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cn11211

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Anyone cited by police?
« on: June 03, 2016, 11:12:49 PM »
Just wondered about run ins with law or court appearances.

Any stories? Suggestions?

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Re: Anyone cited by police?
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2016, 03:29:03 AM »
The first time was in 1998. We had moved from Austin to the suburbs of Houston. I was set on putting in an organic garden like we had in Austin. The back yard was 1/3 acre fenced on 3 sides. The 4th side was mostly obscured by the house. I brought home a garden mix and was unloading it in back of the house. Everything was fine until got towards the end of the load. I had to get in the truck to unload the last bit.
The neighbors on each side were friends, but I was not able to establish a relationship with the couple across the street. I wasn't not worried about them because the garage was on my side and no windows for spying. But, obviously they had caught sight of my nakedness and were offended enough to call in support. Oh yeah, he was a 30 year veteran of the Houston police force.
Anyway, I was busy tilling in the fresh mix when 3 cruisers parked out front and 6 deputies came around both sides of the house. They weren't sure where I was because there was no way to see me from the street.
Anyway, I was caught red handed, or red cheeked. My 2 1/2 year old daughter was helping me with the garden work, but that didn't seem to help my case any. They ended up getting statements from my immediate neighbors, and decided not to take it any further.
It freaked the wife out considerably, but that was the worst outcome of the incident.
I have other encounters to describe next time I have the opportunity.
Be Safe & Be Bare.
« Last Edit: June 15, 2016, 03:31:02 AM by Safebare »

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Re: Anyone cited by police?
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2016, 07:41:43 AM »
It's always the case of people that call police at the drop of a hat without attempting to discern any facts before disrupting the police and the neighbors. A simple question or two would have been more than adequate.

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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2016, 09:34:46 AM »
Way to make an impression on the new neighbor. Have him arrested without warning AND for mere nudity. Did you ever develop a rapport with the jerk? What kind of a personality was there to do such a thing?
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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2016, 10:24:15 AM »
had a few close encounters this week ,
monday i went down to exeter to collect contents of daughters flat,   coming back i came up the a30 to yeovil ,  hit chard town centre at lunch time so there were a fair few people about , but didnt think anyone noticed my state of dress,  couple of miles outside town the blue lights appeared in the mirrors.

sod it , narrowish road no obvious place to stop, so i just kept well over to the verge and carried on looking for a safe place to pull in ,   cop didnt even hesitate just shot straight by and dissapeered into the distance.

next morning  about 8.30 theres a bang on the door , policeman outside,  so i opened it (clothed)  wondering what was coming, turns out   accross the road had an attempted burglary sometime monday afternoon.

guess i shouldnt have a guilty concience.


funny thing was, monday i was driving for 4 or 5 hours in total , much of it unclothed and was passed at various times by two ambulances , and a fire engine on blues , yet normally go months without seing blue lights.

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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2016, 03:59:34 PM »
I don't think is it's a guilty conscience.

It's more like an ingrained flight response from years of being told that it is wrong to do that. I've had the same reactions.

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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2016, 06:22:28 PM »
When those lights come on it is best to play the game as though they are messing with you. Boy Scout, be prepared. Cop with nothing to do. Department that checks out all of the strangers. Tail light actually out. Suspicious, why is the guys shirt off. In the miles and miles, we can't catch every potential and some weird karma/ Murphy something pops up.

I don't jump, my fright/flight usually dissipates pretty quick, if I'm aware, because I know that the odds are likely to be just a cop doing his job and that has nothing to do with me. There is no sense in getting dressed every time I see the lights, just have something handy. If he ask why it looks as though I was putting on my pants as he approached during a stop, no biggy. The rest is legal and no laws are being broken. The law states genitals, and requires someone to see you, reasonable expectation of privacy, difficulty in actually seeing and being sure that someone is nude in their car, etc.

But guilt, residual guilt, nah, I never felt guilty for being a free man. I doubt that ric does. ;)
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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2016, 05:58:10 AM »
I was driving back home once from a hike when I had a patrol car follow me for about 4-5 miles. I was completely naked and was a little worried what to do if he pulled me over. No lights or anything. Just followed me.

Eventually he slowed down and hung a U. For all I know he was busy with the radio and wasn't even aware of the effect on me.

A little unnerving, but turned out, no big deal.

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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2016, 10:01:53 AM »
we used to run an old 4x4 that had multi coloured panels of about 4 different vehicles along with dents and mud on the rare journeys into the urban world wed often get followed , you could almost predict how long the checks on the radio would take to confirm it was all legal.

back on topic i have vague memories of a similar thread on a uk forum a year or two ago that didnt produce any actual reports of a serious problem with law enforcement.

as with anything if youre confident you know the law and can give a reasoned response to the first blustering threat designed to frighten the ignorant you can usually avoid problems escallating. 
this is aso common in relation to traffic/parking regulations, 
in the uk you can park virtually anywhere , whatever the parking restrictions , for loading/unloading the parking wardens know most van drivers know the law but do the same with a car and they (even police officers) pounce with their bluster, "move or ill give you a ticket for causing an obstruction " seems to be a favourit,  assuming the car driver is ignorant of the law.   you just have to be careful how you tell them to go bother somebody else.

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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2016, 09:49:56 PM »
My next police encounter occurred in a park on Grapevine Lake. There was an unused section of the park with a small cove that was shielded from the main area by vegetation. I had work to do, so I set up on a picnic table, working on my laptop. A woman walked by with her dog, and we chatted briefly. She could tell I was shirtless, but doubt she could tell I wasn't wear anything else. There was motor boat activity out on the lake but none close enough to decern my nudity, or so I thought.
I decided to explore the woods and was away from my picnic table for about 45 minutes or so. When I returned there was a boat in the cove, it was obvious that the people in the boat were searching for something. With binoculars!
I was standing behind some trees when a deputy sheriff came up behind me.
He said that someone had called in about a naked guy in the park and they had been looking for me for quite sometime. They saw that I had been working with my laptop at the table. He gave me a good talking to, and a ticket. I packed up and left.
I explained it all to the judge and was fined $75 for public nuisance.

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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2016, 10:07:59 AM »
"Officer, this naked guy was a real nuisance. We wasted several hours trying to spot him and missed our lunch. it's all his fault!!"
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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2016, 04:59:27 PM »
I have a sister that lives in Grapevine right near the lake. I suppose considering the location things could have gone worse.

I've always been amused at the phrase "public nuisance". In this instance it was not "the public" but an individual that was annoyed. Splitting hairs on the barrister's wig.

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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2016, 12:46:24 AM »
Remembered this later and had to look it up since it has been too long since I hav heard it. Sometimes creatin' a nuisance, isn't at all bad.

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"Kid, I want you to go over and sit down on that bench that says 'Group W'."

. . . and on the bench was . . . the meanest, ugliest, nastiest one . . . the meanest father-raper of them all . . . was comin' over to me, . . .  and he sat down next to Me. He said,

"Kid, what'd you get?"

I said, "I didn't get nothin'.  I had to pay fifty dollars and pick up the Garbage."

He said, "What were you arrested for, kid?" and I said, "Litterin'' . . . . And they ALLLL moved away from me on the bench there, with the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean, nasty things, till I said,

"And creatin' a nuisance .. . "

And they all came back, shook my hand, and we had a great time on the bench . . . all kinds of groovy things that we was talkin' about on the bench, and everything was fine.
(tip o' the hat to A.Guthrie)

Duane
« Last Edit: June 21, 2016, 12:48:30 AM by eyesup »

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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2016, 03:59:32 AM »
Wow! Invoking Arlo, over one of my meager stories. I couldn't be prouder.

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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2016, 09:36:02 PM »
Ruminations on “bein’ a nuisance”

“. . till I said, "And creatin' a nuisance.
. . " And they all came back, shook my hand,
and we had a great time on the Bench talkin' about crime . .”
               Arlo Guthrie

Arlo’s reference to “creatin’ a nuisance” is a point of pride among those characters in his song who live a contrary lifestyle. In the rock-and-roll arena the ‘jester’ is a common theme, e.g. ‘the jester’, (aka Bob Dylan) in Don McLean’s “American Pie” epic, or ‘the rebel’ in countless other rock coming of age and protest tunes.

In medieval Europe and later in the Renaissance, a fool was considered to be mad or insane. Someone lacking in necessary mental capacity. Some believed that they were divinely touched and as a result were a source of wisdom. Some fools (jesters) in court were likely dysfunctional or had learning disabilities yet were possessed of a convoluted reasoning skill that was perceived as inspired. Whatever the case they were accorded a measure of latitude in society.

The jester (or fool) has a cherished mythology in literature. They were theoretically, protected from judgement. The ‘royal person’, allowed the criticism with the intent that their judgement might remain fair and balanced. And if good fortune smiled, a bit of divine wisdom was bestowed to solidify their royal claims.

Not sure how well that worked. I suspect that the jesters and fools in Shakespearean literature are idealized. One wonders how many actual fools overstepped and paid the penalty. Being a skilled nuisance could be a “good gig” in olden days.

Today if you are talented, and skilled, you can be entertaining and get paid to ‘stand up’ and be a nuisance. Being a clever nuisance is a good gig today also. Although, today one must be careful to not cross the line and be a ‘royal pain in the arse’. Such an error in judgement by their antecedents could have resulted in a career being cutoff, or by royal decree, their head. In ages past, wandering past the boundary between being a nuisance and a provocateur, could determine where you spent the night, or eternity. Being a sloppy nuisance was a dangerous gig.

Thomas Jefferson famously said, “I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.” We could expand that beyond the political to the cultural. I believe that engaging in a little good natured nuisance is good for the soul. Not only by delivery but also in reception. The skill is to always know when to back off, provide some relief and to be as honest as possible.

Disorderly conduct, displayed by this man, is a distant relative of being a nuisance. It can have a similar effect but carries serious baggage which will define you as a threat. Yet this woman, arrested and charged, was not disorderly. It doesn’t say WHY they thought she was. If you become a threat, people will cease being an audience, become observers and allow John Law to take you in hand just so they don’t have to put up with you.

Conduct displayed by this woman, is 180º from what the above citizens displayed and she is exercising her right to go about her business topless. Not only is she not disorderly she doesn’t even qualify as a nuisance. She shows respect and consideration to law enforcement by giving them advance notice yet refuses to allow them to bully her or pressure her to back down. She holds her position that she is not breaking the law and that she is within her rights to go topless and mind her own business. Go to the home page of the blog and read of her calm and reasonable actions against absurd behavior. Inspirational.

Duane