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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #1500 on: September 24, 2024, 06:47:55 PM »
Gosh I am furious!
Judge of my horror when I saw that the website had changed, the whole tone of it had changed and I found I was now persona non grata and banned as a single male.
What is this hatred of single males by landed clubs????  It really gets my goat.  What's wrong with us?  Is it that we are in too great numbers and outnumber couples and single women?  If so why the hell do they all turn down a majority of paying customers - can't be a great business decision that.
I am angry and frustrated at a majority being discriminated against.  At least in it's former incarnation, Lakeside was not prejudiced against single men whereas, you might have read from a previous post, the most local co club to me is pretty much closed to single men.  But no, Lakeside have joined the naturist legion of bigots.  What a crying shame.
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I completely agree John.   Flagrant bigotry against men is a big reason I dropped my membership in AANR (USA) a few years ago.  The whole Nudist industry whines about lack of customers/profits, but turns away a big portion of paying customers.  Discrimination based on sex is illegal in the USA, but the law is never unforced when men are discriminated against.  All we can do is to vote with our money, spending it elsewhere, and complaining to owners and associations they affiliate with.  They ought to be ashamed of themselves.  I might be angry and bitter about the whole anti-men situation in organized nudism and elsewhere.  . 

As I have opined elsewhere, many single women won't be interested in going either if there are no single men to meet.  That policy pretty much limits their customer base to old married couples.  And with the divorce rate today, those are getting to be fewer in number.   I was once a member of an affiliated AANR club, but after my wife filed for divorce I became the dreaded single male.  They invited her to continue as a member, but without me she had no reason to go.  Single women tend to go where single men hang out.  They get as bored as we do sitting in the sun all alone all day. 

I also agree about the payback calculation of driving 1 1/2 hours each way to spend 3 or 4 hours of being naked in a boring location.  There is a nudist ranch about that distance north of my home, but I've been here 20 years and have never bothered to go there.  Instead I go free range naked closer to home. 

We men should not just passively go away.   Keep compiling. 
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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #1501 on: September 24, 2024, 06:51:06 PM »
Would it help if you sported a BN membership card? Card carrying nudist generally have some cred and get treated more positively. I'd also somewhat lie and and stretch out my naturist resume. Jbee

If the misandrist place is affiliated with BN, then John should also complain to BN about flagrant discrimination against men.  Sometimes they become their own worst enemies. 
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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #1502 on: September 25, 2024, 06:43:14 AM »
There is a practicality to these decisions. Even here at the sweat, I dread too many men in the ratio. It is unnerving for a woman to show up amongst a bunch of guys time after time. For a single woman not used to, or new to, social nudity, alone with guys can be discomforting.  Although some women like that, the vibe and culture is more appealing, if women are present. I always try to have a woman around, generally that is DF. Girls bond. They don't need men so much, they are probably looking for a man less than men are looking for partners, especially the older ones. They tend to come around, check it out and then don't comeback, when there isn't a gal to bond with.

There is now an additional factor in the naturist communities, and that is LGBQ issues, extra and hyper sensitive women with the "me to" leanings. These people may have, in time, a beneficial effect on the gender mix at clubs. They are less threatening, and people tend to get out of the gender, man/woman pair bond, things and become more individualistic and less their sexual selves. The group tends more to arrive individually as people looking for friends to treat a group as friends. If you can use imagination in the scenarios, you might understand the point that I'm trying, and probably failing miserably to express. I'm not saying that it it threatens the Man/woman bonds, I'm saying that that stuff tends to be set aside. This  suspicion is based only on my personal experience. It's not a researched opinion.

There are few couples that come to the sweat together. We never know who will walk in the doors. The mix varies and it being a basically spiritual health thing, it has many functions like a church, the gender mix matters less. The sweat isn't a pickup venue, you can get dismissed for that. We had problems with predatory behaviors back at the old sweat. It gives us something in common besides nudity, where at a nudist club many that you meet may have only the nudism in life as a commonality and you have to find your tribe based on more than standing around naked with each other.

The question of what we want comes to my mind.We here want a free society and acceptance. The issue we are discussing here, clubs, is caused by sick social constraints in concern of nudity and a host of other issues. There is the need for a safe place to be nude with others, instead of the freedom to just be who we are naturally with people as they come along. We can expect the institution of social nudity clubs to be flawed because they exist in, and exist because of, a flawed society. Basically, it ain't the club owner's fault, but an owner's poor response to lots of social BS.

I do hate, resent, and guffa at, gender bias and discrimination and sexism. I get kicked out of the sweat each month because I have the wrong genitals during the women's sweat. I sit in the house like a leper, until they have their girlish fun. It is nearly all learned behavior. They don't have to act differently with a male present, but hey, they have fun and it probably can encourage some to come around to the mixed gender sweats.
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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #1503 on: September 25, 2024, 04:16:12 PM »
We agree on most points JBee. You, of course, articulate them better than me. :)

I prefer non-sexual social settings, nude or textile. I have always felt more comfortable around a gaggle of females over the testosterone air of male gatherings. Maybe it has something to do with my lack of interest in professional sports. IDK. I never understood this desire for single sex focused gatherings, clubs or organizations. We could end this "men in women's sports" debate by taking the gender exclusion out of the sport. Volleyball, basketball, baseball, soccer, etc. could all be gender inclusive, instead of exclusive. Don't even get me started on American football.

I tire of the men that lament the lack of available women in social events. Maybe, if one was not so desperate in seeking a mate, one would be more attractive to the opposite sex or same sex if that is their objective. There are a couple of males in our group that often complain about the gender imbalance in our gatherings. These are the same individuals that I get complaints about. Nothing serious or they would be ousted, but I find it difficult to get the message across to them.

Bob is correct that many people attend gatherings to socialize with potential mates, even if that isn't their primary goal. But, the desperate men are not going to be the most attractive, therefore receiving less attention. Women, on the other hand, might experience a different outcome.

We have a "Consent Committee" to develop structure defining our consent expectations. It is a sticky wicket when the sexualities within the community are wide ranging. As wide as they may be, consent is still a necessary component of each engagement.

I am not a fan of nudist parks, clubs or camps. Their premise is exclusion. It could be nude only, gender focused or simply avoiding activities that would be attractive to certain populations. They usually have a clickish atmosphere. That's why I "Free Range".

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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #1504 on: September 25, 2024, 05:55:30 PM »

I am not a fan of nudist parks, clubs or camps. Their premise is exclusion. It could be nude only, gender focused or simply avoiding activities that would be attractive to certain populations. They usually have a clickish atmosphere. That's why I "Free Range".
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Agreed Safebare.  I'm not a fan of nudist parks either, for all the same reasons. 
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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #1505 on: September 26, 2024, 09:24:41 AM »
We've been to several nudist clubs/resorts. Mira Vista is the local one. There is a group of musicians that I can relate with. The last time, we bumped into a friend from back when she had had a veggie restaurant. We had that together, but lately she has been into community radio, so we got into that and exploring various music. No talk of nudeness. Most people that we meet conversation is about being nude, where they have been (always clubs and cruises) and we counter with something of our website, free ranging. We like live music; the music at Mira Vista eventually just turns into commercial Country western and tired old 80's and disco. We have so many activities outside of Mira Vista, that we would never have the time to spend to justify the expense of membership. It would be like one of those health club memberships that most people don't follow through their intentions. 

We talk about and share so many things at the sweat. Gardening, health, hot springs, hiking, sauna, our anecdotal histories, etc., but rarely nudism. There ironically, I'd like to talk more about nude stuff. :D

In life, as also in a nude reservation, one tends to find a percentage of the population to relate to. From that comes friends. Water Volley Ball, group activities make reservations more fun, too. Shared commonality. Yet more specific and diverse interests make some clich-ish dynamics.
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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #1506 on: September 29, 2024, 10:56:52 AM »
Safebare - "We could end this "men in women's sports" debate by taking the gender exclusion out of the sport." Check out Wheelchair Rugby - as well as being spectacular and somewhat brutal, it's totally open. Teams can have a mix of men, women, disabled and able. Yes, you don't have to NEED a wheelchair to participate in one, but there is a limit on the number of non-disabled players in a team.

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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #1507 on: September 29, 2024, 06:50:45 PM »
Yes, handicapped sports in most areas are inclusive, to my knowledge. My son is spina bifida, has been in a wheelchair all of his 32 years. He is also a blackbelt in TKD. His classes are mixed gender, open to all.

Rugby is a brutal sport in all of its different scenarios. I am a fan of the nude players of New Zealand. Their team is also mixed gender.  I haven't seen hide nor hair of them since COVID hit. https://www.facebook.com/p/The-Nude-Blacks-100063921942726/

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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #1508 on: September 30, 2024, 12:43:12 AM »
I completely agree John. 
I also agree about the payback calculation of driving 1 1/2 hours each way to spend 3 or 4 hours of being naked in a boring location.  There is a nudist ranch about that distance north of my home, but I've been here 20 years and have never bothered to go there.  Instead I go free range naked closer to home. 
I'm glad my opinion of the practicality of these things is backed up by a competent authority, Bob!  I wouldn't like to think I was being a wuss!  It's sad that we haven't all got a place we can congregate that's 'round the corner' (US: 'next block') so to speak.  But there just ain't enough of us!
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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #1509 on: September 30, 2024, 08:23:42 AM »
In the 1990's we started The Southern Arizona Naturist Society (SANS). It was in response to driving 110 plus miles to a non-landed club in the Phoenix area. That worked, we had bi-monthly get togethers, one at a host's house and one in a more natural free ranging spot. Some drove an hour to get to us. Sometimes, they would host at their homes. The frequency of contact and the commonality of activities like games and food and water features, brought us together. We accumulated 70 paying members at one point, but only a fraction were regular. We had a woman running things, who was the initial contact and vetter, It helped for newbie females to have her, instead of a male figure vying to garner some trust in an apprehensive new woman, who was contemplating being nude in a group for the first time.

When our woman front person got married to a guy from Phoenix and moved away, we soon ended up with an essentially all male group and things went downhill to dead-end.

It isn't so easy apparently, to be a single male and join a club. It is certainly even more difficult to start and maintain a club. It is a load and lots of individuals to deal with.

There may be a non-landed club closer? The one here vets newbies by meeting them at restaurants before any nudity. They call themselves "The Buffeteers." They are run by a single guy.

I'd think that you'd be interested in finding nude hikers and campers, which are activities that make going long distances worthwhile, and the camping aspect stretches out those three or four hours to an overnight, *camping*.

Curiously, non-landed clubs go together to landed clubs on occasion.

Jbee
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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #1510 on: September 30, 2024, 02:13:14 PM »
We had similar experiences here JBee. Our Naked Tuesday events were organized by a "young" couple. Their events were well attended and organized. Laurette was the greeter and socializer and David took care of form and structure. It was amazing, the events they would throw.

Then they split up. Laurette moved on, leaving David at the helm. It was a ship that was sailing strong, so the events continued to be well attended and notable. But were noticably declining in attendance. Then COVID struck.

That is when I became a co-facilitator, helping David with ideas and logistics. We had a couple apocalypse themed events and a social distancing movie night. Spring 2021 brought the end of the apocalypse and mask burning, hosted here in Cypress.

I was very pleased at the attendance, but it fell very short of past events and David's expectations. Other life events literally hit David where it hurts. He closed his studio and stopped organizing further events. Naked Tuesday is a mere crumb of what is once was. October has a 5th Tuesday, the signal for the next NT event. Some kind of miracle will have to occur for that to happen. I guess it's time to move on to the next thing.

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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #1511 on: September 30, 2024, 06:04:16 PM »
September was a pretty good month for Free Range Naturism.  Mostly nice weather, and still warm enough to enjoy being outdoors .



We still have a lot of dead trees from the wildfire 2 years ago.  We had a windstorm on September 23  that blew down 3 dead trees onto our power line and across the driveway.  The power company came out and fixed it by midnight.  But winter is fast approaching.  We had 32F, 0C this morning.  I will soon need to blow out my outside water lines to prevent freezing.  I have already taken down my outside shower.  You Arizona people don't deal with winter much.

Found out my eyes have Cataracts.  Going to get surgery next month  My wife had that last year and she sees a lot more clearly.  Eye doctor said I don't look 80. Lots of men my age have died already.  Maybe it's the sunshine,good diet, and avoiding medical "treatment." . 

We still have 60s in afternoons for a few more days.  Baseball season is over.  Had to order another side of beef for October. Not enough firewood cut this year. Will have to use more propane this winter.   Maybe I can cut some more wood today.
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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #1512 on: September 30, 2024, 10:26:01 PM »
Bob, You're not eating junk and processed food, your weight is down and you are spirited enough to get good exercise out in nature. Congratulations! Here's to the next 20 years...naked.

I miss my doctor that for years, each year, would make a jealous comment. He'd tell me, "You're healthy as a horse." He died however getting a simple medical procedure as he had complications out of the blue....

I gotta wonder what these younger people think things like "80" are supposed to look like. I look around and discover that these old guys that I see are my age! 

And in response to another comment that you made, I'm pretty sure that statistically, most guys your age have died already. Also, cheers to the last man standing!  ;)
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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #1513 on: September 30, 2024, 11:00:07 PM »
When  left off at the end of August: "September kicks off with Labor Day, a sweat Sunday, a clothing optional pool party Monday and then DF has us house-sitting for a quiet week's retreat on acreage with a swimming pool and jacuzzi. There is some nude hiking out there to be done. We have blocked off up to a week to campout this month, after that."

The Labor Day Party was fun. When we arrived, there were some group singing people who weren't regular crowd. I looked in the pool and everyone was looking like old folks in their one piece swimsuits. But by the time I ate and stripped to get in they were skinny dipping, hanging out in the water and having a glorious time. Some said that they were concerned about "offending" , or making those others "uncomfortable."...????...
... Once the hostess got in naked, they got comfortable.

The house sitting pool retreat was relaxing.

I had a plan to spend a week camping on the remote Blue River and hiking every day, a bucket list item. But there was a strong head wind and then the truck began to lurch about east of Wilcox. It continued, we decided not to drive into the remote ares of New Mexico and more remote Arizona, until it checked out and we turned around. Called the mechanic in Tucson for a Friday appointment (this was Monday). Just about Wilcox, it got well!!?? Been running like a top since.

So, we had the time. The new "N" magazine comes out with us pictured as the face of nude backpacking and we realized that we hadn't backpacked in two seasons! We revisited the Wilderness of Rocks up on Mt. Lemon for three days instead, which was a wonderful thing for our health regimen and spirit and backpacking goals. It was a recharge. AND we saw nobody but our naked selves for three days in the forest and Lemon Pools. Just roamed everywhere with no backup, totally free.

We hosted 5 sweats and I've been nearly always naked around the house. Groceries and some evening entertainment dancing and sushi the exception. It's continued to be hot.

DF is gone the last week to Georgia and also two weeks this coming month on the same trip. The weather cooled finally, but then went way over 100F again this week. I've got to get the winter garden in and stucco the front of the house and the sweat building, with a new cord of wood, etc., etc. We may not be out walking but a day, or so, before November, but naked at home is a good life. A time and place. Perhaps the cooler temperatures will seduce us into a nature journey.

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Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Reply #1514 on: October 01, 2024, 01:18:19 AM »
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And in response to another comment that you made, I'm pretty sure that statistically, most guys your age have died already. Also, cheers to the last man standing! 
Jbee
Well that fired up my analytical engine!  I looked up the UK Office of National Statistics for survival rates.  I found the number of male survivors from a starting population of 100,000 to exact age 80 for 2024 was 60,323.  So contrary to your assertion, Jbee, at least for the UK it seems that most guys Bob's age have not died!  A majority 60% still survive.  However, by age 90 the number is 23,070 and by 95 only 7843 of us left.  So if the UK and US are in line for this data, Bob you have an average expectation of living to 88 years and 7months but also a 1 in 4 chance of reaching 96!  Pretty good odds.  If you get to 90 you've got about another 4 years on average.  I'm nearly 72 and I've only got 13.8 years expectancy!  That's pop my clogs at about 86!
I hope we are all still compos mentis and corresponding with eachother in 2037.  Perhaps then Jbee and I will be speculating when Bob will expire, having reached 94 years of age and still joyously naked! 
I hope these stats don't give anyone the collywobbles!  I think it's a very optimistic outlook if we can keep our health and brains in good condition. Our fathers' generation would mostly have gone to meet the the great naturist in the sky in their late 60's or early 70's.  In 2000 average life expectancy for men was a little over 75 and for someone born around 1925 (my dad) life expectancy was only about 60!
I love statistics!!
John