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jbeegoode

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Free Range Without a Net
« on: March 21, 2017, 09:53:28 PM »
No back up, no net, is found in both of the two original posts of "My Most Memorable Hike" thread.

What is it that is so appealing? I know how that has felt for me, but I haven't nailed it down, except others descriptions of liberation, or feeling more naked and aware, and rush. It has at times buried resentments, as I have stood up for myself, demanding my freedom after years of body repression. It has given me that gambling risk factor and rush. It has that just go with it sense of throwing myself into a sense of freedom, akin to say, for example, jumping off a cliff and diving into water below. It is sometimes like going barefoot all over feels a further degree of the delight of naked in the world. There has been that accomplishment factor when the distance is calculated.

I feel delight when I go to Redington Pass. I now always leave any coverings in the car, sneak to the trail-head and back just for the pleasure of having less to carry, to be more naked and then more a part of the nature of it all, the physical experience. It is a safe place and I enjoy celebrating the inherent sense of it being the right thing to do. I know that when I meet others that they will expect nudity and mostly are nude as well, which would be a more practical and perfect world order, without the boundaries of a resort. No backup has much to do with expanding boundaries that have been imposed.

During my backpacking trips, I relish the point when I can stuff my covering away with the cold weather protection in the pack and feel the environment even more. I always wait until the last minute, when I become uncomfortable, before putting on clothing and then I only cover what is necessary to that purpose. I delight in my aware sensitive nude state.

I am looking forward to backpacking and experimenting with not covering during encounters far in the back areas this season, which hasn't been my policy before. I'll be dealing with my knee jerk responses, my conditioned responses, standing proudly as a human being without shame. I'll be tuning into the nature of my surroundings and less with the preoccupation of catching other hikers before they are aware of me. I assume that I'll learn to trust people more, because I will be conditioned to realize and feel comfortable with the fact that most, 95 plus percent of others, are reasonable and will not be alarmed. My reaction will be more natural in time and consequently, I'll be more natural in my skin, as I was intended to be. This is something that I have known only among socially nude situations. So, I figure part of the no back up draw is to feel accepted as I am and drop the social conventions and then experience better the nature within me. I know that it will enhance my sense of being in the wilderness. I know that from my base camp, I can travel with just a water bottle, or a water filter, feeling even more naked in nature and within trust of what I have been given and those natural blessings.

What is it about feeling more naked, the desire to be more naked, the act of becoming just that? Could it be a desire learned during that first time as a kid and being naked out of doors and wandering where I wasn't supposed to? Is it to re-experience that amazing rush that I felt decades ago? Is it something inherent in a human being to let go and let God and appreciate aspects of that gift in that domain? I certainly do feel more alive without the net.

Can it be akin to a young man going out alone to make a life, or on a vision quest? There is something about packing and hiking alone rather than with someone. When it is night and there is no one there but you and the shadows and fears at camp, there is a growth and a need to find a trust in "Something." One has to come to terms with trust. Or there is to rationalize the reality, which always comes down to the ease, feelings and trust of the unpredictably of the immediate situation. When I'm alone naked, I feel more of a comfort with being alone than when I am bundled up in a bivy or a tent. The boogey men and giant bears can't seem to touch the naked one, although the creepy little biting stinging critters can. I can't place a finger on it, yet. Maybe more solo adventures will reveal it, but naked feels more a part of. So, there we find a naked guy standing alone in a wilderness and he is having a spiritual/religious experience! There IS something more than the fact of a goofy unclothed man and a bunch of trees. The clothing steals the trust. The less clothing, the more trust is known, or needed. The more trust needed the more trust is found and the deeper the experience.

There is something compelling about getting out there nude and the greater the sense of naked the better.

There are also those which like to take risks, the gamblers. They take elaborate measures to trap themselves from any clothing covers and have to find their way back to safety. There is a physical rush and alarm. It is to feel more alive to a civilized person. This tendency is why we have Las Vegas and 12 step programs. It isn't always about winning, or not losing. It is about the rush, the fear, the risks. But, what are the risks of being seen naked in an unusual situation? Reality eventually sets in diminishing the returns, or an arrest takes place. Sometimes the rush is terrifying, or destructive. No backup can be just a dare, or something brave to accomplish. It can give a false sense of mastery. Whatever, it does enhance the experience of simple nudity.
Jbee
« Last Edit: June 15, 2017, 02:51:48 AM by jbeegoode »
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Re: Free Range Without a Net
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2017, 10:17:12 PM »

Gosh, JBee this is an out of the blue post!
Unusually for me I can't do much more than agree - the 'why' of the need to be naked and the enjoyment thereof is mysterious indeed.
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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2017, 04:49:41 PM »
Liberation? In many forms by the way of not having a net or back up. Yes, my first excursion was more of a dare and planned in such a way to make any encounter minimal! Little did I realize that bird watchers get out early to catch those early morning feedings! So although the mission was accomplished as it was planned the encounter was an added bonus as I was able to use it as a learning experience not only for myself but hopefully for the other person. Most of all I was able to face the person without shame or guilt which gave me a whole new attitude!

I was the beneficiary of having a one hundred acre plus old farm homestead of a coworker to wander about naked except during hunting season. In fact the only reason clothes were even taken when I visited was in case of a pit stop along the road. Even had a gated locked entrance so encounters would be highly unlikely. It was my own little bit of paradise until the fracking came into the picture. The rest of the family wanted the financial windfall that came from the well and pipeline on the property so I lost that little bit of Eden.

My question concerning those who enjoy the risks; are they gamblers or exhibitionists? Is the thrill the enjoyment of being naked and enjoying nature or is it the thrill of not being caught? As Jbee mentioned the reason Las Vegas and twelve step programs exist. On that note maybe we need to develop a twelve step program for textiles?
"Always do what you are afraid to do"-Emerson

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Re: Free Range Without a Net
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2017, 11:15:59 AM »
the only place i ever go freerange without a net is on the beach , normally on fuerteventura, the beach is a 5 minute walk from our apartment , i can leave all the parafanalia in a stone circle with the mrs and wander off along the sand for an hour or so. occasionally ill even leave my glasses behind.... a distinctive towel or shirt draped over the front of the stones helps with finding the right resting place.

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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2017, 12:42:06 PM »
Most of my unsupported walking and cycling is direct from the apartment we rent on Fuerteventura typified by this short clip of taking the rubbish and recycling.

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Re: Free Range Without a Net
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2017, 03:01:25 PM »
Most of my unsupported walking and cycling is direct from the apartment we rent on Fuerteventura typified by this short clip of taking the rubbish and recycling.


Even the most mundane tasks are better naked.   Yep.    You seem to have developed a bit of a limp in this video.  I hope it was temporary.

I'm wondering if the local Fuerteventura people wander about naked, or is it just the naked tourists? 

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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2017, 03:57:02 PM »
Most of my unsupported walking and cycling is direct from the apartment we rent on Fuerteventura typified by this short clip of taking the rubbish and recycling.


Even the most mundane tasks are better naked.   Yep.    You seem to have developed a bit of a limp in this video.  I hope it was temporary.

I'm wondering if the local Fuerteventura people wander about naked, or is it just the naked tourists? 

Bob
The limp has been developing for about five years now - a worn out knee which will need replacing at some stage (my doctor knows about it and has had it Xrayed) but all the time it does not interfere too much with my lifestyle I'm not bothering.
As far as I'm aware it is just the tourists and incomers that indulge in naked walkabout.
JOhn

Do not do unto others as you would that they should do unto you. Their tastes may not be the same.
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Re: Free Range Without a Net
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2017, 11:32:48 PM »

We've sympathised with your knee for quite some time, JOhn, have we not, and seen it develop but continue to offer good wishes that it remains manageable.  I agree with Bob, it's become more noticeable in this recent clip.  Does it give you a lot of pain?  As I discovered when I had Plantar Fasciitis, that an assymetrical gait (in my case a very slight outward rotation of the right leg with every step when I walk) has all sorts of effects elsewhere on and in the body and the old skellington.  You need not only to keep an eye on the knee but look for other effects of an asymmetric gait such as other knee strain, back problems, digestive problems, tendency to do pirate impressions etc.
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Re: Free Range Without a Net
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2017, 08:07:42 AM »
Quote from: Jbee
. . . there is no one there but you and the shadows and fears at camp, there is a growth and a need to find a trust in "Something." One has to come to terms with trust.
I think you are right. For me there is a spiritual aspect to my naked ramblings and it does relate to trust. In yourself, God, others or whatever it is you think is needed. We always are hesitant to trust in anything or anyone because of the risk involved.

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Re: Free Range Without a Net
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2017, 10:40:49 PM »
Could you elaborate, Eyesup?
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« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2017, 04:58:38 PM »
I'm sure Eyesup will elaborate but just let me add my take on the spirituality of being naked outside. If you recall all the major pronouncements in the Bible were made outdoors. Think of the Burning Bush and the Commandments; in fact Jesus's most important statement of Christian living came from the Sermon on the Mount! For this Christian I take some notice from the nuns who taught me that God is everywhere. I think trust and faith go hand in hand, fear is a product of shame as was mentioned in the Garden of Eden.

That's not to say we should be blind in our faith either, the world is a dangerous place and the wilderness is unforgiving. Every year it seems there are green horn campers who don't understand and are upset when the raccoons in particular have a feast at their expense. Although I've never encountered anything but tracks bears have been known to destroy campsites in search of an easy meal. Myself, I'm concerned more with the two legged predators than the natural ones.

But back to the premise; I have mentioned before on other forums I'm sure that often when I return from a naked hike the wife asks, "Did you have a good talk with your God?". She understands my connection with nature and my spirit and how I'm often very clear headed on my return. It is easier to listen to oneself and your God in the quiet of nature!
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2017, 06:27:33 PM »
I agree with nudewalker. Some of what I meant by my spiritual comment has to do with being aware of where I am, in nature, and that for me I am in the midst of God's creation. It keeps me thinking of Him because I am reminded of Him everywhere I look.

It's like the purpose of fasting. Maintaining the fast keeps you focused on why you are fasting. Some use meditation. When I walk in nature it is a form of meditation. Getting rid of all the garbage that clings to me, as nudewalker says, clears my head.

That's kind of it in simple terms.

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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2017, 08:23:11 PM »

Quote from: eyesup
When I walk in nature it is a form of meditation. Getting rid of all the garbage that clings to me, as nudewalker says, clears my head.
That's it exactly as far as I'm concerned! I have often described my shedding clothes and moving into the nude state as doffing the burdens of life and living free for a while.  Walking itself is a form of meditation, walking naked, particularly amongst trees, is transcendental!
John


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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2017, 10:10:28 PM »
During our recent trip to Aravaipa and Eden Hotsprings, I did my best to get that no backup feeling. At the Hot Springs the grounds were fully clothing optional. I went to the pool barefoot and even left my towel behind. I put on shoes to walk up the hill for the sunset gathering and took a robe in case it got chilly. I didn't need it, opportunity lost, something cumbersome in my arms, but it was comfortable and cushy to sit on. We spent the evening in the warm and hot waters, so I only needed a flashlight, then.

In Arivaipa Canyon, the weather was chilly with patches of rain and sprinkles, much of the time. I had decided to just be bare in the wilderness a few weeks before. But then, I found that the ranger was somewhere in there and I needed a shirt for my shoulders and back, I would be exposed in one of the numerous quick snaps. After scouting out the area and saying goodbye to the ranger, we did have some place for freedom, but then the inclement weather required a clear plastic rain pancho and something warm. I was wearing the pancho, mostly, to keep my clothing from getting wet. Oh well, a kind of Murphies law for me.

'Ol Murphy! Each time I feel brazen enough to just take encounters technically nude, because only a very few really care, some obstacle pops up. A couple of times, people with children, who might object or feel uncomfortable for no good reason, have popped up, just when I started my experiment in practical liberty. After not seeing anyone for a couple of days, I squat and they show up at the precise wrong time. Liberating adventures and exciting stealth experiences with no backup have only been in the Tortolita area and at Redington Pass. It's a just my luck kind of thing. It is similar to the earlier days, when I was just getting used to hiking nude and other activities. Murphy doesn't happen when I'm confident.

I wonder if it is an energy attraction thing, because the Murphy's Law thing happens so uncanny-like. Once I tone down my own reactions and fears, justified or not, perhaps opportunities will present themselves. The shadow pops up when you are not settled with it. The warmer hiking seasons are just beginning. The remote mountain trails will be different. I'll be hiking with my sarong on my shoulders, strapped down with the backpack straps, no backup. As long as I stay away from less crowded areas, like camping grounds, there should be no problem legally. The Forest Service has no interest in it. The super minority, as we know, are not reasonable people and only less than a handful out of a hundred. It should be a piece of a more perfect world out there, not being bothered and not bothering anyone else. It will probably be several hikes before one hundred people are passed and I receive a nasty look or comment from someone who can't mind his, or her own business.

Does anyone else have a perception of the phenomenon of Murphy? Does it get in the way of the enjoyment of nude hiking. Has it seemed to be a law of attraction? Does it inhibit the practice of the craft?
Jbee

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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2017, 08:16:18 PM »
I am always aware of Murphy. He lurks, looking to pounce.

I like your observation of confidence acting like a mosquito repellent to Murphy. Maybe Murphy is actually a creature of the ID. Arising only when our confidence flags or we become so weary that he senses our fatigue.

Hmmm . . .

Duane