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Well, this IS curious. Any number of things could be the cause of this boys death, other than drowning. It is a mystery.
A 14 year old can be seriously influenced. Him reading, 12 Rules for Life by Jordan B. Peterson and making contact tells me that he had some growing pains and that he was very bright and serious at a time when people are searching for answers, place, existential kinds of sense. He was at a sexual point, have you ever seen "Big Mouth" on Netflix. It shows the secret mind of adolescent sexuality.  Most people thinking that these things are just themselves, but because of the popularity of the show, there are obviously tons of people that relate that.

There is that secret naturist thing, he seemed to have been there before. But, then he leaves his backpack, and some clothing along the way. This sounds more like a plunge than a covert trip into a culvert. I don't know if that answers his demise.

I did wiki and watched part of a talk by that author. There seem to be an importance in his work about what face you put out to the world and the lies behind it.

Well, we don't know.

Kids do hang out in dangerous places. If there is a lock on that ditch, then there is a reason for that. People inadvertently hang out in dangerous places. You go there a couple of times and figure that it is always safe. That's common.
Redington Pass is like that. It seems a comfortable place, but a hard rain up stream may send a roaring deluge to it in surprise.

Nature has some danger. Hiking has some danger. So, naturism, in nature has some danger. In this case, if the boy was after some solitude for an unacceptable behavior, this might be a private place for him. People shouldn't be driven into dangerous compromises to be themselves. They should feel free to be seen as not a real problem, not unacceptable. The issue in particular of naked bodies should be a matter of fact and norm. The sexualization of nude, to make it taboo, is a socio-cultural flaw. Was the ditch an escape hatch, or a secret place?

Oldest teenage trick is to say that you are going to someplace that will please your parents as a pretext to sneaking to someplace to do something else. We don't know, I've always been fascinated by the mysteries of what people do, psychology, etc. With so many millions of us, someone has to do something different, bizarre, or stupid.

I sure hope that the kid had fun and was happy, doing whatever he was doing before he died. So, sad to miss out on so much.
Jbee
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Last June 21 (summer solstice) Noah Donohoe set out on his bicycle to ride about 6 miles to meet some friends.  He was seen and recorded by about 20 video surveillance cameras.  At 5:53 p.m., Noah passed the art college of Ulster University in central Belfast without his backpack.  The backpack was later found resting against a building. 

:The last live sighting of Noah occurred at 6:03 p.m. as he cycled past 85 Northwood Road, at this point he was naked..  Apparently he was recorded by video surveillance every two or three minutes during his bicycle ride.  Northwood Road is a dead end that has a large storm drain at its end.  His body was later found naked in the storm drain. The cause of death was apparently drowning according to the autopsy.

Authorities are mystified about why he got naked, and why he went into the storm drain.  I don't see a mystery about why someone would get naked.  Not even in an area where you get recorded on video every 2 or 3 minutes.  I also am not mystified about why a teen boy would go exploring in a storm drain.   Especially if there is some water in the drain system it would make sense to go naked so as not to get your clothes wet.  His clothes were apparently found resting on top of a wall nearby.

I see two lessons for free range naturists in this story.  The first is that nobody got upset or phoned police because a naked young man was riding a bicycle past their house and being recorded on video.  The second lesson is that there are dangerous places that are not safe to explore naked.  A storm drain in the UK, and a dry wash in Arizona, Utah, or other places are some of them.  Every year or so we read about some hikers who get killed hiking in a narrow drainage canyon when a flash flood comes.

In Albuquerque there are concrete lined storm drainage canals that are fun places to go naked, ride bicycles, and explore.  I've walked and bicycled naked in them too.  But just about every year someone gets caught and dies when it rains up in the mountains east of the city. 

So I like the UK's current attitude where a young man feels safe riding his bicycle naked down a residential street, but I'm saddened that he died.  See story link.

https://www.sott.net/article/455264-Noah-Donohoe-Missing-411
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Trip reports / Nude across America: Pt.3: Finding Oasis
« Last post by jbeegoode on August 22, 2021, 02:31:23 AM »
In New Mexico, we wake up and discover a nice fresh bath waiting for us.

https://thefreerangenaturist.org/2021/08/22/nude-across-america-pt-3/

Jbee
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Free Range Naturism / Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Last post by jbeegoode on August 22, 2021, 02:07:29 AM »
I don't know about instinctive, but it is still fun to pee over a cliff t this day. It reminds me of Junior High pissing contests in the boy's room.

I like the composting toilets and humanure concepts. Even cities might be able to handle some of that.

In dry Arizona, when the world doesn't get rinsed with rain, the smell of urine can stick around to the point that you certainly don't need a dog's snoot to notice it.
Jbee
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General Naturism Discussion / Re: Where does it end? Old clothing
« Last post by jbeegoode on August 22, 2021, 01:55:41 AM »
Used clothing won't steal all of the nutrients from my trees tree wells.

I'm letting it go in other places.
 I think that Covid lockdowns have probably hit the fashion industry. There is less need for clothing, with people at home to work and no ability to party of bar hop or have outfits for school. I think that these are good habits and hope that people continue to care less about fashion. And then there are those home nudists that have been created.
Jbee
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General Naturism Discussion / Re: Where does it end? Old clothing
« Last post by Bob Knows on August 21, 2021, 04:41:23 PM »
I read an article that clothing production worldwide has doubled in the past 10 years or so, particularly in Asia.   At the same time the market for used or recycled clothing has mostly evaporated.  There used to be a processing company in India that shredded old clothes and made economical blankets that were marketed in many countries, but most people can now afford new blankets so that market has mostly dried up too.   

Much of the world doesn't wear out their clothes.  They buy new fashions after wearing the old clothes only a few times.  Its a huge environmental problem and rapidly getting worse.

As for covering grass.  I have read that matted down grass forms a kind of thatch that tends to prevent ground water from drying out.   In semi-arid lands they are no using herds of grass eater to trample and fertilize the grass and then move on before it all gets eaten.  That has resulted in more grass, and more bushes, trees, etc.   I suppose that used clothing would function like trampled grass to slow evaporation.  But so would the grass. 

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General Naturism Discussion / Re: Daily picture
« Last post by Bob Knows on August 21, 2021, 04:32:25 PM »
Because of the confinement that prevents me from going out hiking, from meeting friends, I put every day a photo reminding me of good memories of naked moments on my Mewee page and also on a Canadian forum:
http://les-amis-naturistes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=789

I post a lot of naked selfies on MeWe pages too.  There are numerous naturist and nudist forums on MeWe.   There is also ongoing discussions about nudism being asexual or not so much.  And most of the MeWe forums are free range rather than factory farm nudism. 
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Free Range Naturism / Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Last post by Bob Knows on August 21, 2021, 04:22:10 PM »
I have been a bit "casual" with my urination of late.  If I am gardening or outside naked and feel the urge, I just let go where I stand if it's the lawn or over the flowerbeds.
The feeling of freedom is palpable.  Don't have to stop doing what I'm doing to rush inside to a toilet.  I was mowing the lawn with our self propelling lawnmower the other day and just let fly as I walked behind it.  My legs got a bit wet, I have to say!
Am I an utter pervert? I think not, I'm just exercising one of the little freedoms that naturism allows.
John

I'm with you on that one John.   Human urine is a boon for all green plants, including grass, shrubs, flowers, and trees.   If you always go in the same spot it can be too much of a good thing for that one spot so I spread it around.  A couple of weeks later you get a darker green spot on the lawn because that particular grass feels more "loved" and healthy.  I have also learned to piss while walking.  It makes a funny back and forth looping pattern on the ground.  Let he or she who never passes water be the first to complain. 

Ever since I was a boy I have enjoyed pissing over a cliff, watching my water fall a long way down.  That may be an instinctive manly pleasure. 

I had a lady friend in Santa Fe who always went outside to pee on her gardens.   On her back yard garden during the day, and in the front yard at night.

It's the most natural way of recycling our body waste back to the plant world.  It should be generally accepted for men and women, as it is and has always been in less "civilized" countries.   Only in cities with dense populations would the quantity of urine overwhelm their concrete gutters.  Only when there is a lot of urine in one place, and it doesn't have occasional rain does it cause any smell. 
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General Naturism Discussion / Where does it end? Old clothing
« Last post by jbeegoode on August 21, 2021, 07:34:16 AM »
I choose carefully the first time, then take care of clothing, making sure that it is washed gently to last longer. When it is actually worn out, it becomes often old stuff to work in and then finally rags. There is ultimately little waste, I don't wear clothing very often, so it last longer, fewer washes is much less pollution and water wasting. I'm pretty good about it, I get no flack for how I dress when I do.

BUT, here is the rest of the world's effects on the rest of the world. Those togs ain't biodegradable. They pollute, they blacken skies, the stuff lays around like nuclear half life in huge dumps.
Clothing culture is just a very bad thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB3kuuBPVys

Not green very impracticable and hugely wasteful.

I'm going to go get some of the throw-aways from the Good Will store. I have grass that is out of control and competing with my trees for water and soil. I'm told that a layer of cloth with mulch placed over it will suffocate the grass and weeds. It isn't organic but it controls a problem for the trees.
Jbee
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Trip reports / Re: mushrooms
« Last post by jbeegoode on August 19, 2021, 08:28:01 PM »
I'm fascinated by mushrooms. We tend to always take photos of them, but in Arizona, they look so rare and their habitat is so limited, we would be reluctant to pick them. I know some as the magic psilocybin mushrooms, but edibles are beyond my knowledge.

They are very diverse even in this desert and mountains.

This is playing on Netflix right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxABOiay6oA

They are amazing.
Jbee
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