How was your month for Free Range Naturism?

[Davie]

A town over here like many others had Traffic Wardens to control the parking. No-one likes Traffic Wardens. (At least as a group, but I know one who is a naturst and he is a great guy) The council did away with them and guess what, chaos took place and every one wanted them back.

I find it disheartening that one group of citizens is attacked. Lets be honest there are poor practitioners and corruption (big or small) in all walks of life. I'm pleased to say I just don't recognise what you are talking about over here in the UK. Our Officers are too busy to bother with minor stuff  and the majority of Officers are hard working decent people. Perhaps I'm biased, I was proud to be one of them. Sure some were incompetent, some lazy and some corrupt. We got rid of those we knew about. I have no problem with constructive criticism but please don't tar everyone in any profession with the same brush.

I wonder how long it would be before civil order broke down completely without the dreaded Police.  Be careful - you might get what you wish for.

Davie 

[nuduke]

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Who got reported to the authorities?

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One of our regulars, which forum and which member I don’t recall, got hauled in for an incident. I am fairly certain it was in the UK.[/q]

I think it was eventually dropped, but not before an appearance at court.

Duane[/l]

Amongst our number, it was Dave Balead that got hauled before the beak quite some years ago and yes, I believe he was spotted on a golf course.  He got off with a caution (the lowest level of prosecution in the UK with no penalty but it gets you a criminal record). 

Then there was the well known multiple arrests of Steve Gough.  And (if memory serves which it might not) Larry Tanman was arrested for DUI whilst nude and ascribed the initial interest of the cops to the fact he was nude, with grandchildren rather than showing any signs of inebriation (but he was over the limit I think!).
John

[BlueTrain]

Not to change the subject or anything, but my so-called free range naturism has been limited to in-home nudity for months now. For some obscure reason, I can't seem to get away from home for an outing anymore and around here (Northern Virginia), it's almost past the season, with temperatures below 60° F., or around 15° Celsius.

[Peter S]

60F, 15C? That's mid summer! What's the problem? 

[BlueTrain]

It was 45 degrees F outside this morning but only 65 in the basement where I spend a few hours every morning doing chores. Tolerable enough for nudity as long as I'm doing something.

[jbeegoode]

A town over here like many others had Traffic Wardens to control the parking. No-one likes Traffic Wardens. (At least as a group, but I know one who is a naturst and he is a great guy) The council did away with them and guess what, chaos took place and every one wanted them back.

I find it disheartening that one group of citizens is attacked. Lets be honest there are poor practitioners and corruption (big or small) in all walks of life. I'm pleased to say I just don't recognise what you are talking about over here in the UK. Our Officers are too busy to bother with minor stuff  and the majority of Officers are hard working decent people. Perhaps I'm biased, I was proud to be one of them. Sure some were incompetent, some lazy and some corrupt. We got rid of those we knew about. I have no problem with constructive criticism but please don't tar everyone in any profession with the same brush.

I wonder how long it would be before civil order broke down completely without the dreaded Police.  Be careful - you might get what you wish for.

Davie 

I went back to read what I wrote. It might be construed as one brush stroke. For the record, when The town next door was using gestapo tactics, highway robbery, and racial profiling and intimidating under "Her Wolf" the pig, I was once stopped for an early morning red light run taking my young son to school. The officer stood out, gave me a warning, understanding my early morning mistake. Nice guy. He gave a sh^&*T about folks.

So, if there was any offense Davie, may I apologize.
Jbee

[jbeegoode]

Well, the month is about done. After our journey up Miller Peak in the Huachucas, at the very end of last month, we have been subdued until yesterday, when we were introduced to a remote piece of Happy Valley by a friend of ours. We canyoneered. DF has been out od town on a couple of the weekends.

We went out Halloween dancing naked last f Friday. That is we pasted black censor patches to our nude body suits and went out on the town. The things are see through, if you don't cover butt cracks etc., so it actually felt pretty naked at times, especially when people began t point and stare when we danced.

We won a couple of prizes. It crescendoed hands-down 1st place standing on stage feeling nude with a big bar full of people yelling and cheering us to win. It is simply amazing how naked people are received in this world.

Deer and javalinas have been out every-time that I've wandered to Javarock. We have been sunning there, during breaks in the renovation of this house to get it onto market...all done naked. Haven't dressed for days, working around here.

We're off to the hotsprings on the first of next month.
Jbee

[Davie]

Not all Police Officers are knights in shinning armour, I know that, neither are they all bullies or corrupt. I just wanted to put some balance into the debate.

Davie 

[Greenbare Woods]

Not all Police Officers are knights in shinning armour, I know that, neither are they all bullies or corrupt. I just wanted to put some balance into the debate.

Davie 

When Safebare gets harassed and "cited" for minding his own business a mile down the beach its the "not bullies or corrupt" cops who are out looking for peace loving men they can harass and abuse.   Its not the bartender, its not the bureaucrat, its not the business man, its not road maintenance workers, its not farmers or fishermen, its the cops.  Yes, they are all corrupt bullies.  That is the job they decided to accept, and the job they do every day when they put on that uniform and badge.

[Davie]

Its so easy to portray a whole profession as corrupt. Its easy to put anecdotes as evidence for prejudice. Remember all Officers are recruited from the communities they work in.

You might also like to see the other side of the coin. See the role of Honour here I actually saw one officer mown down by escaping criminals - Insp James Roy Bradley, Thames Valley Police. He wasn't acting in a corrupt manner, he was doing his job to protect people like us.

I have no doubt there are corrupt officers, but lets have a reasoned and sensible debate without the hatred. If the Police are so bad, what would you replace them with?  It would be total mayhem. And finally we despise non-naturists who think all naturists are perverts, or are mad. We reject their prejudice. The same arguments apply against decrying a whole profession too.

Davie 

[jbeegoode]

"If the Police are so bad, what would you replace them with?  It would be total mayhem."

They have their place, but I do know what I'd replace them with, and so many political unjust laws.

They would just "Protect and Serve" "We the People." Not oppression, not protecting only government and always being on the side of the wealth that owns the government, the really big out of control corporate meld with government. Not a military presence, which is illegal. Not to enforce the corporate fascist state's agendas. Not making their own law when they personally don't like something, not shooting people in cold blood.

Protect and serve, not decide who are "good guys" and who are "Bad guys." or to be goons.
Jbee

[Safebare]

IDK. My experience with on duty LEOs has been across the spectrum. Those with egos to spread around, and those out to help. I think a big difference is those who consider themselves as enforcers rather than peace keepers. That is more a reflection on the department rather than the individual. But, there are plenty examples where the officer enfuenced the culture.
The LEOs at the federal preserves are park rangers. They have environmental science degrees. They are claiming these stretches of beach for the fishermen, because they are taught how to manage them. They don't have any tools to deal with us, so they modify the tools they do have, or simply make shit up.
Success has been made when those barriers are dismantled and tools are provided. Beach support groups and ambassadors help the LEOs sort things out. That is the best case scenario.

Safebare

[eyesup]

Boosting the budget is an age old activity. In government and business. Enough money is never enough for a bureaucracy. In order to get the minimum of at least the amount you got before, you must justify the need for more. And usually you get more. ad.infinitum.

This occurs anywhere there is a bureaucrat. Law enforcement is just a part of the big picture.
It’s an insane system.

Duane

[eyesup]

I wonder how long it would be before civil order broke down completely without the dreaded Police.  Be careful - you might get what you wish for.

I agree with that sentiment, Davie.

There is a saying about lawyers, I am sure you have heard it;
“Everyone is against lawyers, until they need one”. No matter what the Bard opines.
The saying could equally apply to the patrol officer.

That’s right!  It was Balead! 
That’s the one, Nuduke. What a memory!

Duane

[jbeegoode]

Balead...I knew that. I just didn't want to bother him...

LEO's!...took me a while to catch that it meant Law Enforcement Officers. Guess I'm just stuck on Lox, Eggs, and Onions.

So, I was just trying to think when I last actually needed an LEO. Last straw for me is to call a cop on someone. I had to get the law, quote it. He had to look it up himself and I had to have proof and the case all laid out for him to get him to move on a simple civil disturbance. 

So much for law enforcement. They don't have effect on crimes like B&E, unless there is luck to it. Nothing gets done unless I do it, with alarms, and my own pistol.

They have been good at political rallies and they have rioted and beat people at other rallies. Unless a counter mob is there, I see them doing nothing of real purpose.

Protect and serve. One showed up last year when my brakes gave out and I nearly got killed. Stuck around until the tow truck came. We had a good time hanging out together. I used a hooker's cellphone to call him. Mine wouldn't work, and I happened to find her giving a BJ in her car hidden up on the hill. Didn't tell the cop, she was happy to know that heat was coming.

Traffic control is not law enforcement, it is best to understand that poeple make mistakes sometimes, and things are generally safe, not ticket everyone as a revenue source. So...back to "protect and serve", the State Highway Patrol's motto.

They wear light tan uniforms, not black jack booted fascist-looking regalia designed to intimidate and control to a fault.
Jbee