Being seen while getting mail.

[jbeegoode]

Police officer's wife and kid. That is why it got the special attention. Abuse of power by a pissed off cop and his private police force power trip. If it had been anyone else....
...And yep, a sexist double standard, published and scaring people...2009?
Jbee

[eyesup]

Interesting viewpoint there Bob. Hadn’t seen it that way before.

Duane

[John P]

BlueTrain, you could have said (but did not) that the guy was found not guilty; the jury deliberated less than 20 minutes. My memory is that this case was generally seen as the police making fools of themselves. And the woman involved was a policeman's wife, which might or might not be a coincidence.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/fairfax/woman-flipped-off-naked-guy-th.html

[jbeegoode]

The comments are interesting.

I'm having thoughts about why this article was published here and now, how and by whom. I think that we are all being messed with.
There is a trend of games of sabotage.
Jbee

[ric]

i had a good day yesterday....
offin the morning to a fortnightly mowing job.... last time there were no cars on the drive and it was late morning before the 17 year old daughter opened the house windows,   this time the docs car was on the drive...he came out for a chat . did the hours strimming in a pair of overalls,   whilst doc and daughter moved the rabbit run.... then docs wife arrived home.    did the ride on mowing dressed as usual in a hat.... did wear the beach wrap for a bit near the gate.... dont bother if theres nobody at home to see me pushing the boundaries.   then on with the pedestrian mower and then some pruning. doc came out off and on with mugs of tea.
about 3pm i decided i was warm enough and was just pcking up up when coc came out to warn me about sunburn.

had a small painting job to do on the way home... but decided to detour via the woods for an hours stroll in the shade... no cars in the parking area so just took a camera bag and the wrap... it came off as soon as i was out of sight of the road and stuffed in the camera bag ,   guess its my first free range wander this year.   didnt see a soul but there was a car in the parking area when i returned.

got to the flat to do an hours painting... locked myself in , drew the front roadside curtains and stripped  off again.

was just gone six by the time i had to get dressed again to come home..... then stripped off again.

[Greenbare Woods]

The comments are interesting.

I'm having thoughts about why this article was published here and now, how and by whom. I think that we are all being messed with.
There is a trend of games of sabotage.
Jbee

I hadn't though about that.   However, seeing this discussion reminds me that our state once had a lot of Christian morality coded into law which were called "Blue  laws."     Coincidence?   

[BlueTrain]

If you're referring to me, yes, it's a coincidence. The name "Blue Train" comes from a car, which was a Rover sedan. In the 1930s, there was a sort of competition to drive to the south of France faster than the train, which was the Blue Train, which ceased service in 2003. Rover Cars used the fact in advertising, calling their car the "Blue Train Rover." There was also a Blue Train Bentley. Anyway, I had two Rover sedans and also a Land-Rover. I presently have a Ford.

I posted the link mainly because the incident took place where I live. When I got home from work that day, the street was full of police cars and TV news trucks. I thought for sure there had been a murder. Turned out a foolish young man left his curtains open. His sin was indiscretion. He now has an arrest record. Whether or not he was judged guilty is almost irrelevant since in public affairs, all that is necessary is to be accused of something. In any event, it doesn't seem to have done anything to advance the cause of public nudity.

Comments? Am I being too politically incorrect, deviating from the accepted norms around here? If so, I'll cheerfully bow out and never make another post.

[rw]

I find your situation fascinating as heck. I'd love to participate in such social experimentation. I want to hear how this goes. How you deal with it within and without. All I have is the tooleys when I occasionally come across another hiker to understand. I watch reactions, and take note of positives and uncomfortable, and haven't had a negative. Your situation may be different, or maybe not. I want to know, so please, report and discuss this here with us.

If it didn't rain so much, DF and I would be over there, curiously experiencing just what it could be like, as if visiting another planet.

So while I'm still as uncomfortable as <insert swearword of choice> going around that area now (will see if that feeling lasts), I'm still going to go on some walks further afield -- further from home, I doubt I'll feel the impact of social pressure.  With the legal situation being so unclear previously, this hasn't been a comfortable experience in the past (ie. carry a wrap, nervously listen for any footfall around blind corners, etc), so armed with the clarity of the law, it's going to be an interesting experience. I will definitely "report back to the group"! 

[Greenbare Woods]

Turned out a foolish young man left his curtains open. His sin was indiscretion. He now has an arrest record. Whether or not he was judged guilty is almost irrelevant since in public affairs, all that is necessary is to be accused of something. In any event, it doesn't seem to have done anything to advance the cause of public nudity.

Yes.  The police rule by fear and violence, not by law.   He's been severely abused and punished even though the court found him "not guilty."   

Your laws are more strict than other many places.   We have to be intentionally trying to offend or alarm someone -- even out on a public street.  Your law just makes it illegal to be naked where someone can see.  That is an important distinction in law.   Your laws need changing. 

[jbeegoode]

Yea, the comments suggested, among other similar suggestions, that the police pay court costs,or be fined, or jailed, or fired AND that the laws, or system that it creates be changed. Stomping on privacy RIGHTS also were angrily expressed. It is all very obvious, very plain that this is BS.

There were a number of comments where people opined that he just played the system, or that he would "obviously" commit other crimes, escalating to murder. There is always a significant vocal minority that fears, judges by fears, and has absolutely no evidence to support their claims, or jump to the fully irrational. Intellectual cognitive deficit and the belief that they are normal.

I noticed that he managed to jump from the garage to the living-room window very quickly to be flipped off, an obscene gester, by a passerby, that couldn't walk across his yard as quick as he went around corners, through doors, etc., just so she could see him through a window instead of up the driveway 83 feet. Did she just stand there and make sure that she saw him again?

Sometimes, I go out into my drive to load the SUV nude. I look and listen for the weird neighbors at those times. They have to be looking hard and on the property line to really see me. If I am unsure, I figure the odds are with me, I haven't seen anyone using that part of the property for years, but then, just to be sure, I carry the load in front of my crotch and then, turn my back to walk back to the house. YA never know. If push came to shove, say somebody is hiding in the bushes again, I haven't broken any law by showing my genitals or anus from dozens of feet away through the brush, when I am minding my own business. I don't bend over. The law is clear.
Jbee

[nuduke]

Your boldness in testing the letter of the law, rw, is very praiseworthy.  However, you seem to have chosen rather a public place to exercise your legal right to be naked and inoffensive.  Many of us on this forum come from 'residency' on a previous forum called The Secret Naturist Society (TSNS) which was a collection of people who liked to be naked, hike naked and be naked in nature.  In those days, the premise was that your naturist 'craft' was to keep secret and secluded so that encounters didn't happen.  Perhaps you should take a leaf out of the Secret Naturists book (and I think JBee may still have a copy of that!) and seek to enjoy your nakedness in nature away from prying eyes and prurient encounters. 


We tend to refer these days to 'Free Range Naturism' as a way of describing those who hike nude in nature.  We have all but lost the soubriquet 'Secret Naturist' although it did describe the territory rather well, I always felt.
John

[nuduke]

Blue Train,
Hang in with us and be welcome, sir!
Pluralism and diversity are one of our watchwords.
Whilst we stray wide from our topics during discussions, we tend to start any topic with some aspect of our common interest - naturism and free ranging i.e. being in natural circumstances whilst naked. 
Stay with us, matey!  All viewpoints are welcome.
John

[jbeegoode]

Your boldness in testing the letter of the law, rw, is very praiseworthy.  However, you seem to have chosen rather a public place to exercise your legal right to be naked and inoffensive.  Many of us on this forum come from 'residency' on a previous forum called The Secret Naturist Society (TSNS) which was a collection of people who liked to be naked, hike naked and be naked in nature.  In those days, the premise was that your naturist 'craft' was to keep secret and secluded so that encounters didn't happen.  Perhaps you should take a leaf out of the Secret Naturists book (and I think JBee may still have a copy of that!) and seek to enjoy your nakedness in nature away from prying eyes and prurient encounters. 


We tend to refer these days to 'Free Range Naturism' as a way of describing those who hike nude in nature.  We have all but lost the soubriquet 'Secret Naturist' although it did describe the territory rather well, I always felt.
John

Free range naturism, I think implies that we are free to be nude everywhere, not just designated areas, but that isn't an easy ability in reality. So the secret naturism allows us a practical tool to continue our nudity under the radar. Secret naturism is a necessary part of free range naturism. I like to exercise my nature in this world whenever possible and promote expanding the limits for everyone. So, some of us get seen, sometimes.

Sure would like to experiment unencumbered, as if in a more perfect world. What a opportunity you have to normalize the RIGHT to a human body.
Jbee

[Greenbare Woods]

Free range naturism, I think implies that we are free to be nude everywhere, not just designated areas, but that isn't an easy ability in reality. So the secret naturism allows us a practical tool to continue our nudity under the radar. Secret naturism is a necessary part of free range naturism. I like to exercise my nature in this world whenever possible and promote expanding the limits for everyone. So, some of us get seen, sometimes.

Sure would like to experiment unencumbered, as if in a more perfect world. What a opportunity you have to normalize the RIGHT to a human body.
Jbee

I agree Jbee.  I was a member of Free Range Naturism for quite a while before Secret Naturism forum folded.   I'm more of a Free Range person than a Secret person.  I'll be secret when I have to be, but I prefer the freedom of being free range and being seen by occasional other people. 

We have a strict rule at our house, "Don't get arrested."   Pretty much anything else is acceptable as long as it doesn't hurt someone.  If I lived in the UK with their new legal guidelines I would be out being seen naked even more than here.  I believe we have to push nudity to get public perception and then laws changed here.  If I cared about being seen I would be clothed. 

Bob

[jbeegoode]

TWo thoughts.
One, does thsi mean that Steven Gough is now the only person over there who is not legally able to be nude in public?

And Two: Blue Train, did they question you about your neighbor's behavior? There was mention that the neighbors were asked about any previous incidents. I was wondering how they went about with their smear campaign to alarm the neighborhood.
Jbee