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Re: Steve Gouch update - he's out
« Reply #45 on: April 13, 2016, 11:53:47 PM »
I think this is one of the saddest stories I have read in a long time.  It is not about naturism or Steve Gough's campaign to be accepted in society nude.  It is about the burden of caring that is increasingly the lot of our generation. 

Whatever your opinion of Gough's behaviour and campaign, it is his own.  A campaign by which he has chosen to live his life.  His aspiration is nudity in society and however he goes about it was his choice to follow.

But his mum is in need and so like a huge swathe of our generation he has given up his quest and his freedom of choice in order to look after his mother.  No choice really.  Bless him, he has done what most of us do (certainly in my case) and sacrificed our independence to devote ourselves to our elderly dependents. 

It is an example of the increasing burden that improved health and medical science has placed certainly on the current generation of fifty and sixty-somethings (i.e. Us!) that their parents and older relatives live ever longer past the point at which their lives are tolerably dignified, tolerably comfortable and, intolerably, their wits and faculties and useful limbs are taken from them by old age and infirmity, dementia, Alzheimer's, arthritis, heart dysfunction and a score of other things. 

Yet medical science and social care keeps the sorry, spent, guttering flame of the elderly relative's existence burning wanly, sans everything, prolonged far and away beyond what should have been its natural span and they moulder in bedrooms and care homes, bland, living ghosts of people that were once active and meant something.  Whilst that medical science continues to work its preservative and palliative 'miracles' the sad consequence is that families and loved ones of those helpless geriatrics are engaged in the immense burden of care and stress and worry and cost. The respected memory of their loved one morphs into the anger of toleration of a heavy burden which love cannot allow them to put down yet society (and science) will not give the geriatric or their loved one the option of voluntary euthanasia or any other 'way out'.  And without that option, the end becomes a welcome relief and a release not, as it should have been, a sad, loving and reluctant departure.

Having cared for 3/4 parents and 2 avuncular relatives through the sad pointlessness of their last years, I feel very strongly at minimum for myself and my children.  I want to be able to determine the day that I die and save my offspring the huge, dragging, long-lasting, life-stealing burden of care that I experienced.  And if I leave it too late and sadly get to a state where I can't say or decide when to go then I want them to have the option and indeed the expectation that they can and will release me from the burden of the last dregs of life and for society to accept, assist and value this consideration for quality of life being the key criterion of continuation of life. 

So many people I know have had or are having their freedom stolen by the shackles of geriatric care and so much resource is wasted in preserving human life 'at all costs'.  So much political consideration is being given to how the countries of the west will manage the hugely increasing geriatric population and so little thought to how much of that resource could do so much good elsewhere employed if a more objective view of the value of life and taking a balanced view of when the end should be.  And yet, when it comes up in parliament, the spineless members vote against alleviating the widespread and increasing suffering of people imprisoned in existence, possibly against their wills in many cases, by medical care.  As was unsurprising the  considerations centred on the minor risk that sometimes such decisions might not be made for the highest motives and the occasional experience of someone who changed their minds.

So Steve Gough, despite my respect for your right to make your point, you had my cynicism about your campaign tactics .  But now, Steve, you have my heartfelt respect for having put your principles aside in the interests of filial duty and my deep sympathy for the fact that you have sadly had to do so and no longer have the freedom to pursue your vocation.

John


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Re: Steve Gouch update - he's out
« Reply #46 on: April 20, 2016, 01:28:08 PM »
John,

I owe you a beer for saving me typing that. I could not agree more with you post.

I have spent the past six years watching a previously very smart mother-in-law become a dribbling, immobile wreck with, in her few lucid moments, one wish left; "I just want to die". I would not subject anyone either to her ending or to my wife's emotions.

Have fun, (lest some medic obsessed with preserving life rather than quality of life steals that ability from you)


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Re: Steve Gouch update - he's out
« Reply #47 on: April 20, 2016, 10:57:21 PM »
Four thumbs up John! Great post!
As usual, politicians and their larvae (bureaucrats) are engaging in the genetic forces that drive their continued existence. A strict and unbending adherence to the rule book. Forfend the likelihood that something unknown or out of the ordinary happening. Why is everyone so terrified of something unexpected? Life is better with surprises!

Why must it be, everyone with a place and everyone in that place. A brick in the wall.

Kudos to Mr. Gough for keeping his focus on what is most important.

Duane

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« Reply #48 on: April 21, 2016, 10:50:24 PM »
Just using a little imagination to keep the topic of free range naturism in the mix.

“Good morning Mr. Goode, Let me open these curtains for some sunshine as I change your bedpan.”
“Nooo, let me FEEL the sun! I want to smell the air, not clean sheets.”


“Ol’man Goode managed to pry his pajamas off again last night. I think we’ll have to tie the fart down at night.”


“Can’t keep the clothes on him, obviously a demented codger.”


“I pray Lord, just let me fall naked into that pool of water over there. Just a few minutes before I drown.”


“Mahjong , or TV?!” Where’s my old pistol when I need it? I wanna hijack a ride to the forest…naked!”


 “All day, he just wants to quietly sit naked on the lawn. Sometimes eye open, sometimes closed. He says that’s all he wants?”
“What are you crazy? They’ll have my head if we let him do that!”


Nope, they'll never take me alive...nope.
Jbee




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Re: Steve Gouch update - he's out
« Reply #49 on: April 29, 2016, 11:30:36 PM »
Catch 22 personified, JBee!

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« Reply #50 on: May 02, 2016, 04:29:31 PM »
  For him to stay home to care for his mother is not a  bad thing.   Self denial for the good of others is what we all need to learn more of. 
I've watched it all.   Others and at home.  My mother once the very intelligent teacher, researching everything that struck her interest,  dwindle to nothing mentally.   An inherited weakness affecting the women on her fathers side.    My dad can't do anything physical with breathing difficulties, somewhat frustrating to him as he had a good work ethic, enjoyed doing things and getting stuff done.   he's 89 as of yesterday and she's 80 this summer.    Up to my brother and I to keep them comfortable as possible until life ends.       I've seen/read about a few who lived till very old the way I want to.   Work outside, eat a natural diet,   pass in their sleep after a good days work.     The two who lived to be way past 100 because they ate raw food were interesting.   Supposedly 132 and 152 for ages on the two.  One died of accident while pursuing trail riding on horse.   The other after he was taken out of his natural environment and his diet and work habits changed.  Neither one demonstrated to full extent what a lifestyle of work in nature and diet of live food might do.  We kill our food before we eat it mostly,   dead food brings on death eventually,   apparently live food imparts life,  or at least extends it who knows how long.  Live plant based food that is.   The 132 man was Dr Walker,  the developer of the Walker juicer. a promoter of raw juice.     His age was a guess,  and different people guessed at different ages.  The 132 came from his last wife who guessed based on things he'd said.  He refused to tell anyone after meeting with too much unbelief in regards to it.    And he couldn't prove anything because he was born before official birth records were kept.      I didn't know how he died until a current neighbor told me her son lived near him and he was out trail riding.    The 152 man was better documented age wise,  but was back in the 1800's in Europe somewhere.    His wife died and he hated to cook,  had goats and grew a garden.   Ate his garden produce raw with goat cheese.   At 150 or better his age attracted some attention, he was invited to the capitol.   Since his diet and lifestyle was more from convenience than design,  a move like that precipitated the end for him.     My brother and I design to develop the work and diet that would allow us best chance of doing the same and maybe even better.    We have the research mind of our mother and work ethic from both.   Nutrient dense or high brix style agriculture and consuming it as close to it's natural state as possible is the goal we have.   Arranging lifestyle as much like that of the original garden as possible.   I want to live as long as possible and work for the benefit of others by growing food for myself and them that will impart health and life.  If we don't live and work to benefit and bless someone other than ourselves our life is pointless.  It's living to make someone other than ourselves happy that makes life worth living.  Those who live selfish lives just to please themselves end up quite miserable. 

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Re: Steve Gouch update - he's out
« Reply #51 on: May 02, 2016, 06:20:48 PM »
It goes both ways. It can be a healing. Maybe his kids will get sometime with him as they visit grandma. He has lost ten years of family. He has been in the role of martyr for a cause and shut off from much of his humanity like a renunciate monk.

In my forties, my dad got Parkinson's, diabetes and degenerative blindness. Mom got sick taking care of him, as they were both very old. I was just embarking on building my house and still recovering from the financial destruction of divorce, and needing to start a new career from loss of my business, and a single unsupported full time dad of a young son. This mess brought us together. There I was forty-something and living with my parents, piled into my old bedroom for a year and a half. There was seemingly no time for myself for awhile, then slightly more time to rearrange my future. My son got the experience of care of loved ones. My dad and I healed a strained relationship, I had a babysitter, who helped back when I went to classes. It was family. My upbringing taught us to be staunchly self reliant, independent, which needed to be balanced.

Men have this need and also an expectation laid on them, to produce goal oriented accomplishments, but it can be out of balance and things have to be put on hold for periods of life. Seva produces karma, sometimes instant karma. I can't always know what is best for me and this showed this to me. I suspect Mr. Gough is exactly where he needs to be. Bless his heart.
Jbee 
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Re: Steve Gouch update - he's out
« Reply #52 on: May 02, 2016, 08:13:20 PM »
Yeah, maybe he'll gain some perspective for himself. As you said, Jbee, it provides opportunity to think and meditate about how you end up in a particular situation.

If you are not too self-centered it should eventually even your life out.

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Re: Steve Gouch update - he's out
« Reply #53 on: May 12, 2016, 11:10:05 PM »
Yes, Interesting point of view, there, JBee.  Makes one wonder if Mr G will be changed when he emerges from the current situation.  If so what will that change be?  Mellower re campaigning for nude freedom, I trust!
John

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Re: Steve Gouch update - he's out
« Reply #54 on: May 19, 2016, 03:30:30 AM »
Quote from: nuduke
Makes one wonder if Mr G will be changed when he emerges from the current situation.  If so what will that change be?

I lost my mom to Alzheimers and my dad about 10 yrs. later, a different affliction. Over the last few years I have lost a couple friends. Major events in a person's life changes them. Most especially if it is a parent.

Sometimes in life they appear to be always there for whatever is happening. Then one day a wake up call that they are not invincible.

I am sure he will be changed. As you asked, John, in what way?

Duane