Medical evidence or (Who didn't know this?)

[Peter S]

Is it an urban legend, or wasn't there a 'scientific' report which once claimed coffeecaused lung cancer - til someone realised that a cup of coffee was always accompanied by a cigarette? If it's not true it should be ...

[eyesup]

I don’t believe that there is a thing called a “cancer virus”. Cancer happens as a reaction to something. Your body begins to fight back, something gets triggered and then tumors form. It seems everything has been labeled as a carcinogen at some point in an attempt to find a root cause.

Between genetics, environment, virus and microbial influences, there are too many factors at play.

Duane

[nudewalker]

I'd say genetics plays the biggest part when it comes to cancers. Some people just seem to be predisposed to it. However, this area in which I live has a high incidence per capita of both cancer and autoimmune diseases. So there is an environmental factor I would assume, as much as the water here has been poisoned. Some of the auto immune factors are linked to lack of sunshine! 

[ric]

over here theres concern about nucleur power stations... were some 20 miles from hinkley point where the 3rd reactor is under way.
theres also talk about electric fields from power lines
less well publisised , and more recent is concern about the long term effects of the increasing proliferation of wifi and mobile phone signals.

then we get to chemicals in foodstuffs...from pesticides through to preservatives and flavourings.


were lucky to live in a rural setting ... the only wifi we pick up is our own... a house in the village you can pick up half a dozen , our wifi gets turned off if we dont want to use it .... the wifes desktop and this laptop are hard wired , so wifi is only needed when the kids are here .
we are one of the rare houses without a microwave oven.

having  2 parents whove had dementia its not only cancer risk were trying to minimise.  were not fanatical but if theres a risk factor we can minimise without hardship we will minimise it.   

for example getting a good nights sleep... with wifi off and blackout curtains, mobile phones banished from the bedroom etc  is easy to do with no drawbacks..... since weve been doing it i dream more... which is an indication that im sleeping better and the body is definatly getting into the sleep repair cycle its supposed to

kids think were daft

eldest is having a house built ... into computers and wireless gizmos ..for example all the tvs are fed wirelessly from the one satelite receiver, computer wifi repeaters on all 3 floors on 24/7. ive banned the wife from taking her field strength meters round.

[jbeegoode]

Most of us recognize that clothing is an obsession, an over indulgence and that there are some suspect toxins involved. We recognize that it is natural to go without clothing, unless necessary, or some costuming. We mostly recognize that Vitamin D is manufactured in the body and the body needs certain substances, like the good cholesterol and a good amount of sunshine all over. That too much sunshine at once creates burn which can be a health risk and our bodies tell us that something is wrong with this. Nude and natural wards off unhealthy influence and there is a natural sense that, “Hey, this is good for me, I like this. 

I attempt to look for natural behaviors, histories of these behaviors, science and logic in my relationship to my body and nudity. I also apply this naturism to other aspects, like body movement, squatting, yogas, relaxation, etc. I have found that these are factors related to longer and healthier quality of life. It hasn’t been much of a step to apply the same kinds of exploration, sociology, psychology, experimentation and thinking to my diet. I had no leader, or authority to fallow with nudity, I have taken this role on myself. Ultimately, I have to be the authority. I take the diet and exercise portion that way as well. My spiritual values and outlook are eclectic, just as the rest.

Over and over, taking a more natural tact is giving me the wisdom of humanity before all of this new “scientific” evidence, but I keep my mind open to anything, judge, weigh, ponder, explore.

So, like clothing, I am moderate, I take the natural route, I continue to explore, and I continue to get better and better results.

Like a witch doctor, I may even incorporate the power of belief. I believe that I am taking all of the steps that have kept many peoples healthy and extended their lives during the centuries. These diseases are mostly new, the epidemic proportions are a new feature to this. When you take away the causes and do prevention, nearly all of these diseases like cancers, heart diseases and diabetes disappear. This has been shown in studies on massive scales. Less driven, more spiritual, fresh and naturally produced veggies with maybe a little meat, what the heck. These factors, including genes were how my ancestors and relatives lived to nearly 100. Tried and proven and well documented, are the studies of other peoples. None of the rest of these new foods, lifestyles, the electrical, polyestered, newfangled have a track record. There is evidence, lots of it, showing and where from hazards, possible hazards, out and out dangers, much of which is being heavy handedly squelched by profiting industry.

The approach keeps bringing me benefit, just like my approach to the nudity thing.
Jbee

[Karla]

I developed a neurological condition in March. One day I was perfectly fine, two weeks later I had very little sensation from the neck down, could not sign my name, use a knife and fork and lost my sense of balance. I was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis.

It's all largely come back now and last week was the first time I managed to get back to the highlands of Scotland. I even started driving again. But I have been doing a lot of reading up. No one knows the exact cause of MS but there are a lot of exacerbating factors, such as stress, whether you have had EBV, saturated fats etc, and a lack of Vitamin D. I was planning on starting a thread on it but I will post here now there is one. The incidence of MS increases in more affluent countries, but also the further away from the equator you are. Scotland and Canada are real hot spots for MS because they both have unhealthy diets and a lack of sunshine.

It puzzled me that people in sunny countries still got MS but most people cover up and use too much sun cream. I certainly used to out of a fear of skin cancer. And being someone who sits behind a computer all day I get very little sunshine anyway. One thing I learnt though is you if you only expose your face or arms say, you won't get more Vitamin D just by staying outdoors for longer. You will get more Vitamin D by exposing more skin even if you stay out side for just say half an hour. I now walk to and from work, about 3 miles each way, and was sunbathing in my living room for an hour if the sun comes round on a weekend (I live on the top floor and open the window). I no longer need sun cream because I have developed a tan.

Multi-vitamins supplements can also be unhealthy but the medical literature has shown that super doses of Vitamin D is safe so I take 4000 IU a day. Vitamin B is also safe in large doses too. I don't take any other multi-vitamin supplements though.

As for cancer, I suggest reading The China Study. It's not just a matter of being exposed to carcinogens but also your diet. Too much protein such as the typical affluent or western diet compared to whole-food plant- based diets in developing countries means that your exposure to carcinogens is more likely to cause cancer.

I developed MS much later than normal and I think it was my generally healthy diet and naturism that was mainly protecting me. It was life stopping me from getting out into the wild for 2 years and immense amounts of stress that finally triggered the attack which made me realise that I had it.

[nudewalker]

I can relate only because I have quite a few friends who had the same symptoms and got the same diagnosis. Until the things started hitting closer to home and began going to a University Hospital did we realize that our area has more overcast days than Seattle WA which is known for rainy days! With some of my own symptoms I was also instructed to take D vitamins and a B complex, along with sun exposure. But back to my point, all five of my friends that have been diagnosed all have one thing in common. They all worked in an office, very little if any sunlight and all are very light complected. Nor were they the outdoors type as they spent their time off watching TV and sitting at home.

It seems that you are on the right track, read and study for sure. I wish you all the best!

[eyesup]

This reminded me of my friend in Houston that is in recovery from Guillain-Barré syndrome. It pains me to see my friend is such straits. But she is a RN and does not back down. Never has.

Some of the symptoms are similar to MS. Both of these are auto-immune conditions. Neither one is well understood by the medical community. I was reading them on the sites for The Mayo Clinic and WebMD. They both say that they seem to be triggered by a viral or bacterial infection.

This seems to track what this discussion is about. The environment you live in affects you more than you are aware.

I hope all goes well. As nudewalker alludes to, knowledge is power. Sometimes you have to attack on multiple fronts.

My thoughts and prayers are with you.

Duane

[nudewalker]

And on that note I'm due to visit the vampires again! With the change in diet, exercise and fluid intake maybe the kidneys are functioning better? I don't seem to be as winded as I climb those hills but still carry a mid section bulge despite losing weight. In the meantime I continue to try and move forward.

The good thing about the internet is the availability of resources, the downside is that the opinions expressed are not always those of qualified people. The wife and I, both being of a medical back round, have a knowledge of anatomy and physiology to kind of figure out what may work and what sounds like snake oil. We have been through this before, by all measures she should have died three times by now, but between us and the knowledge we can gather she's still here. Although a bit worse for wear. 

[jbeegoode]

Karla: Walking, focusing on health, prevention, good food, you testify that you are better. You are creating priorities, and giving time time. The walking helps the stress, too. People aren't designed to continue modern life for years and years and it catches up. It is good survival skill to have fight, work ethic accomplishment, goals, some value in oneself, but it has now been harnessed into an unhealthy lifestyle for the ends of productivity and consumerism. I'll stay away from the political and economic factors that have created this into a norm. I'm sure that this scare will keep you conscious of your need to focus one health.

My ol' girlfriend with an obsessive personality insisted that I read China Study, what now seems many years ago. The evidence overwhelmed me. I was overweight, having back problems and couldn't get up a good grade without resting a few times. I was on my way to illness. The doctor told me my cholesterol was way up and wanted to put me on pills. I was becoming  those that I see hobbling around, ready to complain that God has made them sick by the luck of the draw.

The China Study opened my eyes. I took up my girlfriend's directions and goofy diet plans and began to move about with her.  The China Study doesn't much mention the need for exercise. She insisted on all sorts of little things, like taking the stairs and parking far off in the seas of cars at the strip mall, just to have to walk farther. Now, I find these places as parking in the shade and a quiet place to put some clothes on. It is these small things that get a body to move. Convenience is overrated. Time management can be efficient, but not efficient health. The need for so much time management is a symptom of too much stress, and to little focus of the body that we are blessed with. It is like taking clothing off to realize what fun it is, how good it feels, to be in the moment and enjoying, living, ones existence. Modern pace isn't natural. Being slaved into efficiency to sell ones life to someone else is a loss of rightful personal boundary. These days, I'd rather do with less materially and "live" my life than embrace all of the bad habits that convention thrust on people.

So, I went veggie, but reserved one steak each week. Then, one each month. Then, I just forgot about the meat. I realized that it is a fun thing to do on occasion, but it gives a burden to my health unless I minimize or do without. The China Study further convinced me past the knowledge of personal improvement that I felt. It showed me what was down the road. Now, I had to find my own plant based diet. I'm still working on keeping health at a focus on diet and exercise. It takes time and unlearning.

The girlfriend popped up with McDougal's diet, which contained lots of potatoes. For a guy hypoglycemic, that created all sorts of issues. After years, I experimented with a live living diet and got better results. I still continue to hone my diet. We are eating all sorts of interesting and fabulous concoctions that regular Western diet, including restaurants can't compete with. We save lots of money, not eating meat dishes at restaurants. It is a cornucopia, but it comes with some extra effort and inconvenience.

The core and foundation was "The China Study" eat less protein (it is different for each individual) plant based, variety. It is just that simple. People who do, rarely contract the stuff that is killing us off early, and slowing the quality of life. So, I highly recommend reading it to anyone and let them make their own decisions after the reading.

The thing is that we are controlled and habituated into something very much unlike what has been successful for generations. Our lives are shaped by ethics that were created by economic hardship, dog eat dog capitalism, and at least in America, we have become for the most part a driven herd. The profit motive has created unhealthy eating habits. The food is designed to save time, to gobble, to be cheap on the run. The quality is horrible and inefficient. The results are obvious, just look around. The prevention is simple and effective. The healthcare ramifications are astronomical. The lies for profit are literally killing people...murder.
Jbee

[Karla]

jbeegoode, after reading The China Study I started reading Fats that heal, fats that kill by Udo Erasmus. I am still reading it but for me what the food industry does to oil and fat in order to maximise profit really is the smoking gun regarding MS in my eyes. I would definitely recommend reading this book as well. I've stopped using margarine, frying or eating anything containing an oil or fat that has been used to keep it stable at room temperature for a long time. The book describes the manufacturing processes involved and quite what effect it has on the oil and how utterly different it is compared to what about bodies are expecting.

[eyesup]

These days, I'd rather do with less materially and "live" my life than embrace all of the bad habits that convention thrust on people.

I agree 100%. I began to see all the accumulation of stuff as a type of rat race long ago. I still like to buy books and music, but we only look for things that improve life overall. I probably value different things as you, but that’s just variation.

I've stopped using margarine, frying or eating anything containing an oil or fat that has been used to keep it stable at room temperature for a long time.

Any fat product that is solid is likely hydrogenated. The most common are margarine and shortening. Oils are hydrogenated in order to increase shelf life. Hydrogenated oils get converted into trans fats in the process, which are a no-no for health reasons. Your body has a hard time using them and they usually get stored away as body fat. This will domino into all sorts of other problems.

We have used vegetable oil, olive oil and butter, mostly for cooking, for years. I still eat meats but not as much as I used to. As I mentioned elsewhere, I have lost 10 lbs. just this spring. I feel better and sleep better also. I just have to start improving the amount of my regular exercise.

More naked hiking!!!

Duane

[jbeegoode]

Yea, my veggie consumption and meat intake make the things associated with squatty pottys efficiency as different as night and day.

There are lots of pieces of information out there to sift through. "The China Study" is one of the slid ones.

My went in on Netflix a couple of months ago with my son. There are "What the Health", "Food Choices" "Food, Inc." Sustainable" "Sugar Coated" "Cooked"" Forks Over Knives""Cowspiracy: The Sustainability Secret""Food Matters""Fed Up""Hungary for Change""Fat Sick and Nearly Dead" "Vegucated""Fat Sick and Nearly Dead 2"  "Supersize Me" "Live and Let Live" available to watch. All have something fascinating to say, some of it is hyped up, there is a smoking gun and a lot of powerful liars lies being pushed for profit. Yes, you can now binge watch how sick the system is making people. Just grab a bucket of buttered popcorn and the remote control!
Jbee

[jbeegoode]

There is an article in the current "N" magazine that quotes and discusses the findings of a pair of studies that indicate that getting out in nature is dramatically good for stress, even a part of an essential human existence. Of course, something we obviously know all know from getting naked in nature. Science is catching up with the obvious, again...
Jbee

[nudewalker]

Science is catching up with the obvious, again...
Jbee

I don't think it's science catching up as much as it is debunking moralists or religious teaching. It seems that our local religious leaders have taken it upon themselves again to push for an agenda that questions scientific theories.  In other words they want to have creationism taught along with the big bang fore starters. So in that same light they would be preaching from their pulpits if either our local paper would publish an article or (heaven forbid) a local or national television broadcast would extol the wellness of being nude in nature. It's like we're going back to the dark ages again, at least in my corner of the world!