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Forum downtime
« on: July 20, 2019, 10:24:38 AM »
Sorry about that. Disk space was exceeded. I will keep a closer eye now on how quickly it fills up and what could be doing it.

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Re: Forum downtime
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2019, 11:07:48 AM »
Well JBee does wax long and lyrical at times.  ;D ;D
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Re: Forum downtime
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2019, 01:57:10 PM »

Hurrah!  We are back!!
Karla, thank you so much for keeping an eye on the nuts and bolts under the bonnet and getting us all back online!
Those of us that were connected elsewhere were of course most worried by the outage. 
I reckon it may be our photos that are gnashing up the data space.  You might have to delete some material from the past to keep your data space favourable.


Did you eventually get my email to stuartandkarla@freerangenaturism.com trying to alert you to the outage?  That bounced back.  I sent it again just now to see if the email system was working again.


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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2019, 02:52:45 PM »
Turned out it was an error log in old guestbook. So spammers were probably trying to post to it for the last few years. Although I now notice the current guestbook is no longer working. I can't remember if we disabled it because of all the spam so I should probably get rid of the link.

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Re: Forum downtime
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2019, 05:26:28 PM »

So, Karla,
Do you know what percent space was taken by the guestbook and how much by the Forum?  I do hope we are not putting too much strain on your data allocation and I am sure all our correspondents here would agree.  Whilst it's 80% self interest i.e. that we can continue our forum for the foreseeable future, it's also a desire not to inconvenience you and Stuart or cause you run up expense in buying more data.  If you need to, I'm sure you will delete some of the early history on the forum to create space and I for one would be happy to chip in a few coins into a hat if you wanted a whip round to buy a bit more more space for our forum and I confidently guess that others would also help out a little if called upon. 



Guestbooks are all very well but as you have seen, prone to abuse by bots and spammers.  I don't think anyone would miss the guestbook if you disabled it.  It's more for you two to gauge who is viewing the site, and I guess the site is now mature enough for you to know that already.  Also I have found that the email you put on a site for contact details gets spam too.  Maybe you might have a non-published email address you could share with Forum members so we can let you know in case of similar future issue.

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Re: Forum downtime
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2019, 05:42:20 PM »
It was an error log just filled up to about just under 2 gigabytes. I have no idea why. I didn't fancy downloading it and finding out why. Easier to delete it and see what the next message is. There's no need for a guestbook if we have a discussion forum anyway. I admit I had completely forgotten about the site's email address. I'll keep a closer eye on it in the future.

Apologies for not fixing the forum sooner. I realised mid-week that it wasn't responding but decided to wait an hour in case it was the hosting service that was at fault. I was in the middle of fixing a difficult bug at work which I have been working on for three weeks so forgot to check up on it again until I noticed again Saturday morning.

Good point about spam on the website's email address. I put it up there using Javascript rather than plain text so a spammer would have to manually copy and paste it in to harvest it. It's normally enough to stop it getting harvested. Most of the emails were from Twitter and other services the site has used. So I am going to unsubscribe from them to reduce unwanted emails.
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Re: Forum downtime
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2019, 07:30:26 PM »
Poor JBG has been emailing me in quite a worried tone of voice. I'm far from home, having just finished the Naked European Walking Tour, but I don't think that would have made trying to contact Stuart and Karla any easier!

A trip report will be forthcoming, but I'll be over here another 2 weeks driving around with my wife, and not able to post things properly.

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Re: Forum downtime
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2019, 12:16:10 AM »
Well JBee does wax long and lyrical at times.  ;D ;D
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Re: Forum downtime
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2019, 11:41:15 PM »

Thanks for the response, Karla.
No need to apologise for delay in fixing it.  We are grateful for your generosity, we do not also ask for a 'response service level'! :)
It is fabulous that you keep an eye on the site and forum and are not an 'absentee landlord' like our previous generous host.
However, it would have been useful to be able to get in touch somehow to let you know what was happening.
Anyway, all's well that ends well, as Shakespeare was wont to say.  "Oh shut up, Will!" they would respond grumpily. :D
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Re: Forum downtime
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2019, 08:09:43 PM »
Yes, if everyone PM's Nuduke an email address, he has a list of a few email addresses. He could be a communication link if there would be any other mishaps.

Just suggesting. What do you think Nuduke?
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Re: Forum downtime
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2019, 10:12:27 PM »
I believe the simple fact that this forum works as well as it does speaks volumes about Karla’s efforts. But I agree with nuduke in his applause of everything Karla and Stuart are doing.

Let us know about the email list John.

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Re: Forum downtime
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2019, 11:17:32 PM »

Well, I wasn't proposing making a circulation list of emails.  What I was proposing is that S&K might maintain a single alternative email address purely for 'emergencies' by which they can be contacted by any of us if the forum is down - the address they provided for contact on the website went down with the forum so we couldn't email them.  A simple hotmail, yahoo or gmail address would do.  It doesn't need to be more public than the forum itself.  Possibly publish it on a pinned forum post (say in the forum rules section).  I don't want to make too much of it as an idea, it was just a passing thought.


However, because K&S look at the site reasonably frequently, that is our insurance against a prolonged outage.  Mind you, if there was a side email address than enquirers could be briefed on what's happening.  By contrast, on TSNS, the site holder Lookee seemingly didn't look at the site from one month to the next and several times forgot to pay the subscription leaving us with a prolonged outage.  Did we ever get any explanation of why it went permanently?


As to keeping an email circulation list, I am very much in two minds.  What I would seek to avoid is having a deluge of email addresses from every forum member.  Also if there were a prolonged forum outage, I would definitively not support becoming the de facto owner of an email-based pseudo-forum.  My email address only has the minimum space allocation and would soon run out I'm sure.  Perhaps if I collected about 6-8 emails of the most frequent posters, Jbee, eyesup, Bob, JOhnGW, JohnP, Nudewalker, Blue Train, PeterS and Ric and perhaps Karla & Stuart, that accounts for the people who account for a little over 80% of all the traffic ever on the forum.  If you PM me I could add the few emails to my Nudukial contact list.  However, heavens forfend, in the event of the forum becoming permanently unusable, as I say, email should only be used for a brief interchange to decide if and where to go next.  In any event the problem will be how will the vast majority of members that want to find eachother do so if we had to move house suddenly.  It was the same with TSNS - we just lost nearly all of the members.

Don't I recall that quite a few years ago, after one of the TSNS outages that we started an emergency Yahoo group?  Does that still exist?  I remember creating a yahoo email address or yahoo identity at the time but rarely if ever used it.  The 3 or 4 email addresses I do have were from private correspondence with others prior to and during meeting them.  Maybe that's a better course of action.  To find that group, revivify it and on the FRN forum advertise its existence?
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Re: Forum downtime
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2019, 12:12:26 AM »

I thought there was a group.  There was...or in fact IS!  Set up around 2008, I think,  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SecretNaturistSociety/info
I found the Yahoo group, managed to sign on and there were 35 members but no way of listing them.  Its a closed group and when I try to see the conversations it says I have to be a moderator to do this.  Paul Midnightrider is long gone from here and his website is dead either in Dutch or English so we are unlikely to be able to contact him.  So we may not already have a supplementary bolt hole after all.
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Re: Forum downtime
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2019, 01:09:52 AM »
I recall when TSNS dropped out, I believe Ian mentioned that Paul was the owner and no one could get access to the site other than reading the posts.

We could always start a new one just in case.

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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2019, 08:58:05 AM »
I also run another forum. I wasn't intending to run it, but the original site was taken down and rather than let the community disband I decided to set up a new home for them. Anyway, they have an emergency lifeboat forum which someone registered for free. They originally used it while we were setting up the new home, but it's also good to go back to in times of emergency. For example, the main forum was the target of Denial of Service attacks and hacking attempts and was made unusable for a while.