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The Annual Coping with Winter Thread
« on: November 30, 2016, 02:42:02 AM »
Seems that each year I empathize/sympathize with you who are in cold, dizzily, overcast northern climes. Things get slow around the ol’ potbellie stove gathering place of a website. I try to dream up solutions other than moving, extended vacations, snowbirding, or just sitting frustrated in it until things begin to thaw out. Is it any wonder that the ancients and even more recents made such a fuss of the winter solstice when winter reaches an apex and the sun is talked into coming back for longer days and even spring.

I have pondered all sorts of solutions and contraptions. I’m lately into creating this sauna thing for health and social nudity conveyance. One of my responses to Reuben got me going again. Ah ha! Sauna AND greenhouse. They require some sun, a lack of cloud some of the time, but, they can be healthy naked time vitamin D gathering opportunities.

The sauna has been helping me to thaw out, this last colder week. My wood burner, an old house wood burning stove that produces 102,000 BTU, cranks up the heat in a few minutes to 80F’s. A few more and it is at least a warm summer Tucson day. This continues to extreme temperatures. A few splashes from a bucket of water and I can be in the tropics, perspiration cleansing from everywhere. Spoiled as I am, it only takes a couple of days for me to truly miss warm and feel stiff and constricted. I notice how good that it feels to step inside after standing/working outside nude on a colder day. After a few minutes, I’m refreshed and can go outside and stand some more coldness. It IS SOMETHING.

There are all of the sauna health benefits, like making the pores and the cleaning system in the body more efficient, releasing toxins that can’t be relieved as well otherwise, AND especially bundled up in winter. There is better efficiency in the system that produces Vit D. It relaxes like laying in the sun on a lounge chair. When Casey Jones really c ranks it up, it puts the body through such a number that it is like exercising hard aerobics for a much longer time.

The compliment would be the greenhouse. A glass cage, insolating the cold and winds, but not sun rays. This can be taller, a place to stand and stretch. Combined in one room, just one wall, or roof needs to be ultraviolet to gather what the body needs. I’m suggesting two rooms, a sauna and a small green house, or one with a sky window or ceiling skylight, which ever suits your latitude. It could grow veggies, but maybe that is too much an energy expense.
 
DF and I have been finding more use for the 12x10 shed (it doesn’t need to be that big at all) than gathering with friends, prayer, making music and meditation, or sharing with friends. We use a picnic table bench for massage, we dance and do chi gong in the extra space. Once the benches are put in, we’ll be doing yoga and stretching in there in the heat. It is a healthy nude playground.

It isn’t supposed to be over 6 to 6 ½ feet tall inside, so it is easy and cheap to build. Here, that is the code limit for a fence. Fence posts can be used, scrap plywood, scrap corrugated metal, or the very cheap, but labor intensive ferrocement.  Even the door is puny. It can be just a shack or a shed.

I’m using an old home heater that puts out 102,000 BTU efficiently. These can be picked up used for $50 to 300 bucks. I cleared a construction site of scrap 2x4 and 2x6 and have a ton of scrap wood to burn. I even made a spare building with the stuff and what I had on hand that needed to be used. Heating can be cheap, if you are resourceful. Wood is good exercise.
I’m saying that one could have a wonderful healthy nude reprieve from the winter in a cheap little shack in the backyard. Candle light works wonders for ambiance. It doesn’t have to be beautiful and complete, just functioning. The decor can be improved later, gradually. There is something very cozy about these things. I feel compelled to just hang out in mine. The little shack in town for nearly 40 years had the owner laying in there and falling asleep, waking up in the early morning chilly.

It can be a retreat.

The stove exhaust pipe can go out the side and across the green house and heating that room, before it raises out into the outside air. I was sitting outside the other day splitting wood with my small axe, five feet or more from the outside pipe. My nude body appreciated the heat on the breeze.

A small room of 80 square feet doesn’t need so much insulation when a 100thousand BTU stove designed to heat a 1700sq. ft. house is placed in it. Think about how a greenhouse gets heated.
 
Then, you walk outside, feel your body alive and maybe even spray off with the cold, or cool garden hose.
 
Jus’ thinkin’ in solidarity,  “What would I do if….”
Jbee
« Last Edit: November 30, 2016, 02:45:56 AM by jbeegoode »
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Re: The Annual Coping with Winter Thread
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2016, 11:02:43 AM »
in our back garden theres a veg plot with a couple of 30 by 14 foot poly tunnels, it was developed when the kida were little, youngest is now 19 so i guess the poly tunnels are 20 years old. its been rather neglected due to other things taking up too much time the 5 years or so... i guesss its 5 years since i planted anything outside. last winter one of the polythene covers on one tunnel split, the "experts" reckon they last 5 years so they aint done bad. so i only used one tunnel last summer and that one has now split.  anyway ive bought one new cover , just got to find the time to get it in place before spring, then ill get the 2nd one done aswell..  they are nude friendly places virtually any day of the year. with the  new cover theres a choice of clear or diffused, both claim to let uv through. ive picked diffuse cos one neighbour (family) has a long range view from behind and the two either side could peer throgh the hedges.

between the two parrallel tunnels theres 5 4 foot wide beds with 2 foot paved paths between, these have been strimmed off and will be covered in black plastic fairly soon so hopefully by the time the soil warms arround easter a quick rotovate will see them usable again....certainly when daughter in law is at work and the granddaughters at school.

behind that lot theres a soft fruit patch, raspberries , gooseberries, blackcurrants and a few blackberries..last couple of years its had minimal strimming to allow access to harvest some of the fruit.  the raspberry jungle in particular needs sorting to allow pint sized grandaughters to pick their own..

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Re: The Annual Coping with Winter Thread
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2016, 05:05:18 PM »
Those dreaded winter doldrums! I have dealt with SAD for quite a few years during my working years as there days on end that I went to work in the dark and returned home the same way.  There has always been an Arizona or Florida escape during those years and the last few years  have been spent in the south. This year we will once again brave the winter here with a Florida trip in late February or March.

In the meantime our house is well insulated and we have a gas furnace that is rated at 90% so it does not break the bank. So I can be comfortably nude all winter here if need be and it is much cheaper here to heat with gas than try to cool with electric! We have looked at a few houses with the thought of downsizing and enough backyard space for privacy and nudity. In the summer as it is we seldom use our clothes dryer so clotheslines are a must. The idea of a greenhouse was a thought a few years ago so that there would be sun exposure in those cold months. Or a solar room added to the house!
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Re: The Annual Coping with Winter Thread
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2016, 12:03:45 AM »
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in our back garden theres a veg plot with a couple of 30 by 14 foot poly tunnels
So do they give you a warm (er) outdoor refuge in the winter, ricc?
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Re: The Annual Coping with Winter Thread
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2016, 04:53:06 PM »
theres no wind in a polytunnel, and the ground stays warmer at night,  so you can work out there all year , though in really cold spells its best to wait for a sunny spell.   
weve had small traditional glass greenhouses but i prefer the tunnels for many reasons.

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Re: The Annual Coping with Winter Thread
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2016, 04:44:15 PM »
Sunshine! First time in five days there is sun! Even though it is 32F (0C) at least there is warmth coming through the window.
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Re: The Annual Coping with Winter Thread
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2016, 01:18:44 AM »
Sauna does have many benefits.   My first experience was with a teacher of natural healing,  but he was a sauna minimalist.  Building them in small box form with slat floor and firebox under floor.  Fire gets fed from outside that way.   4x4 was the smallest size, (what I have now and have for the last 35 years)  5x8 was the largest one he made and he commented he'd never build one that big again because it was never filled with people.   But I've decided my next sauna will be large enough for a bunch of people to relax in.   A narrow hard bench and strait wall to lean against is not really comfortable.  Room for reasonably comfortable waterproof lounge chairs or beds would be nice.   Oh and be sure to pay attention to hydration and electrolyte,  sitting in a good hot sauna is like hard exercise on a hot day.  Just without the exercise.      I think a good wall material would be cob,  just a term for clay and straw mixed.  Plastered inside and out with something to limit water eroding of the clay.  That's a good nude summer job,  making mud pies and pacing it inbetween framing timbers,   they usually put up post and braces with roof on them,  then build the walls with cob.  frame doors and windows with wood.   fireplace can be built right into the wall,  or stove pipe through it.  Perhaps a bit labor intensive,  but cheap.     

   I've always lived where there were no building codes,  I can build anything I want anywhere I want on my own property and there's no one around to tell me I did wrong,  just because some stupid code was made by some politicians who are looking for another way to collect my money.    I don't think I could live where there are such codes,  I feel it would be an unconstitutional infringement on my freedom of life,  to restrict what I want to do on my own property, especially when it will obviously hurt no one.   I've heard nasty tales of high fines and jail over nothing more than people doing stuff on their own property that harms no one, not even the environment, innocent as can be,  but they are turned into criminals.   That is serious freedom infringement going on.  It needs to be fought.   But I know religious freedom is under siege as well.  We were told it would happen over 100 years ago,  and it is.

   I have my plans as well for extensive greenhouse development,   some for streamlined food production, and some for multiplying the varieties of tropical fruits with jacuzzi in the middle.  Not so much for production as for eating healthy and practically living in.  Although the necessary humidity would be way too high for some portions of a living environment.  So a separate but connected place for the books and humid sensitive things would be needed.     They say plastic is better than glass for solar transfer, even though glass is usually much clearer.   I've used polyethylene enough to learn to dislike it,  so I will prefer multi wall polycarbonate.     And then even though it does not get excessively cold very often, there are periods of time during the winter usually when we get weeks of solid cloud cover with only an occasional day or two when the sun peeks through, temperatures from teens to 50's back and forth.    Coupled with the short days of winter it makes for inadequate light for many food plants which like full sun.  So I'm thinking of putting in artificial lighting to make up for the lack.  Of course the whole thing ends up somewhat costly and energy consumptive.  So I work on the energy end of it,  think I'm on the verge of it,  but I find it really hard to concentrate on it.  Like there's some unseen power that hates what I'm doing and is doing everything possible to prevent it from happening.  But I know who it is,  i hate them right back and will condemn them to hell and keep fighting back.

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Re: The Annual Coping with Winter Thread
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2016, 12:04:35 PM »
regarding lighting is there any scope for led daylight bulbs connected to a battery bank charged either from solar or hydro?  .  the leds are low wattage but im not sure how much infra red or uv they emit


perhaps the inner city drug growers are the ones to ask

im thinking about rewiring my barn/shed lighting , usage has changed over the years since the minimal incandesant bulbs were installed .  ive got a mains supply in , ive rcently rewired the power socket side of things to include rcd and mcbs inplace of the origional fusewires and iffy earthing arrangements from 50 years ago..
in the short term im going to rewire the lighting and put led lights were i now need them , but run the lights off an existing power socket rather than hardwired into the fusebox. plan being sometime in the future i can plug the lights into an inverter connected to a couple of old tractor batteries and a solar panel.   ill make the lighting circuit with heavy enough cable to add a few sockets for low power items,   soldering iron springs to mind. not sure what else id be able to run off a small inverter.
ac from an inverter is better than trying to run a 12 volt dc lighting system cos of the voltage drop on dc cables.

on a slightly related topic i collected a 6 foot pasture topper earlier in the week, my loader tractor has a slipping clutch so hasnt been used since last time i wanted a heavy lift , probably 6 months, its 80hp 4 cylinder with one battery, had a couple of wee car type milliwatt solar panels attached to it,  started first push of the button , from the way it spun over the battery appears to be fully charged

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Re: The Annual Coping with Winter Thread
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2016, 07:36:50 AM »
I was strolling past a grow dope at home equipment store recently. There is apparently a great deal of efficient full spectrum easy to install grow light equipment. It doesn't require the special electric hook ups etc. It is probably available cheaper on line. I just wonder if the stuff would help with SAD. I remember how florescent tubes would make my eyeballs jiggle, drying out my old hard contact lenses, and depress me, like a dozen overcast Michigan days. They still have a negative effect. I had to put full spectrum in my classroom to compensate. There was another science teacher who showed me how it worked in his classroom. everyone noticed how the kids go more calm, and the other teachers would stop in for the vibe.

If they grow plants, perhaps....
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Re: The Annual Coping with Winter Thread
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2016, 03:55:23 PM »
aparently the latest theory about full spectrum lights is that they shouldnt be used in the evenings.

apparently the body uses light to syncronise the bodyclock,  so yellowy bulbs should be used in the morning and evening with full spectrum inc uv confined to the middle hours of the day.

full spectrum in the evening can prevent the body winding down into full sleep mode,   if you dont sleep properly the body doesnt get fully into its nighttime repair mode, so  mutant cells armt destroyed which enables  them to become cancerous,

its also suggested that led screens emit a lot of blue light... akin to midday sunlight so orangy red sunglasses may be advisable for evening tv viewing and computer use.

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Re: The Annual Coping with Winter Thread
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2016, 12:37:24 AM »
This is another example of a little knowledge being a double edged sword!  I guess SAD relief by lighting is a fairly well researched phenomenon.  However, as the preceding posts indicate there is a lot we are not sure of, yet there are always 'entrepreneurs' willing to sell us products with vague references to what they might be an adjunct or adjuvant to.  I went to a conference of representatives of the electric lighting industries a few years ago as a spin off of a bit of client work I was doing.  It was amazing what they were researching - the most fascinating was a project on promoting and accelerating healing in hospitals by controlling the quality and spectrum of light the patients got.  Also they were researching the finding that substituting low energy led lighting for old style incandescent in some buildings was causing an increase in the net energy usage of the building.  This was because the incandescent lighting giving off over 80% of its emission as heat was contributing more cheaply to the heating of the building!  We still have a lot to learn about light. 

Reuben, I don't know but my biological training, many decades ago would lead me to conclude that low wattage led light might not be that good for plants.  It's the law of conservation of energy really - You see, I speculate that there must be a direct relationship between the products of photosynthesis i.e. plant material and the amount of energy absorbed.  So I opine theoretically (I have no real idea if I'm right!) that a few watts of LEDs, that might nevertheless have the right spectrum for photosynthesis, would not deliver enough energy to allow an appropriate quantity of material to be synthesised at an appropriate rate (but it may create slow and small accumulation, like your solar trickle charger).  The sun delivers an enormous amount of energy to the vegetation of the planet and that quantitatively is turned into vegetable matter. 

You probably need to google the horticultural community! :)

John
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Re: The Annual Coping with Winter Thread
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2016, 10:17:56 AM »
as you said a little knowledge is a dangerous thing
a lights wattage refers to the electricity consumed not its light emmission.  led lights are more efficiant at converting electricity to light than incandesants are.  hence a 4 watt led will give more light and hence usable energy to the plant than a 40 watt old style bulb will
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regarding the hospital , whether the heating is coming from the heating system or as a by product of the lighting doesnt effect the total energy requirement of the building, it may well effect  the cost of that energy as your swopping electric for gas or oil.
i would hope that in an ideal world energy costs of a hospital building would be secondary to the effect of the lighting on the patients.
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Re: The Annual Coping with Winter Thread
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2016, 04:55:04 PM »
It's that time of the year and we brought in the winter solstice by attending a small party which was really a pre-Christmas party. At one point the conversation turned to our childhood holiday memories and that took a turn to just memories in particular. One person admitted that as a child he would run naked in the woods not only as a child but as a teen also. He said it was a great stress reliever back then as he wasn't the best student and always felt pressure from the parents. I chimed in with doing much of the same until the suburbs moved out into the farmland where we lived. Later when we were more one on one I told him about the places nearby where a naked walk is an enjoyable still. Interested he said that we'd be in touch and we exchanged phone numbers for text messages and I also mentioned a few places online to visit including here. now we'll just have to wait and see if it was the spirits talking or if he was serious!
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Re: The Annual Coping with Winter Thread
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2016, 02:39:30 AM »
It's been cold and rainy the last week, and will continue. I've been working in clothing and not home much. I just got home after a long day, which felt wonderful. Then, I stripped off the sportcoat and kept going. That felt AMAZINGLY wonderful. Yea, I'm indoors.
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Re: The Annual Coping with Winter Thread
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2017, 01:22:30 AM »
This winter, the darkness of the season stretches long and I am really noticing it. We (my wife and I) have each suffered the season's first virus, but more than any other winter, the cast of the long nights has been recognized.

We bought some land before Christmas and since then we've been out to the site most weekends, staying in a small camper and working on a small camp. The nights seem long, but we deal with it with a campfire when the weather cooperates. Otherwise, it's into the camper for a card game, a movie, or early to bed.

I feel an inner peace when I walk the lane late in the evening under the dazzle of the night sky.

I can hardly wait for warmer weather to arrive, but then there will be bugs.

../Alf