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Naturism => Factory Farmed Naturism => Topic started by: Bob Knows on April 10, 2017, 07:21:34 PM

Title: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: Bob Knows on April 10, 2017, 07:21:34 PM
I saw this article on the AANR having an official opening of their new offices in Kissimmee, FL, USA. I wondered about all the clothes they seem to be modeling for the photo. WTF is that? How nude is the Nudist organization?

Why aren't the AANR people naked? Not even for a promotional photo? Not a single naked person in the photo.

If they want to be an organization for people who live naked, work naked, and believe in being naked, what are the actually promoting by living and working wearing clothes? Makes no sense to me.   Seems like they could promote body acceptance and normal human nudity a lot better by being naked at work. 

Its even more important if the public comes into their offices and sees them working either naked or clothed. 


http://www.aanr.com/downloads/newsletter/March-Undressed-Press-FINAL.pdf
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: eyesup on April 10, 2017, 09:25:55 PM
I wonder what the law says about a business's employees being naked.
Is it illegal to be naked in a business where they are likely to be seen by the public?

I think that would be a great place to work!

I agree with Bob. Any organization that doesnít walk itís talk should be seen skeptically.

Duane
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: JOhnGw on April 10, 2017, 10:25:06 PM
To the best of my knowledge both BN in Britain and FFN in France also have textile offices.
I have been told that this is mainly because of the difficulty in recruiting suitable naturist staff in the locality.
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: John P on April 10, 2017, 10:29:56 PM
I stopped in at the AANR office, but

it

was

clothed.
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: jbeegoode on April 11, 2017, 03:03:10 AM
The article with picture originally appeared in the local paper, I see, when I click "Here" for full article. No nude pics would be in that rag. The office is on Main Street, I notice. Nude ribbon cutting is illegal there, I believe.

The "12!!!" employees 12! being dressed, I suppose gives a less casual more business impression to others, that nude. They do each have a private office, perhaps there is some leeway? I would think that they would be with that old ANNR frame of mind. It is all about recreation. It is not so much about lifestyle or better health (the next article is about melanoma and staying out of the sun). Recreation is done in "places for recreation" which is at resorts, etc, where they make commerce. They are a business organization supporting businesses, and business people, which is about money and looking busy and responsible. To them nude is just recreation, not having anything to do with work. Free range is a bit much for many of the staff.

There are like three or four people being paid by TNS and lots of support by volunteers. I would figure that they are dressed during business meetings with outsiders sometimes, too, to be practical. Their offices are in freezing Wisconsin, too.

These people in the picture might be found at the local naturist resort the next weekend, nude. I'm pretty sure that that is Bev Price in the pic. Could any one help me out with that? It is blurry and I've never seen her with her clothes on. ;D She has been on the board of both TNS, ANRR and Canyon State Naturists' and done some naturist business ventures, too.

I see ANRR as old school, and doesn't represent my interest in a lifestyle, truth , justice and change as it should. There is just too much energy being focused on the concept of being penned up and making a buck.

To balance, it must be said that the latest issue of "N" magazine tells how ANRR was also involved in a forest service ruling procedure in Oregon. I believe that a local naturist business was on the Fed property which was potentially being threatened.
Apparently the TNS rep said what was needed to save the day, like the facts from the TNS polls.

And while I mention that article, may I drift completely off topic and mention that it told how lax the Forest Service and BLM, ie. Feds are about nude in the parks and Fed lands. It sounds like, as with my conversation with our local ranger, that mere nudity is defacto legal away from the main campground areas, because they don't have time nor inclination for the hassle. I suspect that I'm going to be more relaxed in the Fedlands this year than last year.

If I was to go on TV to put my points out on naturism, I'd probably wear clothes. I might show pictures of me and/or others in the nude doing something. People would make a circus out of me otherwise. They wouldn't be listening. I would look out of place. They would project all of their fears on me. Most wouldn't identify with me, just the opposite blocking their thinking. I would become an easy target to the opposition. Some things just need to be done incrementally, carefully. Even Mahatma Gandhi wore clothes for practical reasons, but other times opted out. Like that, I suppose that I could see them wearing clothing. BUT, I still haven't figured the reasoning for resort employees to be wearing clothing.

So, my take...maybe that clears something up for someone.
Jbee
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: Davie on April 11, 2017, 10:08:11 AM
The BN office in Northampton is totally clothed. BN employs people who have no naturist experience, and by and large they do a great job. All EC meetings are clothed. There are two reasons, one the offices are overlooked and whether anyone likes it or not the staff want to get on with their neighbours. Its a working day and somehow clothes seem appropriate. Our own club committee meetings are always clothed too. Some may not like or understand that, but it just seems appropriate.

Davie  8)
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: Bob Knows on April 11, 2017, 03:19:31 PM
The BN office in Northampton is totally clothed. BN employs people who have no naturist experience, and by and large they do a great job. All EC meetings are clothed. There are two reasons, one the offices are overlooked and whether anyone likes it or not the staff want to get on with their neighbours. Its a working day and somehow clothes seem appropriate. Our own club committee meetings are always clothed too. Some may not like or understand that, but it just seems appropriate.
Davie  8)


Several years ago I was involved with an AANR affiliated group, a group that didn't have land and a resort.   One of my frustrations was how difficult it was to get the other members to be naked.   Their business meetings were clothed too.  They held an annual day hike to a local hot spring and while they would get naked in the spring they all insisted on hiking clothed on the 2 mile trail.   They made an annual trip to Valley View Hot Spring in Colorado.  www.olt.org (http://www.olt.org). I would camp naked for 3 days, but the rest of the club would only be seen naked for a couple hours in the springs.  One of my major reasons for dropping my membership was their lack of wanting to live a naked lifestyle.  They talked the talk but didn't walk their talk.

I remember reading that the President of the INF resigned after their annual meeting where he was the only naked person out of hundreds.  It was shortly after that when I dropped out of the AANR affiliated club.  From what I've read recently of INF politics, it seems like the controversy between "nude recreation" farms and promoting nude lifestyle is still ongoing in the big organizations.  People who want to promote nudity in general as a way of life are fighting the factory farm recreation people. 

I'm sure they have many excuses for supporting textiles at their offices, at their meetings, and in their daily lives.   In a week they could find 100 people who would move across America to Kissimmee to work naked if that was their desire, but the organization is about factory farm recreation, not living naked.  Its who they are.   Its not who I am. 
 

Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: Davie on April 11, 2017, 03:35:56 PM
I like the " AND" rather than the "OR" word. There are indeed two types of naturism, the club scene and free range naturism. Some do one, others both.

I love visiting a club or event and I love free range naturism. I was out walking the Derbyshire, or I may have ventured into Cheshire high up across the moors on a chilly but exhilarating day with the temperature between 8 - 10 deg. C It was marvellous.

We have to cater and accept all types and our employees who work damn hard for us need their rights respected too. I belong to non-naturist organisations too and I know that employees of these are not members, we just pay them to do the job for us. I see no problem with this, if it contributes towards my naturism and acceptance of naturism in general. I don't see it as a contentious issue.

Davie  8)
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: eyesup on April 11, 2017, 08:22:26 PM
I stopped in at the AANR office, but

it

was

clothed.

 ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: nuduke on April 12, 2017, 09:53:33 PM

On the few occasions I have been to a naturist club (about 4) or event (e.g. AHG), I have noted that the staff serving food, manning the desk and what not are clothed amongst the unclad naturists.  Odd.  There's maybe a health & safety argument about preparing food but an apron is all that is needed for that.
Is it so difficult to find naturist staff?
John
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: eyesup on April 13, 2017, 12:27:01 AM
Quote from: Davie
We have to cater and accept all types and our employees who work damn hard for us need their rights respected too. I belong to non-naturist organisations too and I know that employees of these are not members, we just pay them to do the job for us. I see no problem with this, if it contributes towards my naturism and acceptance of naturism in general. I don't see it as a contentious issue.
I agree with regard to the "option" to be naked. But if you work at a nudist/naturist oriented office you should be willing to be at ease with working with naked people and naked people coming and going.

I was wondering, in my post, about any run of the mill office. I seem to remember a show done where the employees worked naked for a time. What about when clients and customers came into the office.

What's the law say about that? . . . hmmmm . . .  curiouser and curiouser!

Duane


Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: Peter S on April 13, 2017, 09:21:34 AM
Somewhere like Abbey House Gardens, where the clothing is only occasionally optional, the staff are unlikely to be naturist-inclined, though I know that at AHG they had to be nude-tolerant because of their employers. So they were obviously accepting of nakedness for the CO days without wanti to partake (though on one visit I did see one of the gardeners working nude). But I agree that an organisation representing naturists should at least have a clothing optional policy round the office, and anyone working there would need to be naked-tolerant. While many office visitors would be naked-tolerant, too, some system would need to be developed for those whose visit was not related to the office function, such as deliveries and maintenance.
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: Bob Knows on April 13, 2017, 04:21:19 PM
We have to cater and accept all types and our employees who work damn hard for us need their rights respected too. I belong to non-naturist organisations too and I know that employees of these are not members, we just pay them to do the job for us. I see no problem with this, if it contributes towards my naturism and acceptance of naturism in general. I don't see it as a contentious issue.
Davie  8)


My experiences at nudist or clothing optional places has been much the same as Davie.  The staff is often clothed while the customers are often naked.  However, the management of the place sets a standard.  If they work naked around the grounds it tells all the CO people that clothes are more or less expected much of the time.  And vice versa if they work naked. 

Some years ago I read a news story from California.  The state legislature was passing a law to prohibit nude bar/club waitresses, but included an exception for nudist club bars where the patrons were expected to be naked.  I don't know how many nudist clubs in California have food and drink service, or if their servers work naked. 

I'm struck wondering what would happen if the organizations advertised "nude office work" among their members?   Would they have lines of naked members wanting a job?   Is it legal for an organization to preferentially hire members first? 

There once was a relatively small nudist magazine called "Naturist Life."  I think it was published in New York, USA.  The publisher required the staff to work naked, and said so in his "help wanted" solicitations.  He always seemed to get plenty of people wanting the job. 

I would bet that AANR or BN could hire people willing to work naked if the management wanted to work naked.  Its a management situation, not an employee situation.

Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: nudewalker on April 13, 2017, 04:58:05 PM
To me the picture looked like the typical Chamber of Commerce stock ribbon cutting newspaper photo with the usual cast of characters;  someone from the city/county government,  a chamber board member and the muck a mucks from the business. It's a photo op to brag to the public "See the new jobs/ business we're bringing to the area!".

I don't know what laws or local ordinances apply here. Maybe a clothed receptionist to the public view with a sign that warns you may encounter nude office staff beyond this point?  As Bob pointed out, I wonder if it would be difficult to get staffing willing to work naked.  It didn't seem too difficult to find topless baristas at the coffee shop or even near here naked bar tenders at a local gentleman"s club.   
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: eyesup on April 13, 2017, 06:46:50 PM
If a business want to succeed it must have the right skills on staff to do that.

Maybe screening for both skills and a CO tolerance is just too restrictive.

Duane
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: Davie on April 13, 2017, 07:31:45 PM
There's nothing usual about this. We don't expect staff in a football club's office to wear football kit, or staff in a uniformed organisation like say Scouts, St John's Ambulance etc. to wear uniform. We don't employ them to be one of us, we just need them to do as we ask, and yes being sympathetic to the host organisation is important, but they don't have be part of us.

I do muse however whether meat eaters are employed at the Vegan Society's HQ. Could make lunch time interesting. More importantly it could also be an interesting study about discrimination and employment law.   

Davie  8)
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: Safebare on April 13, 2017, 08:00:52 PM
What about the lady in Kentucky that wouldn't sign the marriage license because she didn't approve of the marriage? People should be hired to perform the duties assigned, but we seems to be venturing away from that. Case in point is the employer that would not provide health insurance benefits for contraceptives.
Sorry for the drift. I think the clothes worn at work reflect more of a uniform for the job than any deliberate effort and it is established by the bosses. The supervisors want to project their status which is one primary reason people wear clothes. Employees follow the lead of those bosses. So, everyone dresses their part.
At the Rainbow Gathering I only wore pants when I went to the CARE tent. I didn't really think about it and doubt anyone would have cared. Part of it was probably due to my habit of donning FD coveralls when responding to emergency calls in the real world.
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: JOhnGw on April 13, 2017, 09:39:33 PM
I am starting to get the impression that the state should be called ARIDZONA.
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: jbeegoode on April 14, 2017, 12:32:52 AM
I am starting to get the impression that the state should be called ARIDZONA.
JOhnGw! We allow ourselves blatant, outlandish and amazing topic drift. This may be a step further, perhaps too far, to topic hijacking to my understanding...Where did that come from, or did I miss something? ....Anyway, I was taught that Arizona meant arid zone and may Arizonans believe that to be so. But, here are some facts from the net:

Arizona hits the century mark today, a cause for celebration and curiosity about how the state got its name.

Some historians and museum curators say the word "Arizona" derives from the words "small stream" in the language of one of the oldest southwest American Indian tribes.

Others say it means "arid zone" and possibly "good oak tree."

Bernard G. Siquieros, education curator at the Tohono O'odham Nation Cultural Center and Museum, says the etymology of Arizona is linked to his people's language, who call themselves the Desert People, formerly known as the Papago.

Siquieros said that long before the Spaniards and Americans arrived in the southwest, the Desert People's dialect, which derives from the Uto-Aztecan language group, had a strong presence. The Desert People had names for landmarks such as streams, mountains, hills and basins, Siquieros said.

The O'odham word "al son" with a dot on the bottom of the s, creates the "sh" sound, Siquieros said. O'odham elders often use the word to describe the once-flowing Santa Cruz River, he said. "Al son" evolved into Arizona.

Historian Malcolm L. Comeaux, author of "Arizona," also said the state's name means "the place of little springs" in the language of the O'odham.

Comeaux said the state's name can be traced to a place southwest of Nogales. The "Indians called (the place) Arizonac, meaning 'the place of little springs.' "

In his book, Comeaux said a silver strike occurred in the area in 1736 and Spaniards searching for riches moved there, calling their camp Real de Arizonac. The "c" was eventually dropped.

"The whole area was soon known by the Papago word, and in time, the name was give to an entire state to the north," Comeaux said.

Historian Thomas E. Sheridan, author of "Arizona, a History" agreed that the discovery of silver brought Spaniards to the mining camp Arizonac.

In his book Sheridan wrote, "the name may have come from two Piman words, 'ali' and 'shonak,' which mean 'small springs.' " Alternatively, he said, the name may have come from "prominent Basques in the area who may have called the camp 'valuable rocky places' (arritza onac) or 'good oak' (aritz onac)."

Marshall Trimble, Arizona's official historian, confirmed that there are several versions of the origin of the word "Arizona."

"Ali-Shonak" is a "Tohono O'odham word meaning 'Place of the Small Springs,' " Trimble said. "Ali Shonak didn't roll off the Spanish tongues easily, so they corrupted it to Arizonac and when the Americans arrived more than a century later, they corrupted it again to 'Arizona.' "

Trimble said that the late Don Garate of the Tumacacori National Park claimed that Arizona derives from a Basque word.

According to Garate's "Arizona A Land of Good Oak Trees," the state's name is Basque with a straight forward meaning.

"Ariz" is oak tree, "on" is good and "a" is the, and it means the good oak tree, according to Garate.

But there are flaws in that interpretation, Trimble said.

"Once we all agree the term was used when the Spaniards ruled, then it would have been Zona Arida, noun first, adjective following," Trimble said. "In addition, the spot where the (silver) mine was located was at an elevation above 5,000 feet. Five varieties of oak trees grow there, and they do not grow in an arid climate."

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/centennial/news/articles/2012/01/17/20120117arizona-name-origins-unclear.html#ixzz4eAgngBnU

Jbee :o
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: eyesup on April 14, 2017, 06:38:04 PM
Yeah, big drift!  :)

Jbee, I think JOhn accidentally posted that ARIDZONA here instead of one of your trip reports.

Duane
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: eyesup on April 14, 2017, 06:48:09 PM
Quote from: Safebare
People should be hired to perform the duties assigned, but we seems to be venturing away from that.
The "Strange Case of The Lady That Refused To Do Her Job" is a prime example of management caving in to public opinion. She should have either been transferred or fired. She refused, for personal reasons, to do the job she was being paid to do. The county officials went brain dead for several weeks, possibly permanently.

Quote
Case in point is the employer that would not provide health insurance benefits for contraceptives.
The privately owned company running it's business as IT sees fit is not an employee. It is the entity that makes it's rules for it's own reasons. Since they are not publicly traded they get to do that.

The whole idea of nudity being as acceptable and normal as any other MODE of dress is appealing. I could certainly see some issues if a company chose to do that. Long time employees that would have objections would have a legitimate personal complaint but probably not a legal one if that type of nudity were legalized.

Duane
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: Bob Knows on April 14, 2017, 06:55:59 PM
The whole idea of nudity being as acceptable and normal as any other MODE of dress is appealing. I could certainly see some issues if a company chose to do that. Long time employees that would have objections would have a legitimate personal complaint but probably not a legal one if that type of nudity were legalized.
Duane

I agree Duane.   I would imagine that NUDIST organizations would be leading the way on the idea of nudity being as acceptable and normal as any other choice.   Apparently that isn't how they work.

Bob
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: JOhnGw on April 14, 2017, 07:10:32 PM
Yeah, big drift!  :)

Jbee, I think JOhn accidentally posted that ARIDZONA here instead of one of your trip reports.

Duane
I did - mea culpa.
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: nuduke on April 17, 2017, 05:45:43 PM

JBee,
Very interesting stuff on the naming of Arizona and happy birthday to it!
However - all wrong - it's named after its discoverer Harry Zoner an illiterate forty-niner with no sense of direction!  ;D ;D ;D
John
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: jbeegoode on April 18, 2017, 02:34:16 AM
 ;D I'll run that by the ivory tower down at the Uni and see if it floats.
Jbee
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: nib on April 18, 2017, 09:29:03 PM
The BN office in Northampton is totally clothed. BN employs people who have no naturist experience, and by and large they do a great job. All EC meetings are clothed. There are two reasons, one the offices are overlooked and whether anyone likes it or not the staff want to get on with their neighbours. Its a working day and somehow clothes seem appropriate. Our own club committee meetings are always clothed too. Some may not like or understand that, but it just seems appropriate.

Davie  8)

To add a little to that, the BN staff are not naturists themselves, but they do occasionally work away from the office at the big naturist events and are happy to be surrounded by naked people.

EC meetings at the office are (in my experience) all clothed, but that's not always the case at other locations such as the pre-AGM EC meetings at the various BN Conferences.

nib
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: jbeegoode on April 18, 2017, 10:08:47 PM
All of the BN staff are not naturists themselves!?! Clothed in amongst nudes?! My head is just not making connections. It just doesn't make sense. Leadership needs to be done by someone most familiar with the activity. Maybe, just a few in the tribe? Do they feel too self conscious to stand before someone naked and be behind a counter feeling on display? It does not compute. It doesn't promote....

How could that work?

Incidentally Nib, it does my heart good to see your smiling avatar and see your input. Seems to have been awhile.
Jbee
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: nuduke on April 18, 2017, 10:34:46 PM

Quote from: JBee
Incidentally Nib, it does my heart good to see your smiling avatar and see your input. Seems to have been awhile..

It has been a while!
I second that sentiment most heartily.
Nigel, you have been very distant...come back to the fold, we are still nattering vigorously and would greatly welcome your views and input as in ancient days!
John
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: JOhnGw on April 19, 2017, 09:42:52 AM
I might add to Nigel's comments that the BN staff are purely administrative and have no policy input.
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: Davie on April 19, 2017, 10:35:23 AM
The BN staff work in a small office, doing office stuff. They are recruited from the general pool of potential employees. I've seen staff at various naturist events and it is apparent they soon accept the situation of general nudity, and some go on to embrace it. The staff at hotels, lifeguards etc. all remain clothed at naturist events. Staff at commercial sites do too. It really isn't a problem. As employers we don't insist on a uniform of no clothes or indeed any other uniform.

Davie  8)
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: nib on June 06, 2017, 10:21:54 PM
...
Nigel, you have been very distant...come back to the fold, we are still nattering vigorously and would greatly welcome your views and input as in ancient days!
John

Don't worry, I'm still around! I'm much more involved with BN these days so I'm more often at one of the clubs being collared about the latest political issue or looking into a dispute; haven't done anything free-range for ages. Still getting the sun though, in the garden or at my local club.

nib
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: nuduke on June 07, 2017, 11:19:19 PM

Well it's always great to hear from you, Nigel.
Perhaps you could be our BN roving reporter and keep us posted on the thrills and spills of naturist internal politics*!
Which is your local CO club?


John


*...or I could quit prevaricating and join BN!
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: nib on June 07, 2017, 11:34:00 PM

Well it's always great to hear from you, Nigel.
Perhaps you could be our BN roving reporter and keep us posted on the thrills and spills of naturist internal politics*!
Which is your local CO club?


John


*...or I could quit prevaricating and join BN!

We're both members at Spielplatz in Bricket Wood.

I wouldn't want to inflict BN's internal politics on anyone but I think we do a lot of useful stuff too, and the events (The Gathering, Nudefest, Splashdown and the rest) are great fun!

nib
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: nuduke on June 08, 2017, 12:53:53 AM

I have a mild ambition to visit Spielplatz.  It's on my backburner action list.  I shall take the opportunity one day.  However for the last decade it's been a 2+ hr drive away, so not really on top of the priorities!
Maybe we could rendezvous there!
John
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: johnb on August 09, 2017, 10:15:29 AM

We're both members at Spielplatz in Bricket Wood.

I wouldn't want to inflict BN's internal politics on anyone but I think we do a lot of useful stuff too, and the events (The Gathering, Nudefest, Splashdown and the rest) are great fun!

nib

Hi Nigel, I think that's a fair summary of the situation at BN :).

I also have thought about visiting Speilplatz, but its a long way around the M25 :(.

John
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: milfmog on August 16, 2017, 10:53:02 AM

We're both members at Spielplatz in Bricket Wood.

I wouldn't want to inflict BN's internal politics on anyone but I think we do a lot of useful stuff too, and the events (The Gathering, Nudefest, Splashdown and the rest) are great fun!

nib

Hi Nigel, I think that's a fair summary of the situation at BN :).

I also have thought about visiting Speilplatz, but its a long way around the M25 :(.

John

One thing Nigel did not mention was the BN Members holidays. (I am really looking forward to the Croatian Cruise. Last time I asked there were still a couple of spaces left.)

And John, you are right; it is time you joined. (I wonder what Mrs N would make of the BN Magazine dropping on the doormat every few months  ;) )

Have fun,


Ian.
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: eyesup on August 16, 2017, 10:25:47 PM
Quote from: Ian
(I wonder what Mrs N would make of the BN Magazine dropping on the doormat every few months  ;) )

No plain brown rapper? ;D

Duane
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: nuduke on August 17, 2017, 01:11:10 AM
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I wonder what Mrs N would make of the BN Magazine dropping on the doormat every few months
This is one of the things that stops me joining.  Her discomfort that I was 'visibly' clubbing with other naturists.


She thinks you lot and BN are a danger to me in that I might be terminally perverted into joining groups of naturists and being naked all the time and things like answering the door naked or such. She has trouble working out why people post pictures on the forum - she thinks its exhibitionism.  She is right in a way but no more so than people posting a selfie on facebook.  She hasn't, despite my very occasional attempts to enlighten, grasped that we don't recognise the naked human form as anything other than normal and unremarkable so anything we report is no different from someone putting their holiday snaps on a forum or social media. She's not ready for BN even if I am!


But there are little victories - I was sunbathing naked in the garden today and she came onto the patio and tut tutted.  She was worried because a friend said she may pop round but didn't give a time.  Obviously I would not want to be caught naked in full sight of a tolerance-untested stranger any more than she would want that.  However, she looked at my shorts next to me and said "Oh, you've got something to cover up" and so didn't ask me to stop being naked just in case the friend called (which she didn't!).  Small result.


John
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: milfmog on August 17, 2017, 11:00:30 AM
But there are little victories - I was sunbathing naked in the garden today and she came onto the patio and tut tutted.  She was worried because a friend said she may pop round but didn't give a time.  Obviously I would not want to be caught naked in full sight of a tolerance-untested stranger any more than she would want that.  However, she looked at my shorts next to me and said "Oh, you've got something to cover up" and so didn't ask me to stop being naked just in case the friend called (which she didn't!).  Small result.

I would chalk that up as a significant step. She has noted that you are conscious of not causing her any embarrassment. That trust is valuable and was one of the cornerstones of Carole's becoming more relaxed about my preferences.

Once that trust is firmly established, it will be far easier to be naked when she is around without getting a pushback.

Great stuff. Keep having fun,


Ian.
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: jbeegoode on August 18, 2017, 02:07:06 AM
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I wonder what Mrs N would make of the BN Magazine dropping on the doormat every few months

...She thinks you lot and BN are a danger to me in that I might be terminally perverted into joining groups of naturists and being naked all the time and things like answering the door naked or such....

John
I wouldn't use the word "perverted" or "a danger", but..."might be," or "terminally?" I figure she's correct on that count! ;D
Jbee
Title: Re: AANR gets new offices, for CLOTHED employees.
Post by: eyesup on August 18, 2017, 07:51:06 AM
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She was worried because a friend said she may pop round . . . I would not want to be caught naked in full sight of a tolerance-untested stranger any more than she would want that.
I agree with Ian, John. Thatís a good sign.

Have you ever wondered what would happen if such a thing did happen and nothing happened?

Duane