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From Eden to Paradise Part 1: A Trip Report
« on: May 28, 2017, 06:22:37 AM »
In May, we stopped in at Eden Hotsprings for the last gathering of the season. We spent two days and then began our exploration of the west entrance to Aravaipa Canyon. You may remember two previous posts at the eastern entrance describing it as paradise. What a glorious place.

We had to contend with difficult weather, but it was still a paradise. This part of the canyon could probably be described as somewhat more dramatic.
https://thefreerangenaturist.org/2017/05/28/from-eden-to-paradise-part-1-a-trip-report/
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Re: From Eden to Paradise Part 1: A Trip Report
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2017, 04:45:49 PM »
Another excellent write up Jbee plus it gives me an idea. Maybe I should try to follow a stream by walking in it's bed if there is no path.  I'll have to wait until this weather settles down as we have streams running high plus the threat of flash floods at this time. I know in August we'll be praying for rain but with over five inches this month plus what we've had before things are over saturated.
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Re: From Eden to Paradise Part 1: A Trip Report
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2017, 06:12:51 PM »
An amazing place, Jbee! I was reacting to your describing the stream walking and the impending storms. I am always aware of that danger here. High canyons prevent you from seeing an oncoming storm which was making me antsy reading it. I always scope out where the high ground is when doing that.

Nudewalker, I walk in the dry streams in the desert. It provides a natural trail and allows me to stay off of the cryptobiotic layer as much as possible. With a gravel bed it is also an amazing form of exercise for the leg muscles. Like walking in sand on the beach.

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Re: From Eden to Paradise Part 1: A Trip Report
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2017, 08:08:57 PM »
Yep, always the high ground. It can be raining miles away, when a roaring deluge from it engulfs the entire area, bank to bank, brown water. We were concerned about this in the night on an earlier trip to the east end. The lightening lit up like daylight, the thunder was horrific above, the showers and wind pounded and caved down the dome tent. We could hear water begin to rush in the nearby stream, but could see nothing of it. The unknown was scary. We only knew that a monsoon storm would typically pass in an hour or two, which it did. We took torches (flashlights) and walked naked in the night as things calmed to inspect the flow. It was never a threat, but we didn't know.

This time of year, we wouldn't expect such a storm. We had seen them in the distance, they were intense, but not as in summer, they were local and moving. Still, we don't know, what the odd weather patch can deliver. We pitched on high ground, that looked like it hadn't gotten a huge one in years and knew where to run if catastrophe hit. All along the creek, I watched for signs of previous high waters. I have seen the brown waters there. I know it during monsoon. Ankle deep can be shin high and slow moving, much slower. In this camp spot, the channel is very thin and would fill up higher in the squeeze, but it is a straight shoot after a bend. A large rock outcropping forms a barrier directing water away from a U shape cove, so that the sand builds up, but the thrust of the flow passes by. It would have to be quite a rain to wash us away. The trees had been there quite awhile, anchoring the sand. It was just burst of cold and wind chill, and pass by. We never knew if one would sustain or not. The canyon channel, I suspect, also created extra breeze, Bernoulli style.
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Re: From Eden to Paradise Part 1: A Trip Report
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2017, 09:25:35 PM »

Wow, rain!  How unusual for your reports, JBee.
I second others remarks, that was a good report. 
Uniquely, one of the pictures has you facing the camera.  Have you implemented a change of policy re face in pictures?  Is this a new freedom of retirement?


A couple of other questions - I note also you went in DFs car.  Is your red 4WD sick?
Are you using the very light kit you so painstakingly assembled and invested in last year.  Looking at the well stuffed light blue but thin nylon-looking backpack in the photo where you are clothed and passing a sign, on Monday, I would say that you were using the light kit but with more stuff taken for this longer trip so not quite achieving the totally minimalist camping gear.  Am I right about that detail? :)


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Re: From Eden to Paradise Part 1: A Trip Report
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2017, 12:48:11 AM »
I've never witnessed a flash flood but have friends that have. I keep an eye out for debris caught on bushes and trees for a reliable indicator. Exposed roots indicate erosion near a stream bed.

In my younger days a storm came over the opposite side of the canyon while a friend and I were rock climbing. We were a good 90-100 ft. up on a ledge, so no danger from flooding. But when the lightening started we dropped every bit of our gear and moved as far away from it as possible. The packs loaded up with metal equipment were not our friends at the moment.  ???

Watching the water sheeting off the slopes and cliffs was amazing. Small waterfalls all over the place. My camera was in the pack. I was ok with that. :D And it was a refreshing short shower that cooled us and the canyon off.

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Re: From Eden to Paradise Part 1: A Trip Report
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2017, 02:20:30 PM »

Wow, rain!  How unusual for your reports, JBee.
I second others remarks, that was a good report. 
Uniquely, one of the pictures has you facing the camera.  Have you implemented a change of policy re face in pictures?  Is this a new freedom of retirement?


A couple of other questions - I note also you went in DFs car.  Is your red 4WD sick?
Are you using the very light kit you so painstakingly assembled and invested in last year.  Looking at the well stuffed light blue but thin nylon-looking backpack in the photo where you are clothed and passing a sign, on Monday, I would say that you were using the light kit but with more stuff taken for this longer trip so not quite achieving the totally minimalist camping gear.  Am I right about that detail? :)


John
That is the DF and Jbee share the load and have some luxury for a few days and fine food setup. About 10 pounds, plus water load, each, ultralight.

 I'll be reviewing the use of that SUL super ultralight load of 5 to 6 pounds for an overnight in a bivy rig in the next couple of weeks. I just did a couple of trips to Romero Canyon with it and will publish one with the focus on that experiment, or shall I say equipment test. It is for solo, or out with someone else on overnight trips. It is very light, but very austere. I'm rarely without DF, but the use will increase with this retirement/more healthy exercise health thing that I'm adjusting to.

The forever-runner is running fine, needs a pair of new expensive tires and to be washed. DF's ricerocket is better (twice on the highway) on gas and easier, more comfortable to drive on a road trip. All we took was two backpacks and a cooler, which fit into the Honda easily, naked as possible, I suppose. The roads were highway and well graded dirt. There was no need for 4x4.
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Re: From Eden to Paradise Part 1: A Trip Report
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2017, 02:30:12 PM »
I've never witnessed a flash flood but have friends that have. I keep an eye out for debris caught on bushes and trees for a reliable indicator. Exposed roots indicate erosion near a stream bed.

In my younger days a storm came over the opposite side of the canyon while a friend and I were rock climbing. We were a good 90-100 ft. up on a ledge, so no danger from flooding. But when the lightening started we dropped every bit of our gear and moved as far away from it as possible. The packs loaded up with metal equipment were not our friends at the moment.  ???

Watching the water sheeting off the slopes and cliffs was amazing. Small waterfalls all over the place. My camera was in the pack. I was ok with that. :D And it was a refreshing short shower that cooled us and the canyon off.

Duane
Yea, those canyon wall waterfalls can be a surprise. Like the ones that dye the rock black for telltale evidence. Some really pour. I saw a youtube video of a large one flowing into Lake Powell...somewhere...It was awesome scary. I was surprised to discover that they can be more of a threat than flooding. They are more usual as they just flow during rains. Flash flooding in major arteries happens less often, like 100 year floods and every few year flash flooding.

Sounds like you had an exciting memorable time.
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Re: From Eden to Paradise Part 1: A Trip Report
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2017, 03:48:40 AM »
We were driving through Capital Reef Nat. Park a couple years ago when we drove into a storm. The road was in a canyon and we pulled over to watch water shooting out 20-30 feet, occasionally onto the road, as it came off the cliffs at high velocity.

30 min. later it was all gone.
Amazing show in addition to the lightening and wind.

Duane

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Re: From Eden to Paradise Part 1: A Trip Report
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2017, 12:59:57 AM »


JBee,
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luxury for a few days and fine food setup. About 10 pounds, plus water load, each
That's still amazingly light for all that time plus tent and all.
Be interested in pics of the 5lb pack for comparison


That area is very green and moist compared with closer in to Tucson e.g. Catalinas, Mt Lemmon and Saguaro Nat Park or even round Reddington Pass.  Were you at a higher elevation?

John
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Re: From Eden to Paradise Part 1: A Trip Report
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2017, 10:23:51 PM »
There is a continual spring that feeds the canyon for 10 or 15 miles. It opens up into the San Pedro River. There is water flowing all year long and more when it rains. Up out of the canyon it immediately becomes desert, similar to Tucson. Those cliffs are often a thousand feet high. So above, it goes from saguaro to high grassland at about 4000 ft.

Those hills have been getting more rain during monsoon seasons in recent years. The pattern has often been to wrap around through there on the way to Tucson. It used to just come thundering from the Southeast, like a wall of water into Tucson.

Nuduke, I'll have a new Trip Report/post dealing specifically with that pack system and a trip up to Romero Pools with a friend of ours, IF I figure out how to transfer these pics from phone to computer. I'll be taking photos of the gear tonight.
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