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Re: Encounters...what to do?
« Reply #345 on: March 13, 2017, 05:32:02 PM »
I started hiking naked in New Mexico, USA.  Often the trails were carved out of the side of a steep mountainside, too steep to get off the trail without risking your life.  I would be hiking along enjoying the sunshine when someone going the other direction would come around the next bend of the trail.  One of my most common hiking trails led to a clothing optional hot spring, about 2 miles.  Getting off the trail and hiding just wasn't an option.   The sound of the rushing stream covered any noise the oncoming hikers may have made.  So there you were, naked in the trail, with other hikers coming toward you. 

The options became 1. apologize and cover.  acknowledge dong wrong by being naked.
 or  2.  continue on naked as if nothing was wrong.  Just say "good morning" when you passed close by.

I got quite used to doing the second option.   I also began boldly being naked on other trails even if I could have madly covered or hid.  I declare myself acceptable. I am not some shocking or offensive sight. I am not "indecent" or "obscene" for being me. 

The police really hate hiking up a trail to arrest anyone for a minor problem.  In most areas they won't bother even if someone comes into their station to complain.  The record of witnesses bothering to show up in court is close to zero even if they did find and arrest someone. 

Don't be naked in the parking lot where they can arrest you from their car.  The police is PAID with your money to go to court against you.  He will show up.  Not so for the backwoods witness.   
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Re: Encounters...what to do?
« Reply #346 on: March 13, 2017, 06:06:22 PM »
Just make sure you keep both jars, nudewalker. Since your wife doesn't join you in your naked activities, she would at least be contributing on one front. :D

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Since I am the one with more of a potty mouth (although not as bad since retirement so I'm told) contributions to both would be on my part.

  I declare myself acceptable. I am not some shocking or offensive sight. I am not "indecent" or "obscene" for being me. 



Depending on where I'm hiking will depend on my response. Most families avoid the more difficult terrain that is posed by the mountains and hills in West Virginia so I would tend to act more toward not covering and carrying on as I was. Although I must admit that has not happened yet on the trails here yet. Just have my mindset toward not acting guilty. The more remote the better in this case. As for some other trails, especially in Ohio, due to their level and often wide cut pathways families tend to travel them near the water and parking lots. So I carry a cover up to avoid a confrontation. It would be easy for a ranger to be summoned by cell phone and travel there by ATV. Being aware is the key, knowing the law helps (example bare buttocks and breasts are legal in Ohio) and the rest is common sense!
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Re: Encounters...what to do?
« Reply #347 on: March 14, 2017, 11:04:46 PM »
Bob, I was trying to locate CO spots in NM once and ran across a place called "Sundial Springs". I was looking for something easily accessed from the interstate, between here and Texas. It's about 60 mi. north of I10 and 150 mi. south of I40.

Have you ever been there? Couldn't find much information about it.

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Re: Encounters...what to do?
« Reply #348 on: March 15, 2017, 12:31:06 AM »
Bob, I was trying to locate CO spots in NM once and ran across a place called "Sundial Springs". I was looking for something easily accessed from the interstate, between here and Texas. It's about 60 mi. north of I10 and 150 mi. south of I40.

Have you ever been there? Couldn't find much information about it.

Duane


The name does not come to my memory.   There was once a short lived CO B&B place at Las Cruces, but it went away and I don't remember the name. 

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Re: Encounters...what to do?
« Reply #349 on: March 21, 2017, 09:14:39 PM »
I had business in Corpus Christi last week and was able to get down to the National Seashore Thursday afternoon. It was Spring Break week so I was expecting extra traffic, but did not run into any teenage/college crowds. There were more young kids with thier parents.
As usual, I parked at 'the sticks' that bar vehicle traffic within the park and hiked in wearing a sarong. There was a young family with 2 young girls not far into the park exploring the beach. They were examining a large jellyfish that had washed up as I neared. I stayed at the water's edge and not directly walking to them when I exchanged friendly greetings. The father then commented on the number of jellyfish. I acknowledged that there were several, but I had seen it much worse. Oh! He said and then I continued my trek down the beach. In the distance was a lone figure with a large dog. They were obviously enjoying their day. The dog running into the water then into the dunes, bringing found objects for inspection. As I neared the now obvious female leashed up the dog to avoid any unpleasantries with the approaching stranger, me. I told her that was unnecessary as I also had labs at home and am very much a dog person. She responded by bringing the dog to me for a scratch.
We wished each a pleasant day and proceeded on. By then, the family was a good distance up the beach and beyond any visible distinction due to the seaspray glare.  the girl kept the dog leashed up as she approached them. I had nothing but vacant beach as far as the eye could see, removed the sarong any stashed it in my bag.
I went about as far into the park as I had ever before, only turning around when I could start to see vehicles at the other end of the restricted section. I had stowed my bag about 1/2 way, but carried a sock that would keep me 'legal' if I encountered any LEOs. It is really only state law that requires a person to cover his genitals, and this was federal property, but I thought it best to error on the side of caution.
I was wearing the sock when the park police drove up. They came up from behind while I was watching another hiker with a dog walking my way.  At that point, I was almost back to my bag.
They got out of the truck to approach me. They first asked if I knew why they wanted to talk to me. When I said no, he asked if I had anything else to wear. I said that I did, in my bag. So, I got the sarong out of the bag and put it on. He asked about the sock, so I explained that it was required minimal covering under state law. I explained my understanding of federal law about requiring a complaint before action can be taken on a nudity offense. He concurred and informed me that the family had 'lodged' a complaint
He asked if I was dressed like I was then, in the sarong, and I said absolutely! We talked a lot about whether I could have 'flashed' them or opened the sarong to expose my penis. I said there was no way. I had no intention of exposing myself to them and did not. I then explained my encounter with the girl and dog and that there was nothing in either case that I felt was out of line in any way. They said nothing about what happened afterward and I didn't say when my sarong found it's way into the bag.  The father apparently saw me remove the sarong and was offended. I didn't turn back towards them and we were too distant to see details anyway. He certainly couldn't tell if I was wearing anything over my genitals.
Anyway, the LEO said that he was going to speak again with the family and the girl with the dog and that they would let me know where this would lead. 
Back in the day, there were places all up and down the Texas coast where you would find naked humans freely enjoying nature as God intended. Now there are only one or two, and those require constant watch to avoid arrest.  'Encounters . . . What to do?'  Sometimes it doesn't matter.
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Re: Encounters...what to do?
« Reply #350 on: March 21, 2017, 10:21:55 PM »
Odds are that that won't happen again for a long time. How often would you see a ranger there? They usually go where there are plenty of visitors in an area. Would the father have had to call on a cell phone, and how far away would the rangers be to respond? The rangers were trying to stir things up, if they are going to others to ask if they want to complain.

I wonder if the response would have happened if a woman in a skirt had had the wind blow it up.

 People with kids, especially overly protective fathers with daughters are the dangerous ones. Not a hint of reasonable in them. You did nothing wrong, unusual, or illegal, it sounds, yet there goes this jerk making things up.
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Re: Encounters...what to do?
« Reply #351 on: March 21, 2017, 10:28:41 PM »
Bob, I was trying to locate CO spots in NM once and ran across a place called "Sundial Springs". I was looking for something easily accessed from the interstate, between here and Texas. It's about 60 mi. north of I10 and 150 mi. south of I40.

Have you ever been there? Couldn't find much information about it.

Duane
There are several hot springs along there. One was renamed. It could have been Sundial at one time.

One of these days, we will make a jaunt out that way. I've got other hotsprings mapped out and some good hiking trails. I have friends who like the organized pay for ones and give high marks. There is also Essence of Tranquility outside of Stafford, if you are traveling the southern route. It isn't 60 miles off the interstate. Passing through on your way to Texas?
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Re: Encounters...what to do?
« Reply #352 on: March 22, 2017, 07:40:15 PM »
The Ranger Station is not far from the entrance. I have only seen a ranger once on this part of the park. Often I see turtle patrols and maintenance vehicles, but not rangers. I have never had cell service near there and suspect they didn't as well. Probably reported it at the park entrance.
I have been here infrequently over the past 30 years. There used to be regulars that I could count on seeing every time I hiked in, always nude. People used to post regularly on spionline.com, but that forum has gone quiet.
I agree that the risk of a similar incident is low. But, my luck lately hasn't been very promising lately.

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Re: Encounters...what to do?
« Reply #353 on: March 22, 2017, 08:22:26 PM »
Yes, and now with a previous record. It is as if that incident is attracting that crappy energy, ala woo woo.
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Re: Encounters...what to do?
« Reply #354 on: March 22, 2017, 10:42:59 PM »
Encounters with the Rangers leads me to mention my (almost) encounter or near miss with my local Park Rangers. 

Several times I've mentioned the abandoned railroads that have been converted to trails in my area.  They are administered by the State Parks.  In all the times I've been there I have not seen anyone from the State Park administration until this past November (2016).  I arrived naked by car at the Martin Road Trailhead and got out of the car to wander around a bit.  Looking up the trail I noticed this Park Ranger vehicle heading away.  They were going slowly and I had time to get out my camera, set up the tripod, do a long focus, and take this picture.     


It was just about noon on a Wednesday.  Maybe they drive down here once a week on Wednesdays.  Or, maybe they only bother in the winter when other parks are not busy. 

"Disrobing" in a Washington State Park is "not a crime" by statute.  Its a "civil offense" and gets the equal of a parking ticket if the Ranger gets up tight about it.   The railroad grade is so long and straight that a hiker could probably see an oncoming pickup well before they could see what someone was wearing.  But there are many cut or fill places where its not really possible to get off the path.    Its mostly boring, mile after mile of straight, flat, trail. 

This is farther along the same trail on a prior occasion:

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Re: Encounters...what to do?
« Reply #355 on: March 23, 2017, 03:29:26 PM »
Bob, I remember when they tore out the section of rails near me it was much the same as your pictures but they had not removed the ballast yet so it was available to ride a mountain bike (nude) for quite a few miles. Unlike your area the railroad followed the contour of the land which was along a stream bed so there were those blind spots when the trees began to fill in. When the county parks took it over they sold the limestone ballast and paved the right of way with fine crushed gravel. It is too busy now to even think of any nude excursions there plus it is monitored by bike mounted deputies.

Now there were a few places where spurs led off the main to service some of the mines. I used to ride out there and lock my bike to a tree. Then walk the spur to the old mine area until it became too overgrown to even bushwhack there. 
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Re: Encounters...what to do?
« Reply #356 on: March 23, 2017, 04:19:42 PM »
Our group does an annual springtime hike in Vermont along an old railroad grade, the former Hoosac Tunnel and Wilmington, sometimes called the "Hoot, Toot and Whistle" from its initials. If you know the local geography, the trail runs close to the west shore of Harriman Reservoir, directly across from the Ledges, the well-known nude beach. It was May when this picture was taken, but there was ice in this rock cut.

We have had a couple of encounters with other hikers, and sad to say, I can recall being glared at. But in Vermont, the law is on our side.


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« Reply #357 on: March 23, 2017, 05:16:23 PM »
When the county parks took it over they sold the limestone ballast and paved the right of way with fine crushed gravel. It is too busy now to even think of any nude excursions there plus it is monitored by bike mounted deputies.


This area is about 20 miles south of Cheney, WA.  Not much out here except dry land cattle ranches, and few of those.  Its too dry for trees.  This area still has its railroad ballast with a little smaller crushed rock on top.  I find it impossible to ride a bicycle on because the tires sink into the gravel.  I tried that once and gave up after a hundred yards or so.  In all the times I've been to this trailhead over the past 10 years I've never seen a single other hiker or rider.   Once I saw another car pull in as I left, but he probably was just stopping to look about and use the restroom.  There is a Geocache about a mile up the path.  I don't know who put it there.

There is another 5 miles of the same trail that runs north of Cheney, WA toward Spokane, WA.   That section is paved with asphalt and divided by a white line for walkers or bicycles.   A few yeas ago I dared to ride a bicycle naked down 4 miles of it, passing a dozen or so other users.   But you have to be very careful.  Being a State Park though, its still legally "not a crime" to be "disrobed" on the trail so I took a chance on it.  They have a "civil" fine like a parking ticket, but there are restrictions on which kind of cop can cite people and issue tickets in parks.   So I took a chance and ignored all the other people I encountered.  I wish I had someone else to ride with. 




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Re: Encounters...what to do?
« Reply #358 on: March 31, 2017, 07:37:19 AM »
The Sundial Springs I found on the map was located off of hwy 180 about 20 miles north of Buckhorn.

Jbee, I was looking for accessible sites on the way home when I do a road trip.

Safebare, that sounds like the incident at your house with the neighbor. He saw something from afar and was compelled to do something about something he thought he saw.   

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