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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #750 on: January 03, 2019, 02:27:07 PM »
It's ludicrous, we had a frost yesterday morning, had to deice the windscreen for the 2nd time this winter. Forcast was  minus 4 last night.... No ice this morning. Lunchtime it's warm enough for a walk in the woods , but I haven't got the time to spare today.  Having found my recently aquired van was running on water I've got to drain a bit and stick a bit of antifreeze in, Justin case.
Daughter was having a moan about her neighbour s yesterday.... Running their cars for a while to get hot air to clear their screens then telling her off for using a saucepan of tepid water..., Apparently she's going to crack her windscreen....

The other thing I've never understood is the British love of shoveling snow,.  Inch of snow and there out there shovelling it off every path..... Leaving a film of ice that's more slippery than the snow was, andits all going to melt tomorrow or the next day anyway.

Anyway back on topic ,  I managed to squeeze in one walk in the woods in December and some painting.  January there's more painting and some laminate flooring planned.

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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #751 on: February 17, 2019, 11:59:25 PM »
Well, on Tuesday, I am finally scheduled to resolve the citations received last August.  Another federal shutdown might have worked in my favor, but I'm happy that's not the direction taken.

To bring everyone up to date, I was on an isolated part of the North Texas coast, that happened to front a wildlife preserve (McFaddin).  And, I was stuck in the sand.  I was under the truck removing sand when the ranger approached.  He parked his truck in such a manner that it was impossible for me to grab cover.   He was proud of capturing my nude image on his body cam.  When I opened the door to retrieve a sarong, he noticed an open container (beer) in the cupholder.
 
This took place around 5 pm and he kept me company until after 9 pm when I was able to get out of the sand and on my way.  He cited me for disorderly conduct (nude in public) and 'remaining in a National Refuge under the influence of alcohol'.  Anyway, on Tuesday I get to hear their justification for citing me and defend my actions under the criminal codes cited, in front of a federal magistrate.

Citation #1 - Disturbing the Peace: The law states that one cannot recklessly expose ones anus or genitalia in public areas without regard whether another may be present who may be alarmed or offended.  In the 4 hours the LEO and I were on the beach, no other person was present.  It was an isolated, hard to reach part of the beach.  No one was there to be alarmed or offended. 

Citation #2 - Intoxicated:  The statute defines intoxication as 'under the influence of alcohol to a degree that may endanger oneself or other persons, or unreasonable annoy persons in the vicinity'. I was not intoxicated to any definable extent as proven by several hours of body cam video.

This doesn't really apply to this topic, except that this is where I originally posted the event.  The jurisdiction is Federal Court in Beaumont, Texas.  Not what I would call a sympathetic court.  I'm not asking for thoughts and prayers, but maybe some encouraging energy.  If I lose, I pay a fine and go about my life, or appeal, depending on the details of the ruling.  If I win, then it's a boost to our cause.  Albeit a small one.

Another case will be heard alongside mine.  The other guy is a real naturalist, not a naturist.  He was on the beach to track wildlife, camping with his son.  He has credentials, but I forget the details.  He was showering at his camp at the end of the day, in an open air shower next to his camper.  Again, in a remote section of the beach, no public present.  How stupid is that?!

In a perfect world, I would think that the magistrate insisted that these two cases be heard together to make a point, to the rangers, that they need to reserve their enforcement duties to actual offenses, not wasting the courts resources on trivial matters that do not breach the peace of the public.  But, that is not what i expect.

Oh, my new Avatar was taken the same day as the citations, just an hour or so before the adventure took its turn in a new direction.

Wish me luck!
~Safebare

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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #752 on: February 18, 2019, 02:05:26 AM »
Good Luck, for a victory for us all.

From what you tell us here, the worst and best scenarios are palpable. You are not a criminal. ;) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #753 on: February 18, 2019, 09:24:17 AM »
Sounds like a straight-forward case to me. The only real question is, why did he choose to cite you in the first case. Boredom?

Over here(UK), it is always necessary for another person to be present capable of alarm or distress. With the law as now clarified, it would need to be with the intention to cause alarm and distress, but even before, it was accepted the police were expected to be made of sterner stuff and not easily alarmed.

It seems you had no expectation of seeing anyone who would be alarmed or distressed so ought to be thrown out. Unless they are prepared to convict without evidence.....

Hope it goes well.
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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #754 on: February 18, 2019, 09:50:30 AM »
Well, best of luck. It sounds as though you've got facts on your side. Is this costing you anything in legal fees?

But I'm afraid "open container of alcohol" in a vehicle may make you liable for a drunk driving charge regardless of how much you'd consumed. It would depend on state law.

It's also a little concerning that you've had a previous legal issue concerning being nude around your property. Is there any chance that these two cases could get linked?

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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #755 on: February 18, 2019, 05:07:27 PM »
To bring everyone up to date, I was on an isolated part of the North Texas coast, that happened to front a wildlife preserve (McFaddin).  And, I was stuck in the sand.  I was under the truck removing sand when the ranger approached.  He parked his truck in such a manner that it was impossible for me to grab cover.   He was proud of capturing my nude image on his body cam.  When I opened the door to retrieve a sarong, he noticed an open container (beer) in the cupholder.

Wish me luck!
~Safebare

A few years ago I met a person from Beaumont in an on-line chat.   When I went to visit we went out to that same beach.  She said it was known locally as the Nudist Beach.   One time we drove my jeep a long way NE from the access road.  Nobody else anywhere around.  I finally decided it was too far to walk if I got stuck and turned around. 

Sounds like some anal retentive rangers are trying to exterminate their nudist beach. 

By the time you get to court you have suffered significant punishment.  I hope your case is dismissed. 

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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #756 on: February 18, 2019, 05:41:07 PM »
Sounds like a straight-forward case to me. The only real question is, why did he choose to cite you in the first case. Boredom?

Over here(UK), it is always necessary for another person to be present capable of alarm or distress. With the law as now clarified, it would need to be with the intention to cause alarm and distress, but even before, it was accepted the police were expected to be made of sterner stuff and not easily alarmed.

It seems you had no expectation of seeing anyone who would be alarmed or distressed so ought to be thrown out. Unless they are prepared to convict without evidence.....

Hope it goes well.
I was thinking that Federal law here required a witness to make the complaint. The officer whether alarmed or distressed wouldn't count. A "victim" is needed.
Bob, they'll know if what you suspect is true, if the guy doesn't show up and it gets dismissed. It seems kind of flakey on the governments end.

Wasn't there some people down the beach earlier and speculation that they had complained, or been a justification? Have things simplified, since getting to court and actual provable facts are on the table and you were just getting unstuck, minding your own business from the get go, no one else involved?
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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #757 on: February 18, 2019, 08:05:24 PM »
They are using past complaints, meaning months ago or longer, as justification for the citations. The officer stated that the presence of naked people impedes others of access to the area. But that has no justification in the law.  No complaints were registered on the day of my detainment, that I am aware of.
The previous citation may come up, but it was dismissed upon completion of deferred adjudication. I am hoping they didn't uncover it, but am prepared to respond if it is brought up.
The open container could have been a significantly bigger issue if I had been operating the vehicle. As it was, I was only cited for intoxication, since it's legal to drink on the beach. I wasn't drunk or exhibit any signs of intoxication. Of course that can be up to interpretation.
I really expect them to have difficulty explaining how my behavior violated the law, as written. I have never been in Federal court either, I just would expect more decorum than in lower courts.
Bob, back in the day, this was a popular nude beach. 3 counties cross the beach in this area, creating a jurisdiction problem for local PD. The park service jumped to the rescue since they can patrol across jurisdictions.  The game officers seem to get a kick out of issuing the citations.
Thanks for the support. I'll let you know how it goes.
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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #758 on: February 18, 2019, 10:48:50 PM »
Police rule by fear and violence, not by law and justice.  You broke no law, but they harass and penalize you anyway.   You are assaulted and traumatized even if the judge dismisses the case. 
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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #759 on: February 18, 2019, 10:59:16 PM »
The beaches where we have been most often are posted to the effect that nudity is forbidden. I don't see a way of weaseling out of that prohibition. Of course, speed limits are posted, too, and the police don't wait for a complaint. Sometimes the stop sign, the lower speed limit and so on are the result of citizen complaints. But I suppose that could be yet another example of the tyranny of the proletariat.

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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #760 on: February 19, 2019, 03:46:08 AM »
"Weaseling"?? I am finding it difficult to avoid offense in your post. Is that how you view my defense?

I am interested in your view point. Please elaborate Blue Train.
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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #761 on: February 19, 2019, 06:01:42 AM »
I didn't post JAnuary's free ranging. There was little of it. I have been off an on sick for two months, and teh weather has been uncommonly harsh for Arizona. A few trips to Havarock and one hike into the Tortolitas with DF and a friend of ours. She enjoyed herself, got half naked and wandered with us two nudes. The sun was out and warm...then more crappy weather. Three quarters through February and it is still like this through this week. February has been dismal.
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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #762 on: February 19, 2019, 12:55:30 PM »
To elaborate, let's say there is a sign that says nudity on the beach is illegal, which there in fact is. It's at the first (and only) parking lot after you cross the bridge at Oregon Inlet on the Outer Banks of North Carolina. Moreover, public nudity is against the law in North Carolina, although I understand there are two or three nudist clubs in North Carolina, if Wikipedia is correct. The question is, does one have a God-given right to be nude? Is the law unjust? Are the rangers picking on naked people just because they don't like them? Is a complaint necessary? Is being ticketed (that's what they do, they don't arrest you) harassment, fear and violence? Does the rest of the population, who, in theory, have an equal interest in the beach, have an opinion on public nudity that counts? Is the law valid? Is there justice?

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« Reply #763 on: February 19, 2019, 10:11:09 PM »

That policeman was a git.  He could see there was nobody about.  Why didn't he just give you a warning to cover up if anyone came and get lost and follow up some real crime!  As to the beer, did he breathalyse you, or analyse your BAC?   If the container was unfinished had you drunk enough to be intoxicated?  Or is the law just that any alcohol equals intoxication?  A little googling indicates, mind you, that if you had drunk a pint of beer at 4% alcohol his would deliver you 18.4g alcohol and the legal limit in the US I believe is 0.08g/100ml blood i.e. about 4g for a normal man with 5 litres of blood.
What evidence was there that you were intoxicated at the time you were apprehended?  A partially drunk container is not evidence of intoxication. You were not driving at the time and might have averred that you were intending to stay put until the alcohol had worn off.  The body clears 5-10g of alcohol per hour so in 2 hours you would be below the limit and in 3 hours virtually alcohol free. (Or was it the last can of a six pack?!)  The body cam evidence shows the time and duration and that if you didn't drink any alcohol from 5-9pm that proves you wouldn't have been under the influence when you left (it would have taken you the same time to dig out the vehicle with or without the officer present).  Finally, the naked naturalist having a shower - a second trivial arrest.  For heaven's sake!  How long was he naked.  10 mins at outside for the shower and then covered modestly by a towel.  The fact of his arrest highlights the extent that the police are wasting valuable time on trivia and harassing otherwise law abiding citizens.
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Anyway, hope those arguments might come in useful for arguing against the inferences of the policeman who seemed to have no evidence that the alcohol from the beer container he found was still in your body.
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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #764 on: February 20, 2019, 02:22:04 AM »
...The question is, does one have a God-given right to be nude?
Is the law unjust?
Are the rangers picking on naked people just because they don't like them?
 Is a complaint necessary?
Is being ticketed (that's what they do, they don't arrest you) harassment, fear and violence?
Does the rest of the population, who, in theory, have an equal interest in the beach, have an opinion on public nudity that counts? Is the law valid?
Is there justice?
Yes
Yes
No
Yes
Opinion is a right. Imposition of an opinion is very different. If something ain't right, it's wrong.
No justice.
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