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Re: A busy morning walk...
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2017, 11:26:52 PM »
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We have had Beauty since August
What's her breed?  From your description she seems very large e.g. a Great Dane!
Was she rescued from very bad circumstances?  There's a guy lives near me, must be late 70's at least, took on a rescue dog that was very mentally damaged as well as needed physical rehabilitation.  I have seen in the last couple of years as the dog takes him for a walk twice a day passing our house, him turn her from a skinny neurotic animal to a fit, muscular family pet albeit still rather nervous of strangers.  I can tell it was very hard work.  What was your & Beauty's experience?


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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2017, 12:38:05 PM »
John,

We believe that Beauty is a cross between a Neapolitan Mastiff and an American Bulldog, apparently quite a popular cross although I have never heard of one before. If you don’t know what a Neapolitan Mastiff looks like, do a search for the World’s Ugliest Dog 2017 which was won by a Neo called Martha. (Very unfair in my (not unbiased) opinion; but I guess they could not have a Chinese Crested win yet again). She looks rather like a big Staffie, about the size of a large Labrador and has the solid muscular build that you’d expect from those parent breeds. I really must make the effort to take some decent pictures of her.

According to the Rescue Centre (and their story changed a bit depending on who we spoke to, so I cannot say this is correct with any degree of confidence) Beauty had been used as a breeding dog and has had 7 litters of pups. Certainly, when they took her in she was expecting although she was so thin that they did not realise that until she gave birth to 14 pups three days later. Two were stillborn and a further eight did not thrive and had to be put down. After giving birth, Beauty weighed 20Kg compared to her current healthy weight of 42Kg. She also developed mastitis and could not rear her pups, so they were passed on to another dog to nurse.

By the time we took her on, several months later, her weight was up to 36Kg and she looked reasonably healthy. However, she was still pretty protective of her food around other dogs and flinched if anyone raised a hand sharply. She has evidence of a broken rib and we suspect she has had a beating or two.

The first time I saw her she was miserable, no enthusiasm for anything, no interest in what was going on and little interest even in treats. We spent about five weeks visiting her at the rescue centre just getting to know her and introducing Hazel in the hopes that Beauty would not eat her. By the time we brought her home, she had got to the point of greeting us with a wagging tail and asking for treats. She also had a very strong fear of traffic, so that we could not walk her along main roads or even to the car from the rescue centre.

The first afternoon we had her, I was stood at the sink washing a few dishes when I heard an unfamiliar growl behind me. “Not good” I thought, but when I turned she was stood behind me wagging her tail. We have now found that she is very vocal with lots of different growls that mean different things and other noises that also have meaning. She and I often stand and growl, or howl at one another (Yeah OK, I’m mad) and Carole and I can now tell what she wants most of the time just from the noises she makes. There are distinct sounds for “please open the door”, “I’m hungry”, “why are you not rubbing my ears?” and so on. We’ve never had such a talkative dog.

The food protection habit has gone and she will happily share with Hazel once she has had what she wants (she also waits for Hazel to finish before diving into Hazel's bowl). The only issue we really have with her now is that she is rather boisterous when she plays. Dogs generally don’t mind although some small dogs clearly find her rather intimidating. Sadly, many owners are incapable of reading the body language and seeing that it is play and they get upset and aggressive. (One idiot once told me she was a vicious animal and if I let her near him again he would kick her. His face went a funny colour when I asked him what he thought would happen if he kicked a vicious dog that was nearly as heavy as he was and far fitter and stronger. If seems he had not considered the possible consequences of his proposed course of action.*) Unfortunately, this sort of silly reaction has lead to us usually keeping her on a lead when we walk her. Not that Beauty seems to mind.

She is still a little cautious around strangers but, since Carole has customers coming to the house regularly (she is a hairdresser, working from home) Beauty has become far more comfortable with people in general than she was. She also seems to have an exceptional memory for faces / smells. Once she has been introduced to a customer she does not bark at them again.

All in all, I reckon we have been very lucky with her. She has been pretty easy, has adopted Hazel well (they play fight for an hour or so every day, lots of noise and torn up lawn but no injuries to either of them) and has fitted in well with our life. We really could not have asked for more.

Have fun,


Ian.


* In fact, he would not have had an issue with Beauty, but there was a fair chance that he would soon have been wondering how to deal with a very p155ed off owner, particularly as it was his little dog (off the lead and uncontrolled) that was causing any trouble. Beauty was on a short leash and showed no aggression at all until the other dog ran up to her snarling and barking.
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Re: A busy morning walk...
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2017, 10:26:22 PM »
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If you don’t know what a Neapolitan Mastiff looks like, do a search for the World’s Ugliest Dog 2017 which was won by a Neo called Martha.
Every photo I saw of Martha indicated she was singularly unimpressed with her celebrity. ;D

She was snoozing in every one. Is such aplomb and casual acceptance of the award an indicator of the personality of the breed?

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« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2017, 10:28:22 PM »
Your wondering about how Beauty may have been treated sounds like Franklin, one of our rescue dogs. Very skittish and sensitive to loud noises. We don’t know what happened but we do know that animal control was called by a neighbor and they took the dog from the previous owner. It took us a while to get past most of whatever treatment had caused his behavior. He weighs 95 lbs (43.1 kg) and if you happen to be sitting on the floor, he thinks he is a lap dog. Oooof!

We think he is a mix of German shepherd and lab. I believe there may be some hound dog in there. Benjamin looks like a mix of golden retriever and chow. My wife thinks some pit bull, maybe. They are now our dogs and have settled in and are happily keeping the back yard ripped up (we have re-sodded twice since they have been here). We are waiting until they get a little older and start to slow down before we do it again.

In the mean time, we just keep sweeping the floors.

BenjaminFranklinExhausted after tug-o-war

Rescue dogs are the best!

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Re: A busy morning walk...
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2017, 01:26:50 AM »
Well, Ian, that seems like a pretty positive and heartwarming story.  The journey of my neighbour's rescue dog I described was certainly much more difficult.  It is so sad that there are so many dogs that have been ill treated by their owners.  It is a grim indictment on human nature that there are people willing to eke out their own cruelty and personal baggage on innocent pets that in better circumstances would, as you have proved, be pleasant companions and happy animals.
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This is not in dispute!
In fact your story seems a pretty sane one to me.  Not being particularly doggy myself, nevertheless I too if I get a dog barking at me, I sometimes 'converse' with it in that I might [/size]bark back.  Usually confuses them, sometimes shuts them up but not exclusively!  Surprises the owners too, having a mad dog human approaching!John

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« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2017, 09:46:49 AM »
Duane,

Those two look like a great pair of characters. Our first dog was a German Shepherd/ Labrador cross and was a great companion with many of the GSD behaviours but moderated by the easy going and playful  Labrador approach to life.

We will certainly consider another  rescue in future.

Have fun,


Ian.
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Re: A busy morning walk...
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2017, 12:08:24 PM »
our current cat.. fred... is very vocal.... mrs not a cat person thinks hes  whinging all the time , but if you stop and listen hes actually greeting and could be  trying to converse.   he even trys to talk through a facefull of rabbit.

a few years ago we took on our brother in laws cat when he emigrated to spain....hed been a rspca resue cat ... it hid under the settee when i rolled up a newspaper to swat a fly.

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Re: A busy morning walk...
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2017, 07:52:47 AM »
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She and I often stand and growl, or howl at one another (Yeah OK, I’m mad)
Both of ours do the same. They know exactly when supper is and will come and look at us, “SO! Why are you just sitting there?”

They also growl, howl and bark when they want attention as if it were a conversation. We growl and talk right back.
Good fun!

Duane

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« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2017, 08:04:35 PM »
I was asked for pictures of Beauty so after a rummage through my files I have found a few that give an idea of how she looks. These were taken on a recent holiday in the Derbyshire Peak District.


Beauty with Carole and Hazel on a recent walk near the start of the Pennine Way (far too busy to consider a naked walk.)


Waiting patiently outside a pub and hoping that Carole was ordering a sausage sandwich…


Hazel was also waiting hopefully (note the eyelashes she loves to flutter at people when she’s pretending she’s cute).


Beauty waiting outside another pub (yes, that was a bit of a theme on this holiday)

Just about every other picture I have of her she is asleep. This is definitely a dog that knows how to relax.

Have fun,


Ian.
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Re: A busy morning walk...
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2017, 08:42:13 PM »
A couple of good looking dogs, Ian.
They look like fun!

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Re: A busy morning walk...
« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2017, 10:44:27 PM »

How old is Beauty?  The grey hair on her nose suggests a mature age.


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« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2017, 07:48:04 AM »

How old is Beauty?  The grey hair on her nose suggests a mature age.


John
Honest answer? We don't really know. The rescue centre said they thought she was between 6 and 7, so we are guessing at seven and a half now.

Trouble is, we don't know how much the rescue centre knew. They contradicted themselves a few times in that some of the things they told us  they could not possibly know unless they had been told and then they said that she had been dropped in by someone who knew nothing about her history.

Have fun,


Ian.

PS I met a different game keeper in the same woods yesterday. Snotty oik and miserable with it. He moaned about where I was and then claimed I had been told repeatedly not to walk naked (completely untrue). I bit my tongue and finished my walk as planned. I will mention that to the head game keeper next time I see him.
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« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2017, 12:12:01 AM »
We went through the same discussion when we picked up Benjamin & Franklin. The ages we were given were estimates. They checked teeth and a couple other indicators for that.

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« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2017, 11:18:51 PM »

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Snotty oik and miserable with it
A piece of extremely idiomatic British English there, American friends! :)
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« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2017, 11:22:19 PM »

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Snotty oik and miserable with it
A piece of extremely idiomatic British English there, American friends! :)
John
I could not resist spreading a little real English to those across the pond.

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Ian.
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