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Re: Working on the Land
« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2017, 06:57:36 AM »
All very fascinating and interesting theory Bob, but the science debunks each of these.
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« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2017, 11:18:19 PM »
The generally accepted year of the Fall of Imperial Rome is 476 AD. It had collapsed mostly from external pressures and corruption within. Emperor Justinian (ca. 527-565) was attempting to rebuild the Roman Empire when these events happened. He actually was having moderate success when these two calamities occurred. Some think that he wouldn’t have succeeded in any event, but the two happening so close together can’t be ignored. He died in 565 and within 100 yrs. the spread of Islam ended any likelihood of an empire being rebuilt.

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Blaming it on this volcano or that volcano ignores the huge hot object in our sky that keeps our planet warm.
If we didn’t have the particular atmospheric concoction we have, this planet would resemble Mars. We also have something Mars doesn’t, the Van Allen Belts. Which, curiously, are the result of the dynamo generated by the molten core of the earth which is the source of the energy system that makes plate tectonics possible which is the source of volcanoes which periodically cause mass extinctions. See The Big Five Mass Extinctions. I point you specifically to the Permian Extinction of 251 mya, which is attributed to the Siberian Traps event nearly 200 mya.

In 1991 Mt. Pinatubo in the Philippines erupted. It charged the atmosphere with enormous volumes of sulfur dioxide and dropped the worldwide temperatures 1º. Almost 10 km^3 of material came out of the volcano. The Proto-Krakatou event is estimated at 200 km^3. With a 1º drop with 10 km^3, how much would 20 times that much cause?

The geologic record in the Indonesian Islands shows a massive event in the 6th century. A possibility exists that the Dark Ages were triggered by this eruption. Too much sun can kill just like too little can.

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Most probably its the sun that causes it all and none of the scapegoats have ever been responsible for any of it.
The Van Allen belts protect us from that big hot object in the sky and prevents the solar wind from stripping the atmosphere from the planet. Astronomers will tell you that as a star gets older, it gets hotter and more active. Our sun is getting hotter. This is normal. Sunspot activity is one way they monitor solar activity. There was a drop in spot activity late in the 17th century, right at the end of the Little Ice Age, called The Maunder Minimum, the coldest period of that icy event.

The reason I mention all of this is because we were speaking of how one thing in the environment, and in this case culture, leads to another. There is seldom a singular cause. It was a barrage of things that culminated in a catastrophe. Those that search for a single cause seldom find one. Usually, over time, many causes are discovered.

I try to stick to the science sites, but sometimes the personal opinions of other enthusiasts can be fun to read and every now and then a nugget is discovered. But I generally don't use them as sources. The science is backed by hard data.

For me, this is something I enjoy doing. Looking for connections.

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« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2017, 03:51:21 AM »
While there is a lot of "science" good and bad attempting to explain why the earth's temperature has changed.  Here is a graph showing best science about actual global temperatures over the past few thousand years.

For whatever reason, human civilizations have thrived and prospered during warm periods.  Huge advanced in technology and civilization coincides with warm periods.  During cold periods the great empires broke down and millions of people died of famine and disease. It doesn't take much of a knowledge of human history to observe the correlation. 

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« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2017, 10:55:58 PM »

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it would break the law to be buried naked in many places
Totally sad.  What prude would deny the deceased a last wish and such an innocent one too just because their society has hang ups about naturism.  So hypocritical considering the awful music choices some people have played at their funerals!  In a quiz programme today, I learned that in the UK from a survey by one of the largest funeral director chains, that 'My Way' by F. Sinatra esq. was the most requested funeral music.  Paradoxical when you think that most people conform to norms for everything and therefore definitely did not do it their way!


I don't mind how I'm dealt with after death because I'll be dead and so not bothered!
I shall encourage my offspring and/or spouse to put me in a bin bag and chuck me in the rubbish skip.  I don't want people wasting a lot of money disposing of my remains.  I guess cheapest coffin and cremated then scattered to the winds would be the most thrifty.
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« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2017, 11:45:12 PM »
Nice graphic, Bob! Correlation’s abound!  :D

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« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2017, 11:55:21 PM »
Funeral ceremonies and such are for the survivors. The dead are occupied elsewhere.
The more money that is spent the more puzzling it is.

But everyone has to deal with in their own way.

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Re: Working on the Land
« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2017, 12:08:02 AM »

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But everyone has to deal with in their own way.
Quite so, Duane, and if those left behind want to give me a magnificent send off with posh coffin, coach & black horses and a luxury boiled ham sandwich & tea afterwards, prior to expensively compressing my body into a diamond under extreme heat and pressure, I shall be equally unaware.  Let them do what is best for them. I agree. Not my wish though.  Simplicity of disposal for me!
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Re: Working on the Land
« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2017, 08:19:22 PM »
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. . . prior to expensively compressing my body into a diamond under extreme heat and pressure . . .
And you would sparkle forever! ;)

Though, using avg. weight and density of a human and converting that using the density of diamond, that rock would clock in at about 22,680 ct.

What a weigh to go, but I wouldn’t broadcast that idea too much!  :D

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« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2017, 02:08:05 PM »
now tuesday lunch time and we seem to be having some fine weather... was in a customers back garden in the village yesterday afternoon ... client was going out for a couple of hours, at first glance garden was overlooked from about 10 nearby upstairs windows,  soon realised that the overgrown flower bed i was clearing , next to a 6 foot panel fence was actually a waist height black hole not visible from any of the windows... a totally unexpected 2 hours naked gardening.

this morning ive been round the burial ground and adjacent garden, nigh on 3 hours naked mowing and bramble trimming.

nothing cast in stone for this afternoon ... might mow some of my own grass

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Re: Working on the Land
« Reply #39 on: July 28, 2017, 01:50:04 AM »

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that rock would clock in at about 22,680 ct
Err...I don't think they process the whole body, Duane!
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« Reply #40 on: July 29, 2017, 04:48:50 AM »
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Err...I don't think they process the whole body, Duane!
Actually, I came to that number using the weight of an average male human body after cremation which, according to the internet, is about 10 lbs. And it’s partially carbonized!

With 1 gram being equal to 5 carats, do the math. Though I don’t know if there is any mass loss in the process of compression under that much heat.
So! Your assertion of there being many engineering types here appears to be true! :D

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Re: Working on the Land
« Reply #41 on: July 31, 2017, 10:58:59 PM »

Would not the value of diamonds plummet with that amount of converted corpse?  Does your figure include the coffin ashes too?
I think you should look here, Duane:
http://www.heart-in-diamond.co.uk/
The key quantity is:
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Our laboratory specialists need ⅔ cup (or about 3.5 oz.) of cremated ashes or ½ cup (or about 0.07 oz.) of hair for each order you’d like. You can combine both samples.  If you don’t have the precise amount of hair or ashes available, don’t worry. Your memorial diamond can easily be created with additional generic carbon.
I also found this article about firm Algordanza and their attractively named founder!
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When a man of 80 kilos is cremated, he becomes 2.5 kilos of ashes,” Rinaldo Willy explained. “With these ashes, we make a diamond of 0.2 grams, smaller than a button on your shirt. How heavy is the soul—if we have a soul
The latter remark could keep the topic going for a few centuries!  I once worked out the dimensions of a bit of data* but I never had a soul to weigh. Evidently it's 21 grams http://www.noeticscience.co.uk/the-weight-of-the-soul/


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* I calculated the size of data as follows:  Take a typical King James Bible.  Count the letters, each of which becomes 8 data bits when digitised.  That no. of bits fits onto a proportion of a memory stick chip (say 4Gb).  The proportion of data on the chip can be correlated with the size of the chip thus working out the dimensions of data (a).  Using the dimensions of the example typical bible (or any book by the way, I chose the bible because the geeky stats such as number of letters are readily available whereas Encyclopaedia or Oxford dictionary stats are not), we can also calculate how the use of data has economised on space versus a physical book (b).  The results were a) very weeny indeed and b) a lot! (it was a long time ago I did this!!)

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Re: Working on the Land
« Reply #42 on: August 01, 2017, 07:30:08 PM »
Good Lord, John. I thought you were joking about the diamond idea.

That is strange and a kind of disturbing trend.

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Re: Working on the Land
« Reply #43 on: August 01, 2017, 09:05:09 PM »
Cripe! I don't know how to take that. What a service concept!

So finally my body gets to go everywhere naked?!?

"Beautiful diamond Rene." " Oh that's just ol' uncle Albert."

It is a bit weird, but I suppose that its okay...for someone else. A portable funeral alter, for the ages...

Gotta think on this one...let 'er settle a bit.
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