45 PM »
There's nothing usual about this. We don't expect staff in a football club's office to wear football kit, or staff in a uniformed organisation like say Scouts, St John's Ambulance etc. to wear uniform. We don't employ them to be one of us, we just need them to do as we ask, and yes being sympathetic to the host organisation is important, but they don't have be part of us.

I do muse however whether meat eaters are employed at the Vegan Society's HQ. Could make lunch time interesting. More importantly it could also be an interesting study about discrimination and employment law.   

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« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2017, 08:00:52 PM »
What about the lady in Kentucky that wouldn't sign the marriage license because she didn't approve of the marriage? People should be hired to perform the duties assigned, but we seems to be venturing away from that. Case in point is the employer that would not provide health insurance benefits for contraceptives.
Sorry for the drift. I think the clothes worn at work reflect more of a uniform for the job than any deliberate effort and it is established by the bosses. The supervisors want to project their status which is one primary reason people wear clothes. Employees follow the lead of those bosses. So, everyone dresses their part.
At the Rainbow Gathering I only wore pants when I went to the CARE tent. I didn't really think about it and doubt anyone would have cared. Part of it was probably due to my habit of donning FD coveralls when responding to emergency calls in the real world.

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« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2017, 09:39:33 PM »
I am starting to get the impression that the state should be called ARIDZONA.
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« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2017, 12:32:52 AM »
I am starting to get the impression that the state should be called ARIDZONA.
JOhnGw! We allow ourselves blatant, outlandish and amazing topic drift. This may be a step further, perhaps too far, to topic hijacking to my understanding...Where did that come from, or did I miss something? ....Anyway, I was taught that Arizona meant arid zone and may Arizonans believe that to be so. But, here are some facts from the net:

Arizona hits the century mark today, a cause for celebration and curiosity about how the state got its name.

Some historians and museum curators say the word "Arizona" derives from the words "small stream" in the language of one of the oldest southwest American Indian tribes.

Others say it means "arid zone" and possibly "good oak tree."

Bernard G. Siquieros, education curator at the Tohono O'odham Nation Cultural Center and Museum, says the etymology of Arizona is linked to his people's language, who call themselves the Desert People, formerly known as the Papago.

Siquieros said that long before the Spaniards and Americans arrived in the southwest, the Desert People's dialect, which derives from the Uto-Aztecan language group, had a strong presence. The Desert People had names for landmarks such as streams, mountains, hills and basins, Siquieros said.

The O'odham word "al son" with a dot on the bottom of the s, creates the "sh" sound, Siquieros said. O'odham elders often use the word to describe the once-flowing Santa Cruz River, he said. "Al son" evolved into Arizona.

Historian Malcolm L. Comeaux, author of "Arizona," also said the state's name means "the place of little springs" in the language of the O'odham.

Comeaux said the state's name can be traced to a place southwest of Nogales. The "Indians called (the place) Arizonac, meaning 'the place of little springs.' "

In his book, Comeaux said a silver strike occurred in the area in 1736 and Spaniards searching for riches moved there, calling their camp Real de Arizonac. The "c" was eventually dropped.

"The whole area was soon known by the Papago word, and in time, the name was give to an entire state to the north," Comeaux said.

Historian Thomas E. Sheridan, author of "Arizona, a History" agreed that the discovery of silver brought Spaniards to the mining camp Arizonac.

In his book Sheridan wrote, "the name may have come from two Piman words, 'ali' and 'shonak,' which mean 'small springs.' " Alternatively, he said, the name may have come from "prominent Basques in the area who may have called the camp 'valuable rocky places' (arritza onac) or 'good oak' (aritz onac)."

Marshall Trimble, Arizona's official historian, confirmed that there are several versions of the origin of the word "Arizona."

"Ali-Shonak" is a "Tohono O'odham word meaning 'Place of the Small Springs,' " Trimble said. "Ali Shonak didn't roll off the Spanish tongues easily, so they corrupted it to Arizonac and when the Americans arrived more than a century later, they corrupted it again to 'Arizona.' "

Trimble said that the late Don Garate of the Tumacacori National Park claimed that Arizona derives from a Basque word.

According to Garate's "Arizona A Land of Good Oak Trees," the state's name is Basque with a straight forward meaning.

"Ariz" is oak tree, "on" is good and "a" is the, and it means the good oak tree, according to Garate.

But there are flaws in that interpretation, Trimble said.

"Once we all agree the term was used when the Spaniards ruled, then it would have been Zona Arida, noun first, adjective following," Trimble said. "In addition, the spot where the (silver) mine was located was at an elevation above 5,000 feet. Five varieties of oak trees grow there, and they do not grow in an arid climate."

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/centennial/news/articles/2012/01/17/20120117arizona-name-origins-unclear.html#ixzz4eAgngBnU

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« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2017, 06:38:04 PM »
Yeah, big drift!  :)

Jbee, I think JOhn accidentally posted that ARIDZONA here instead of one of your trip reports.

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« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2017, 06:48:09 PM »
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People should be hired to perform the duties assigned, but we seems to be venturing away from that.
The "Strange Case of The Lady That Refused To Do Her Job" is a prime example of management caving in to public opinion. She should have either been transferred or fired. She refused, for personal reasons, to do the job she was being paid to do. The county officials went brain dead for several weeks, possibly permanently.

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Case in point is the employer that would not provide health insurance benefits for contraceptives.
The privately owned company running it's business as IT sees fit is not an employee. It is the entity that makes it's rules for it's own reasons. Since they are not publicly traded they get to do that.

The whole idea of nudity being as acceptable and normal as any other MODE of dress is appealing. I could certainly see some issues if a company chose to do that. Long time employees that would have objections would have a legitimate personal complaint but probably not a legal one if that type of nudity were legalized.

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« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2017, 06:55:59 PM »
The whole idea of nudity being as acceptable and normal as any other MODE of dress is appealing. I could certainly see some issues if a company chose to do that. Long time employees that would have objections would have a legitimate personal complaint but probably not a legal one if that type of nudity were legalized.
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I agree Duane.   I would imagine that NUDIST organizations would be leading the way on the idea of nudity being as acceptable and normal as any other choice.   Apparently that isn't how they work.

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« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2017, 07:10:32 PM »
Yeah, big drift!  :)

Jbee, I think JOhn accidentally posted that ARIDZONA here instead of one of your trip reports.

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I did - mea culpa.
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« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2017, 05:45:43 PM »

JBee,
Very interesting stuff on the naming of Arizona and happy birthday to it!
However - all wrong - it's named after its discoverer Harry Zoner an illiterate forty-niner with no sense of direction!  ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2017, 02:34:16 AM »
 ;D I'll run that by the ivory tower down at the Uni and see if it floats.
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« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2017, 09:29:03 PM »
The BN office in Northampton is totally clothed. BN employs people who have no naturist experience, and by and large they do a great job. All EC meetings are clothed. There are two reasons, one the offices are overlooked and whether anyone likes it or not the staff want to get on with their neighbours. Its a working day and somehow clothes seem appropriate. Our own club committee meetings are always clothed too. Some may not like or understand that, but it just seems appropriate.

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To add a little to that, the BN staff are not naturists themselves, but they do occasionally work away from the office at the big naturist events and are happy to be surrounded by naked people.

EC meetings at the office are (in my experience) all clothed, but that's not always the case at other locations such as the pre-AGM EC meetings at the various BN Conferences.

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« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2017, 10:08:47 PM »
All of the BN staff are not naturists themselves!?! Clothed in amongst nudes?! My head is just not making connections. It just doesn't make sense. Leadership needs to be done by someone most familiar with the activity. Maybe, just a few in the tribe? Do they feel too self conscious to stand before someone naked and be behind a counter feeling on display? It does not compute. It doesn't promote....

How could that work?

Incidentally Nib, it does my heart good to see your smiling avatar and see your input. Seems to have been awhile.
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« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2017, 10:34:46 PM »

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Incidentally Nib, it does my heart good to see your smiling avatar and see your input. Seems to have been awhile..

It has been a while!
I second that sentiment most heartily.
Nigel, you have been very distant...come back to the fold, we are still nattering vigorously and would greatly welcome your views and input as in ancient days!
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« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2017, 09:42:52 AM »
I might add to Nigel's comments that the BN staff are purely administrative and have no policy input.
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« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2017, 10:35:23 AM »
The BN staff work in a small office, doing office stuff. They are recruited from the general pool of potential employees. I've seen staff at various naturist events and it is apparent they soon accept the situation of general nudity, and some go on to embrace it. The staff at hotels, lifeguards etc. all remain clothed at naturist events. Staff at commercial sites do too. It really isn't a problem. As employers we don't insist on a uniform of no clothes or indeed any other uniform.

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