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A New Year: Snow in Tortolita
« on: December 23, 2016, 08:31:33 AM »
Just published New Years past snow in Tortolita, with many new photos. The old text from TSNS was lost, so I rewrote the story:
https://thefreerangenaturist.org/2016/12/23/a-new-year/
This is a stunning planet.
Happy New Year!
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Re: A New Year: Snow in Tortolita
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2016, 04:17:28 PM »
What a winter wonderland! Those types of snows are  the best to go out and play in as the air temperature is not too cold plus usually the wind is not bad either. Just curious though; when we get a heavy wet snow like that it often causes power outages so was anything interrupted? I remember a few years ago lying in bed with the wife watching those big flakes fall when a flash of blue it up the sky. We thought it was thunder snow until the lights flickered and went out. Thankfully, we got power back before the house got too cold.
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Re: A New Year: Snow in Tortolita
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2016, 09:32:02 AM »
Power outage! Nah. Thunder/lightning storms, generally during monsoon is when that happens. Power surges and outages.
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Re: A New Year: Snow in Tortolita
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2016, 07:36:26 PM »
Those are beautiful pictures of the desert in snow.

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Re: A New Year: Snow in Tortolita
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2016, 08:06:04 PM »
Those are beautiful pictures of the desert in snow.
It certainly wasn't difficult taking beautiful pictures. The difficulty was deciding which ones to post AND there are quite a few to choose from. We just kept going back for more. It is just that pics can't translate the magnitude, the crisp, the smell and sound of silence and dripping, the crunch, the textures and our sense of it. The white stuff is unusual and a treat. There was a kid-like joy for us.
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Re: A New Year: Snow in Tortolita
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2016, 04:08:55 PM »

I seem to remember the snow event from TSNS.  You posted just a couple of snow-on-vegetation pics I recall; or maybe more that I forget!  Anyway, this blog seems to be a much more comprehensive album.


The snow round the pool with all the round-pool clutter is a good one for me!  Pool owners in the UK just cover up the pool and pack away the clutter in the winter so never have sunbeds covered in snow. 


If it's snowy in the UK you can sometimes go out and play in it naked but it's always painfully cold very quickly.  What was the air temp whilst you were taking the latter shots - ones with either of you walking about in snow boots and frolicking along the trail?  How long did you stay naked?  I notice you had to don coats and also the mention that it was gone by the middle of the day.  So you probably weren't out more than an hour or so at a guess?  Fill us in on that bit, please, Jbee


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Re: A New Year: Snow in Tortolita
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2016, 08:39:21 PM »
I don't know exactly. We were just focused on the moment and "how do I feel about this." I have no temperature gauge, we didn't check. For the snow to fall, it has to be at least freezing. When the sun comes out to warm, it rises above that, so I'd guess in the 30F's. It was certainly very cold around dawn, as it tends to do. There are also, those spots of warm and cold that move like rivers and settle like little fronts in gullys and around snow covered plants.

I was the nud-est. I suppose I would spent 15 to thirty minutes roaming. I'd get tired before I'd get too cold. DF is a sissy about cold temps. She experimented maybe 10 or 15 minutes a few times (maybe 3 to 5 minutes the first time  ;). Otherwise, we had terry robes to stay warm, and would take them off and hand them off to each other mostly. There was at least one total nude roam a half mile or so and then back nude efforts at night. Then, one at dawn with DF holding the robe in case I got chilled or tired. I don't remember exactly, it began to become all about the moment and the photos. Frolic, warm, frolic, warm. I don't know how much accumulated time we spent, but we hit the bed hard, probably three or four AM and then got up before sunrise at 6:00 or so. We were focused on lots of pics at that time. I wanted to observe the changes in the "island of life" areas. The snow cover provides an insulation and then moister drips and I kept sticking my hands in there to see what was going on. It protects against freeze for plants and animals, and manages to nourish. Fascinating. There are no studies that I know of. This is an unusual occurrence. 

When such an occurrence might chance again, I think that I'll crank up the sauna and try some Norwegian health therapy, with its contrasts. Snow baths, sweat baths, contrasts.

Yea, the site gives more of an Arizona Highways, travelog, aspect than TSNS. I get to show what I'm attempting to explain with pics, better taking the reader along with me. Something that books can't do. We also, can do what magazines do and take a particularly fun photo and display it for photo viewing pleasure, but I don't have to fluff them up and brag on them as they are generally mixed in. I don't consider myself a photographer presenting my work. I just want to entertain and teach.
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Re: A New Year: Snow in Tortolita
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2016, 04:59:27 PM »
The holiday mad rush is over so now I can concentrate on the more important things in life like reviewing journals to get details of events. The snowall I spoke of ended up being a twenty seven inch in total. Being a heavy wet snow, usually the result of a coastal gone inland, they tend to weigh down power lines and bring them down.

But there are two things that make those kinds of snow delightful. One: the snow acts as a sound absorbing entity which makes the area surreal and extremely quiet and surreal, so much so that even your breathing becomes noisy in the sound vacuum. Second: the air is usually quite still and the wind does not blow away the thin layer of air insulation that that protects from the cold. As long as the body does not sense a threat from the cold blood vessels will not constrict and pull blood to the vital organs leaving the skin warm. I've lasted an hour or so out in those kinds of snowfalls before heading for shelter and warmth. Mankind has developed an over dependence on clothing which if we come to face it is only useful for extremes in weather.

What you observed with the snow melt Jbee is a protection from freezing the plants. Much like citrus growers will spray their trees with water when there is a frost or freeze warning. There is a science behind it I'm sure, just too lazy this morning to research it. On the other hand I will admit that with a human body unlike plants, once the feet get wet the party's over. One attempt to do a barefoot all over in the snow had me running back to the safety and warmth of the vehicle!
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Re: A New Year: Snow in Tortolita
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2016, 09:04:43 PM »
Not that understanding the science is important, but it often can be interesting. Freezing is an exothermic reaction, while thawing is Indothermic. As the water freezes it releases the heat stored in the liquid water. That's why citrus growers spray thier crops before a freeze. The warmth stayes in the water until it starts to freeze them releases it to the tree. That is also why your hand gets really cold holding a snowball. As the snow melts, it steals heat from your hand.
Ok, I live in Southeast Texas, so all of this is only Theory.

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Re: A New Year: Snow in Tortolita
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2017, 02:45:19 AM »
My theory is that if I wear gloves, the snowball is never a problem for my hands. The stuff's too cold. ???

Water freezes slower than air creating a shield which protects the roots which are filled with water like the soil which has been freshly watered...Our freezes only last a few hours in the early morning. The sun does it in and there is nearly always sun after a freeze night. The temps don't historically dip further than the mid twenties, so there is not much temp to climb. Yea, we got cactus, succulent cactus. There is also in Tucson and "orange belt." It is an inversion layer in the foothills which traps heat and stops extremes. It was a good place to build a home, until the inversion layer began to trap the pollution, which didn't exist until the late nineteen-seventies.
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Re: A New Year: Snow in Tortolita
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2017, 09:58:28 AM »

Topic drift alert!
So, jbee, interesting remark there.  You remark that the favourable climatic inversion layer in the Tucson Orange Belt began to show pollution issues around the 1970s. 


That's interesting in that one might have expected pollution to begin to decline around then.  I opine from the basis of experience of a very different climate but my example is the UK:  In the 60's we brought in the clean air act which effectively banned domestic coal burning, converted power stations to gas and cleaned up the atmosphere (we used to get thick, sulphurous smog frequently back then which is unheard of nowadays).  Having cleaned up the air we began to clean up buildings which were black in those days and remain clean, (ish) pale Portland or Sand stone (or whatever) today.  Also in the 70s and 80s vehicle emissions began to be cleaned up with catalytic converters and better engines.  So if inversion layers exist in the uk they would have got progressively cleaner air.  Why not so in Tucson?  My guess is that Tucson never burned that much highly polluting fuel (coal and fuel oil), doesn't have so much heavy industry, the sun banishes a lot of pollutants (whereas it hangs around in the damp air in the uk, under cloud mostly) and its a region of relatively low density population.  So air was relatively clean and pure to start with.  Furthering my guesswork, I suspect the main source of pollution would be increased motor vehicles particularly those using diesel fuel from that period to the present.  If traffic is increasing a lot, the relative effect of cleaner emissions per vehicle would be somewhat offset.  If pollution remains or is worse today that would add veracity to my theory.


Am I right?  What is the reason for the Orange Belt increase in pollution and why is it a problem?  Unless pollution is REALLY bad as in Tokyo or Beijing you don't really notice it that much on a day to day basis.


I suspect I may be displaying Barroom Lawyer syndrome here as I'm just hypothesising.  You're going to tell me now, Jbee, that the pollution is due to a huge factory importing coconut shells and firing them to make artists charcoal, or that you get power from burning waste in recycling power stations which are all in the Orange Belt.  Maybe a huge volcanic vent in the Tortolitas* opened up around then vomiting forth from hadean fumaroles, brimstone and black lava with choking gaseous emissions and the searing heat of upwelling ash-laden carbonic magmas roiling and spewing from the very bowels of hell itself**. 


Give me some chapter and verse on this one, Jbee, oh sage!


John
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** I only wrote that clause for the fun of writing the purple prose!

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Re: A New Year: Snow in Tortolita
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2017, 06:07:27 PM »
Much like everything else John we lag behind when it comes to anything progressive such as clean air. Our most stringent attempts were not until the 1070's and I did not see any real effects for a decade at least. Much of our inversion woes came from the step valleys here in our mountains. I would venture to say that the effect out west is due to their height also as the Tuscon area grew in population that brought more vehicles. As our coal burning plants built taller stacks to carry the smoke away the air here became cleaner but then it caused acid rain on the east coast.

A lot of "noticing" air pollution has to do with the relative health of the person. For years I never noticed but my bad smoking habit that I picked up while at the university made me notice it when the lungs became compromised a bit. Twenty years later things are better but if it's a real humid day in the city then it's noticed.

As for the imported coconut shells we will continue to use them as sound effects when our grandson rides his hobby horse. Or if in a group use them to scare textiles off the trails from fear of stampeding horses!
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Re: A New Year: Snow in Tortolita
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2017, 03:10:29 AM »

Topic drift alert!
So, jbee, interesting remark there.  You remark that the favourable climatic inversion layer in the Tucson Orange Belt began to show pollution issues around the 1970s. 


That's interesting in that one might have expected pollution to begin to decline around then.  I opine from the basis of experience of a very different climate but my example is the UK:  In the 60's we brought in the clean air act which effectively banned domestic coal burning, converted power stations to gas and cleaned up the atmosphere (we used to get thick, sulphurous smog frequently back then which is unheard of nowadays).  Having cleaned up the air we began to clean up buildings which were black in those days and remain clean, (ish) pale Portland or Sand stone (or whatever) today.  Also in the 70s and 80s vehicle emissions began to be cleaned up with catalytic converters and better engines.  So if inversion layers exist in the uk they would have got progressively cleaner air.  Why not so in Tucson?  My guess is that Tucson never burned that much highly polluting fuel (coal and fuel oil), doesn't have so much heavy industry, the sun banishes a lot of pollutants (whereas it hangs around in the damp air in the uk, under cloud mostly) and its a region of relatively low density population.  So air was relatively clean and pure to start with.  Furthering my guesswork, I suspect the main source of pollution would be increased motor vehicles particularly those using diesel fuel from that period to the present.  If traffic is increasing a lot, the relative effect of cleaner emissions per vehicle would be somewhat offset.  If pollution remains or is worse today that would add veracity to my theory.


Am I right?  What is the reason for the Orange Belt increase in pollution and why is it a problem?  Unless pollution is REALLY bad as in Tokyo or Beijing you don't really notice it that much on a day to day basis.


I suspect I may be displaying Barroom Lawyer syndrome here as I'm just hypothesising.  You're going to tell me now, Jbee, that the pollution is due to a huge factory importing coconut shells and firing them to make artists charcoal, or that you get power from burning waste in recycling power stations which are all in the Orange Belt.  Maybe a huge volcanic vent in the Tortolitas* opened up around then vomiting forth from hadean fumaroles, brimstone and black lava with choking gaseous emissions and the searing heat of upwelling ash-laden carbonic magmas roiling and spewing from the very bowels of hell itself**. 


Give me some chapter and verse on this one, Jbee, oh sage!


John
* Or maybe Scottsdale?
** I only wrote that clause for the fun of writing the purple prose!

“The History of Pollution in Tucson, Arizona”

By Johnny B. Goode

In the late 1960’s, I arrived in Tucson. My parents built their retirement dream home on a pile of rock and cactus in the southern end of the foothills of the Catalina Mountains. From this perch, each evening they would sit on their porch, or gaze out the picture window at the city lights glistening and crisp below, as Tucson, population 240,000, stretched out. It was in the same period when the hit song, “The Lights of Tucson” could be heard on the radio. In the daytime, EVERY DAY, we could see a few small bumps on the horizon 70 miles to the south, peaks residing in Nogales, Sonora, Mexico. The air was so clean that there was a surreal quality to the view. The lack of humidity gave pollutant particles nothing substantial to grasp onto, unlike the haze that we had left up in Michigan, with its lakes, grey days, and lush vegetation.

As the 1970’s progressed, each year there were more days that we couldn’t see those tiny bumps to the south. Slowly, a majority of days were as such, until one year the increments produced the situation where we began to count the days that we could actually see those peaks. The Santa Rita’s on the south end of our valley began to look hazy, just silouettes instaed of displaying a s detailed view. A layer of yellow smog was seen from other spots, but not from our vantage point, which was in the inversion layer of smog. I watched this progression as my parents stayed with that house for over 40 years.

There is a layer of smog to be seen. It is thick and ugly each morning, engulfing downtown Tucson, as seen driving down the Interstate I-10 most mornings and reminiscent of LA or Phoenix. Each day, as things warm, it dissipates quite a bit. In the evening, those lights of Tucson look more like the glow of a thousand campfires and their smoke. For the light pollution that hurts dark skies and the local observatories (Tucson is called optics valley) we now have amber lights, but his isn’t a golden jewel because of the haze.

There have been 100F plus days when warnings occur telling people to keep their children indoors because of the ozone.

What happened:

Population is now well over 1 million in the valley, plus the noticeable winter visitor swelling of traffic crescendos at Christmas Time. Each road has a dusty dirt soft shoulder. There are dirt roads. The farm fields decrease visibly during the furrow and planting seasons (three crops each year, lettuce, cotton, mostly). The stats tell us that 42% of the visible air pollution is from diesel exhaust. We have had pollution controls on our cars, from California’s early example, since the middle 1970’s.
It must be added that we get notable pollution at times from Mongolian dust storms. When I formerly stood atop places like Kit Peak Observatory, I could see to California and Mexico in dramatic fashion. Now, a haze can be seen all the way, in any direction. We get crap from all over, and as far away as the other side of the planet. It is a global thing. I have seen the greenhouse gasses cover the entire southwest, not just Tucson, in my lifetime.

The air has gone from natural surreal to this. My baseline is perfectly clean air. I am grateful that there is a hill between me and the city, so I don’t have to look at it as a foggy cloud covering my spectacular memories.

Mix-mash of anecdote:

We have mostly pollution free industries.

Occasionally there may be a forest fire and the sky turns dark and you can smell it, even as far away as New Mexico.
 It is dry and we naturally have more dust. If you have ever hitchhiked in a dry place, you have noticed how there are little dust devils all along a road when a car passes.

In the old days we could see the pollution coming from the copper smelters and mines. These days most of that is history.

It ain’t near as bad as Phoenix, which is a Sh-t hole, seven to ten degrees hotter than here, with the associated asphalt and car exhaust heat, population over 4 million.

When the monsoon rains come and the snowbirds fly, or drive home, it is pretty here. Clouds make for fantastic sunsets, traffic is more reasonable, evenings are very comfortable and the lightning is noted as some of the more incredible in the world, things get green again, like an extra spring. Every few years, those mountains can be seen down south and the detail can be seen everywhere. 

Coconuts?!! There ain’t no coconuts for a thousand miles. We just dispose of the shell into the trash after making one of our gourmet raw food concoctions. What do people do with those shells, anyway?
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Re: A New Year: Snow in Tortolita
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2017, 08:58:38 PM »
Some of the generating plants that provide all that power are located in northern Arizona. The prevailing winds carry the smoke along with all the emissions from the visitors to the Grand Canyon, into the canyon.

Every time I have been to the canyon, north or south rim, it's always hazy. As much as I love my photos of the place I am painfully aware of how much of the colors and details are obscured by the pollution.  :'(

I have yet to got there in the winter to see if it's better. The south rim is above 6000 ft. and the north is above 8000 ft. You have to go prepared for COLD!  :o  Brrr!

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Re: A New Year: Snow in Tortolita
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2017, 09:03:04 PM »
As for the imported coconut shells we will continue to use them as sound effects when our grandson rides his hobby horse.

Ohh, dear! Python Alert!
. . . . .
Ridden on a horse?
Yes!
You're using coconuts!
. . . What?
You've got two empty halves of coconuts and you're banging them together!
So?  We have ridden since the snows of winter covered this land, through the kingdom of Mercea.
Where did you get the coconuts?
Through . . .  We found them.

. . . .  etc, etc . . . swallows . . . etc

Duane