Naked personality

[jbeegoode]

The hard sale is abuse. Those telephone solicitors are abuse. Lies are abuse, but then there begins another grey area.

Minding ones own business instead of the intention to mess with someone else, to act with the purpose of disruption, or to make an unwanted point is something of a defining line. But, there are free speech and expression issues, that someone may not want to hear, like political remarks. Sometimes these have to be obnoxious to the powers that be and those who support them.

So, nudity as political expression is legal except when it is to protest anti-nudity laws. Nudity with sexual connotations are everywhere within reason. What is within reason? What does that mean; it is very grey? It is very opinionated. But then, mere nudity, which has nothing to do with anyone else, is not legal.

Now, what Bob is proposing, to be seen, is that legal, directed at someone who doesn't want it, a political act, minding his own business, is there a sexual connotation if prudes see it as sexual, unsolicited?

These are very confused and so bestowed upon us by the very confused, and therefore the worst of authority. In ignorance. So, obviously the points of prudes and the repression of nudity is not worthy of respect and not a legitimate response.

Anyway, back more directly to the basic topic, Meyers Briggs personality test is the most extensive, long practiced, inclusive and scientific personality test that I know. There are something like 36 personality types, with much grey and mixing. Still I believe that everybody is a naturist, they just don't know it yet.
Jbee

[eyesup]

It is part of being open. Whether seeking like minded open personalities is a key means for spreading naturism, I can not say.

I agree with Jbee that sharing may not be the right word although I know what you mean when you say it. For me it implies mutual support.

I generally tend to be a bit reserved when meeting new people. The closest I come to “oversharing” would be if I had a chance meeting with a kindred spirit. Then, I recognize that and the reserve begins to disappear. I am more willing to talk about all sorts of subjects. But I don’t think I’ve ever gone that overboard.

There is a dark side to the open personality . . .  It leads to questions: like am I over sharing, did I share with the wrong person or . .  did I post something that was too honest.

Do you mean like realizing you have opened a sensitive subject without discovering whether the person can maintain a confidence or maybe offending with an honest opinion?

The cure for over sharing is showing real interest in others. Learn who they are ask questions that get them talking.

Listening and paying attention to what is being said is becoming a lost art. There can be no communication if you don’t know what the subject being discussed is.

Duane

[eyesup]

I have always believed that exhibitionism is rooted in narcissism and is intended to attract attention. Forcing someone to witness more than simple nudity by including them in your sexual fantasy. If the nude person sees their nudity as casual and normal, that wouldn’t be exhibitionism.

I would classify streaking as a form of protest or lampooning. Poking fun at someone or an organization.

I have spent a considerable portion of my life learning that not everyone is the same. As a result you will meet a perfect gentleman or woman and a split second later bump into a type A personality that could ruin your day if you allow it. I’ve figured out that I have to be able to handle both. It’s called adapting.

As long as being nude in public is illegal, nude behavior will be construed as abusive. The truth of it is irrelevant, only the perception seems to matter. Too many people are far too worried about fragile egos and whether someone’s feelings have been hurt. Freedom of speech carries the “OBLIGATION” to allow others the same right as you claim without the demand that they believe the same.

Most people don’t seem to grasp the concept.

Duane

[eyesup]

What I dislike with many so called nudist sites and site on Flicker is the rampant lifting of photos from other sites and the too many sexually suggestive images. Most of these are young women posed in such away that is suited for a pin-up calendars.

They remind me of Playboy. Posed to be alluring without the benefit of any substance or experience to validate the allure.

Duane

[reubenT]

While enjoying nakedness seems to be a general thing across all society and intelligence levels,   (some societies being more open to it than others due to their background)    I did meet several people of above average intelligence at the nudist resort I went to last June.  Looking forward to going back when I get opportunity.   I find it hard to make friends sometimes,  hard to relate socially in some ways.  So sharing where I come from and what I like doing is one way I pick up a friend here and there.  Trouble is,  what I'm interested in is not what most people are.   
   Even though not having official schooling much, since I started reading I started delving into technical literature and to this day work on researching and trying out inventions.  Was building one today that has been patented but not manufactured,  likely never will be since certain large energy interests would be against it,  but if I can make it work I sure can use it to build up my desired systems of operation.   My mother was heading into being a chemist and loving it,  but then decided her family was more important than a career.   There was always an element chart on the wall,  referred to it frequently.    I find myself hating sports,  hating parties,   but loving certain areas of technology, particularly energy generation.  Was into ham radio young, (for the technical side, had a hard time making conversation)  then learned general mechanics,  adding machining and foundry later.   I learned a lot about natural healing,  and horse training,  and then soil fertility management for nutrient dense food. 

   I'm just interested in too many things.   Can't ever get around to do them all.    Does being open to naked living go with the more intellectual type?     I don't know for sure.   Maybe it's just those who made more money in life can afford to hang out at a nudist resort, and those same happen to be on the above average intellectual list.  The lower level made less money and do more nude home hanging out.    Just in general.   There are those who were super high level minds who made little money,  and those of little intelligence who made lots.   But the latter few and far between, usually if handed wealth they blow it.    Nicola Tesla was a man of greater mind than I can get mine around,   but he was very poor at managing money.  Too focused on his train of thought and the next experiment to have any mental room for money development or even a social life.  Some things he invented would have been a massive benefit to society,  but since it promised to put certain big business out of business he was stopped and they keep stopping it ever since. 

[eyesup]

Does being open to naked living go with the more intellectual type? I don't know for sure.

To prefer naked living there needs to be a comfort with and/or confidence in yourself and what you believe. I don’t think education or money has anything to do with it. All those things affect is how you do the naked living.

Fortunately you can be from anywhere and be any type person and choose naked living.
To me it’s a truly equalizing way of life.

Duane

[Greenbare Woods]

Anyway, back more directly to the basic topic, Meyers Briggs personality test is the most extensive, long practiced, inclusive and scientific personality test that I know. There are something like 36 personality types, with much grey and mixing. Still I believe that everybody is a naturist, they just don't know it yet.
Jbee

Some years ago i did some reading about the Meyers Briggs personality test.  I guess its accurate.  I'm not sure its relevant.

My conclusion after observing people for all my life is that virtually every human has a deep desire to see other humans, and to be seen and approved by other humans.  Humans spend huge amounts of time watching films of other humans, reading "celeb" magazines about other humans, watching TV and now sharing selfies on Internet.

My wife long observed that the amount of effort a culture has to put into holding a taboo is a measure of how deeply the people want to do whatever is taboo.  To keep nudity taboo they have to use very powerful shame, sin, fear, punishment, and other manipulative tactics.  And still people fight it off.  Now that people can share selfies in the privacy of our own home there are literally millions of naked selfies posted and shared every day on the Internet.  And they come from all cultures.  India is getting big into naked selfies now. 

I believe that the "nude personality" is HUMAN.   Give people permission.  Or often just let them get away with it privately.  BAM!  Another naked selfie is posted.  And equally they are LOOKING AT everyone else's naked selfies.  They "friend" each other.  People who post nudes of ordinary people have thousands of "friends" or "followers."  I've only been posting nude photos of a grumpy old man and I have almost 100 followers already on Twitter.  People want it. Ordinary people want it.  The personality that wants to see and be seen is HUMAN. 

We need to be pushing public acceptance.  Stop accepting the taboo.  Give people permission to be naked.

[kensunwalker]

I studied personality tests as part of my doctoral studies.  The Meyers Briggs test (and really all personality tests) are unreliable because they simplify the fact that people behave differently in different situations.  (naturists know that of course.)  One author called them management astrology.

[Greenbare Woods]

One author called them management astrology.

LOL.  Management astrology is a good term for such tests.   My big problem with those tests was that they are all way to vague to use for any practical purpose.  You get a score, something like, "Mr. Smith is an IJTB"    WTF?   How is that gobbledygook going to improve production or sales? 

[eyesup]

My wife long observed that the amount of effort a culture has to put into holding a taboo is a measure of how deeply the people want to do whatever is taboo.

Good point and probably correct.

Duane

[eyesup]

The Meyers Briggs test (and really all personality tests) are unreliable because they simplify the fact that people behave differently in different situations (naturists know that of course.)  One author called them management astrology.

Under the official bylaws, which are still in abeyance and under challenge, of the hypothetical society of contrarians that I have refused to join, I am expected, not required, to not participate in all evaluations.

The inherent value of any survey would necessarily be rendered nil by the contrarian participant. The additional request to all contrarians is to confound the data by intentionally behaving, well, contrary.

Duane

[eyesup]

Wow!

When I logged on there were 27 guests viewing the site.
Busy day!

Duane

[JOhnGw]

Duane, you have unfortunately reminded me of a notice which appeared in a student newspaper.

The secretary of the Apathetic Society can't be bothered to thank all those who did not attend the AGM which was not held in the Great Hall at 7:30 on 23rd October.

[jbeegoode]

Meyers Briggs was the one that personality test that I found reliable enough to be useful, but I found none definitive in my graduate studies. I certainly understand the comparison to astrology, very clever.

It does show that there is a human tendency to see people as ones own perspective. An Alcoholic may believe that everybody drinks some and culture as much to do with bars. Then they are shocked that statistics tell them that actually most people don't drink and the 10% of the population drinks 90% of the booze. An engineer sees others from a more mechanical perspective, A tea party person may think that he is in a majority and get surprised. There are plenty of examples. So, the test over decades now has sorted things out. There are many personality types. They all have grey areas fusing into others, exceptions come by that. This is good to know when people start lumping people together. There are only tendencies to identify, a piece of a greater puzzle.

The way to identify a potential nudist by personality, is someone who likes being naked. Which I believe is true of not only certain personality types, but every personality type, once the social restrictions weaken and opportunity exist.
Jbee
Jbee

[nuduke]

I did a Myers Briggs several times over my career,  I always found it very descriptive of me and it followed the changes in me with time and experience, changing somewhat between the first and last which were many years apart.  However, I am aware of the debate around its capacity to describe accurately in some situations.  Nevertheless, knowing how my profile pans out and in conjunction with a number of other ways of opening up self knowledge, I have found it useful over my working life and I keep a self-eye on my personality and behaviours whilst interacting in business-like activities (such as voluntary work) as that helps be a good soul in teams and committees.


If this forum is any comparison I think the general intellectual standard among naturists must be above average.  However, looking at the level and standard of interaction other, sometimes more active, naturist forums, I think the opposite might be true!


John