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« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2016, 07:33:15 PM »
I should have been more clear in my attempt at portraying my wife's reaction as being intentionally hyperbolic.  8)  I have failed for the billionth time.  ;)

She is a contracts manager in a large, national firm and can be terrifyingly focused if motivated properly  :o  and is not given to episodes of superstition.

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« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2016, 07:56:00 PM »
Phenomena:
Another example. Lady that we encountered in the forest a couple of weeks ago. She thought that we were doing toiletries on the side of the trail. She didn't want to disturb us in a private moment. Actually we were just stepping behind something to drape a covering. This woman assumed, as was her perspective based on her experience. I simply explained that it was all okay, we were hiking naked and decided to cover up for you (more on this in a later trip report).

She told us of a trip in the Gila Box wilderness. She had been hiking days, seen no one, she was miles from nowhere, and thought, "what the heck I'll drop my pants and take a dump right here." She did and a church group, then came over the knoll, as she busied herself.

I've heard similar stories here before. The phenomena isn't a continuous dependable association. It is occasional, but the timing is incredibly in sinc. Something seems to trigger it. The odds and frequency of such are too wild to not take note.

When dreams are recorded daily, the syncronistic phenomena between recorded dream and the next day or week, especially symbolically, become more apparent and frequent. This has been shown over and over, yet is difficult to scientifically quantify. The unconscious is vast and wise and quite capable of attracting circumstance to suit its needs, such as manifesting lessons based on inner turmoil (making the night's dreams come true), for example.

Peer review has its place to keep us on track and reality check, but it also, can keep us locked into an ignorant framework. It perpetuates the current intellectual perspectives that is more often an intellectual fad. It blocks our potential, as we are feeling and intuitive beings, more than our reflective imaginations have let us realize. Our inner stuff attracts outer stuff against all odds. Our fears, shadows, tend to be inescapable.

Most likely, Bob will try try again, until the time is right and succeed, or maybe have consequence that he doesn't like. But, how he stepped into a place of the worst scenario during the first attempt IS phenomenal.

Practically speaking advice from the dark side. I once had an old friend tell me that if you watch a convenience store, all of the customers come at once and then it is quiet. It is in waves. Some waves are more predicable, like a lunch rush. People tend to arrive in a wave and assume that it is busy all of the time. What that guy was doing watching a Circle K like that I shudder to think, but Bob and you dare people, could use the tried and true method of the common bank robbers. Watch and wait until the wave dissipates and then make the move...and of course, case the joint first. Blend in when watching, not to create suspicion. You can't look like you are up to something, by doing things like looking around. Thieves don't wear unusual hats or drive flashy mustangs. Perhaps you could be looking for a map, or like you are waiting for something else across the street. Think private eye spying. I once had a pair of bank robbers in a therapy group that I was running. Their strategy was to get in and out quickly, not dawdle, little confrontation, get away, avoid cameras, mostly.

Smugglers do trial runs. Good ones, reduce the odds as far as possible, into the 90 percentile towards 100% fool proof, and only then throw their balls over their shoulders, praying as they are going for it. Or abandon the project for another crossing, if the chances are too great. Older people receive less suspicion and more respect, by the way.

Smugglers also calculate the risks. One must be prepared to accept the potential of the risk, the possible consequence. Is it worth it? Yea, forty years ago, I was a young flamboyant professional border rat and I probably wouldn't have done such a thing for kicks even then. The dare pay out isn't worth the potential negative consequence, to me. It can be fun to plan such naughty madness, however. Personally, I'd rather be planning how I'm going to live my daily life free of encumbrances and expanding my range of freedom, through observance and creative stealth. Perhaps you have assessed your risks in your situation differently. I'd still, in your boots, ratchet up the odds into my favor significantly, as if my life depended on it (attitude does make a dare seem more daring) and execute it as such.

If I want others to see other humans, to know that there are other naked humans, that it is okay, I'll be careful and tactful, so that they don't see it in their own prejudged perspectives. Otherwise, I'm just reinforcing their bad attitudes. I also know that others seeing others doesn't necessitate seeing genitals. All they need to see is that the other is naked, positive and minding their own normal business. It is better to associate nudity with wholesome fun, like hiking, swimming, boating, dancing and such. It is better to be seen with a group of two or more. People are more accepting of group behavior. The peer influence thing of conformity enters into it. Just seeing other people naked doesn't always move the cause forward. I think that consideration of the others perspective, fears, shock and subsequent knee jerk response, are important. Nudity needs to be massaged in slowly, when they are lying down and relaxed, best by someone that they trust.

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« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2016, 10:02:43 PM »
I wonder what would have happened if I asked one of the women to hold my camera and take my photos.   Hmmmm?

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« Reply #33 on: August 18, 2016, 11:23:08 PM »
Now, that's some interesting PR. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Would you make the question straight up, yes or no? Would you backpedal into the asking, "Oh by the way, could you help me out?" Would you explain what you need and why and then ask? Would you get undressed first, then ask?

There could be a million responses to you. I wonder what the realistic statistic would be. Some would call it sexual harassment, some reasonable, some no thank-you, giggling, putdowns, purse over the head, grabbing cell phone cameras, "Am I on candid camera, a million responses.
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« Reply #34 on: August 18, 2016, 11:54:28 PM »
JBee - The type of synchronicity and bunching which you describe is actually the outcome of totally random chance, coloured by the human ability to discern patterns.
The mathematics of this was part of my degree course some 50 years ago and I subsequently used it in one of my early jobs to model the allocation of plant in a plastic moulding material chemical works.

But please don't ask me to reproduce the relevant maths here - it was so long ago that I would take me ages to mug up all the relevant details.
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« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2016, 01:42:32 AM »
Bob, maybe if you adopted the persona of a sort of befuddled and clumsy gent, you just might pull that off. Many people are ready and willing to display their skills in situations where there is little in evidence.

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« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2016, 07:37:08 PM »
JBee - The type of synchronicity and bunching which you describe is actually the outcome of totally random chance, coloured by the human ability to discern patterns.
The mathematics of this was part of my degree course some 50 years ago and I subsequently used it in one of my early jobs to model the allocation of plant in a plastic moulding material chemical works.

But please don't ask me to reproduce the relevant maths here - it was so long ago that I would take me ages to mug up all the relevant details.
The pattern being that the human being able to see it, says that there has been nobody around for days and even more doubtful at this time that they are to be around because of day of the week and time of day. Odds diminish the probability of the outcome to something minute. Then out of all of the minutes in a given timeframe it is deemed irrational fear that anyone might come along at that precise moment of one and one half minutes, AND precisely at the apex of the procedure, the most vulnerable moment. It’s getting out there like a room full of monkeys on a planet far far away , in a distant millennia, that one of them writes Shakespeare.  ???

This is in the realm of recognition of God, or energetic attraction, or phenomena, or such.

There was a book written, this century, explaining this mathematically. I have sat here searching memory and internet, but it hasn’t come back to reference. It sort of rained on the whole parade, messed with the divine realm for me, but ultimately, I realized that things do attract and interact of a nature in so many complex ways that there has to be, at least, another variable. Fortunately for me, my math skills have dissipated, and I never enjoyed them all of that much anyway. :D

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« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2016, 08:39:23 PM »
JBee - The type of synchronicity and bunching which you describe is actually the outcome of totally random chance, coloured by the human ability to discern patterns.
The mathematics of this was part of my degree course some 50 years ago and I subsequently used it in one of my early jobs to model the allocation of plant in a plastic moulding material chemical works.

When I was in college taking some business courses, there were mathematical models for predicting the best staffing levels given random customer arrivals.  How many customers have to wait when busy vs. how many extra staffing when not busy.

My experience at the gas station was that the women in the other cars all seemed to be in a group.  Perhaps all on a trip together, or going to get gas on lunch break.  They knew each other and chatted while filling up.  It was random that someone arrived, but not random that all the women arrived together. 

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« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2016, 03:15:52 AM »
I'm reading a novel right now that the central idea driving the story is dealing with whether there is a mathematical explanation for the existence of God. Between Godel's Incompleteness Theorem and Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle there exists the problem that there are some things that are unknowable, no matter the approach and/or existing data. You cannot know everything about anything.

This implies that there are things hidden from us. We humans find that preposterous. We also run into a quandary with the Anthropic Principle. How much of the universe and the events in it are in fact, random.

But the most mind-boggling question of all is how the heck did we get to this discussion from a simple question of "Naked Dares"?  ;D

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« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2016, 10:21:00 AM »
ive given up trying to explain what seem like random coincidences.

some 30 odd years ago when i had a small farm , i had an old excavator, one day one of the neighbours asked if id dig some footings for a house extension for a friend of theirs sone 6 or 7 miles away. i did the job , its the only set of footings ive ever dug away fom home.  last year the wife asked if id move some furniture for a work collegue that lived in a nearby village... yup same house i dug those footings for.

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« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2016, 09:40:45 AM »
The answer is mathamtically simple. All co-incidences are, by definition, very unlikely. However, the potential number of possible (observable and remarkable) co-incidences are almost infinite. As a result, co-incidences are routine.

Some types of co-incidence are based on the fact that we tend to move in narrow social circles and follow patterns of behaviour shared by others in our circle, so bumping into them in seemingly unlikely places isn't as unlikely as we think.
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« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2016, 09:41:03 PM »
I did a group exercise one time where we were shown that in a group of twenty, or thirty, I forget, at least two would share the same birthday. After sorting out, there they were.

How come the one time that I risk taking a dump close to where I could be seen from the trail and this guy,  no one for miles around, but him, shows at the precise moment? There is something else at work. So often these coincidences come with a lesson learned when we need it. So, often they come as a premonition of a dream. Yung's collective unconscious.

But, I'm just talking Murphey's Law as it applies to getting around freely nude in the world and getting a dare done without bad consequence.
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« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2016, 09:53:02 PM »
The break-even point for the "same birthday" phenomenon you refer to is between 22 and 23 people and becomes heavily odds-on by the time you get to 30. Basic probability theory.

There is a story of a statistics and probability professor who, in a lecture, stated that he was willing to take any bet that there were two people with the same birthday in the room. He was greeted with laughter which he couldn't understand until he realised that there was a pair of identical twins in the front row.
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« Reply #43 on: August 22, 2016, 05:59:57 PM »
Hmmmmm. . .  Curious. . .

Since we are talking probabilities, how about this one. . .

Since identical twins are the result of mitosis of a single zygote do they count as only one?  ???
One each ovum and sperm.  :P

Fraternal twins, would be two separate ovum. Yes?  :-\

Too early in the morning for this discussion?  :o

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« Reply #44 on: August 22, 2016, 06:25:12 PM »
The break-even point for the "same birthday" phenomenon you refer to is between 22 and 23 people and becomes heavily odds-on by the time you get to 30. Basic probability theory.


I think I was about in the 3rd or 4th grade when our teacher demonstrated that one for us. 

If there are 30 kids in a class and about 360 days in a year then there is about a 1 in 12 chance that some kid will have a birthday on any randomly chosen day, March 13, little Johnny's birthday for example.   That's like rolling a 12 sided dice and trying to hit your number.

But in a class of 30 its like rolling the 12 sided dice 30 times.  So the odds of hitting your number go up to about  3 to 1 in your favor.  Its not quite that simple, but playing odds goes up every time you play.

If you go out naked once, the odds are that you won't be seen.  If you go out naked every day all summer the odds are that you will be seen, and probably several times.

I learned long ago that I better have a plan of action for WHEN (not if) I get seen.

Enjoy.


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