Being seen while getting mail.

[ric]

try walking or cycling down a road youve been driving down for years and think you know well..... youll see things that youve never noticed before.

[JOhnGw]

try walking or cycling down a road youve been driving down for years and think you know well..... youll see things that youve never noticed before.

That's exactly why I don't hire a car on my Fuerteventura holiday, but use the regular service buses to get around and when I am driving my wife never mentions anything interesting she sees until after we are past it just in case it distracts me from driving.
We were taking to the wife of a couple who do hire a car a little while back and she couldn't understand our attitude at all because she didn't drive.

[Greenbare Woods]

From observation of the many vehicles passing when I am naked and theoretically visible, drivers are concentrating on the road and will not see you unless you are very conspicuous.

True that.  Often is its the passenger who sees the deer, turkey, and other wild life beside the road.   

[jbeegoode]

my wife has been into alternative therapies for a long while , over the last 3 or 4 years shes learnt a lot more about the effects on the body of the variations in frequency and intensity of sunlight over the day, not to mention the vit d issues.   she now views outdoor nudity as a health issue that will enhance our well being in our dotage.   

still not relaxed about meeting family and friends whilst nude,  but a lot of that is down to years of perceived weight issues after having 3 kids, still prefers to wear something over the stomach whilst on the beach. no real issues about how i dress on the beach

Heck of a selling point. (1)Nude is healthy, so, (2) nude is natural and good for you, so (3) having issues for about it is wrong. (4) Guess I'll be nude, healthy and happy.
Jbee

[jbeegoode]

things are getting easier as time passes and confidence grows....  but i reckon id still get some ear ache if the full extent of my naked hiking, driving and working in clients gardens became known... i dont like non disclosure .... years ago it was best policy but now im letting the knowledge drip out in small increments.
a good example is mowing our orchard... its overlooked from the lane.... during the week day you can reckon on 2 or 3 vehicles an hour and maybe a dog walker once in a blue moon... ive now got "wearing" a tan through wrap accepted as normal.... next stage is acceptance that  away from the gate "wearing" is sitting on.

I agree with you.  I've been cultivating occasional being seen by neighbors as a way of getting a reputation as "that naked guy."  I mow my drain field area naked with a push mower.  Its probably 50 yards from the road and can be seen from the road.  Our daytime traffic is 3 or 4 cars per hour most days. 

Good for you gaining confidence.  Our childhood training of fear is difficult to overcome. 

As I have referred to several times in the past, my wife and I in younger years (mid 20s) had 2 or 3 naturist experiences on beaches at which time she appeared to be happy to be naked. But on occasions in recent years that these experiences have been recalled she claims not to have been happy about it.

My first "date" with my wife was a hike to a CO hot spring.  Twenty years ago she was happy being seen naked.  Perhaps because of vanity as she has gotten older she now refuses even to talk about getting naked.   She doesn't complain about me being naked though.  I get more of her passive resistance going barefoot to restaurants and stores.  She feels "embarrassed" being with me. 

Bob

I suspect that her resistance would drop it you two had a nudist couple as friends, a peer group to conform to. Once she gives it a break, she gets hooked again, as people will do. We're all naturists, we all don't know it yet. Some of us forget.
Jbee

[Greenbare Woods]

My first "date" with my wife was a hike to a CO hot spring.  Twenty years ago she was happy being seen naked.  Perhaps because of vanity as she has gotten older she now refuses even to talk about getting naked.   She doesn't complain about me being naked though.  I get more of her passive resistance going barefoot to restaurants and stores.  She feels "embarrassed" being with me. 
Bob

I suspect that her resistance would drop it you two had a nudist couple as friends, a peer group to conform to. Once she gives it a break, she gets hooked again, as people will do. We're all naturists, we all don't know it yet. Some of us forget.
Jbee

I really don't know, JBee.  She's been going to Rolfing every month and the Rolfing guy told her to go barefoot at least at home.  She has a hard time even at home, and even while I'm barefoot all the time.   As for a peer group, we belong to a Wicca group and Wicca groups often meet naked.  We used to do that too.  But, my wife now refuses to consider it at all.  I'm taking the Wicca group into naked meetings while wife is out of town.  She misses a lot with foolish prudery.

things are getting easier as time passes and confidence grows....  but i reckon id still get some ear ache if the full extent of my naked hiking, driving and working in clients gardens became known... i dont like non disclosure .... years ago it was best policy but now im letting the knowledge drip out in small increments.

I'm with you RIC.  My wife doesn't know how often I drive naked or just go naked.  Now she doesn't know that our Wicca group meets naked when she's not there.  I really don't like non-disclosure either, but silence is often the best choice.   

I'm thinking it has a lot to do with vanity and a woman who doesn't want to appear as "an old woman."    That's hard when you've lived as long as we have.

Bob

[nuduke]

I have to say how uplifted I am to find that even you, Bob, who is so forthright about your naturism and seemingly so comfortable with it has some similar issues with your wife as myself (although I think, in lesser degree).  Up to this set of posts I had gotten the impression that your wife was fully tolerant and accepting of your lifestyle and was privy to all your FRN activity.  I felt rather isolated with my wife having such strong anti naturist views but it seems that Ric and yourself do have some degree of disapproval to contend with.  I feel my conjugal relationship re naturism is a bit more normal now!   
Might I ask, Bob, if you do have to practice some 'non disclosure' as you mention, does your wife know about your didactic 'Greenbare' website where you celebrate with huge enthusiasm and aplomb the natural naked body and your point of view that everything about it is natural and to be celebrated. Is she aware of FRN?
John

[Greenbare Woods]

Might I ask, Bob, if you do have to practice some 'non disclosure' as you mention, does your wife know about your didactic 'Greenbare' website where you celebrate with huge enthusiasm and aplomb the natural naked body and your point of view that everything about it is natural and to be celebrated. Is she aware of FRN?
John

My wife does not follow Facebook, Twitter, Me-We, or any nudist web sites as far as I know.   She knows I'm a free range nudist and I prefer to go outside naked on our land all summer.  She knows that our neighbors know that I'm sometimes seen naked.  I use naked selfies for my computer "desktop" background.  But, she won't participate in naked walks and doesn't want to be associated with me while I'm naked, and she feels embarrassed when I'm barefoot at businesses.  She doesn't ask, and I don't confront her with it. 

Twenty five years ago she would pose for nude photos and enjoyed accompanying me to hike in the woods or go to CO hot springs.  She is more into conforming.  I think she also does not want to be seen naked as "an old woman."  Its a female vanity thing.   

Bob

[BlueTrain]

Sounds like my wife, who is 65.

[jbeegoode]

Sounds like a lot of anxiety, worries about something in the future, projecting oneself into a possibility and building a story about how one would feel there, when the fear, the anxiety, the feelings would never exist if the acts were actually carried out in real life. In other words, people tend to like their nudity, feel liberated and enjoy it, once they try, or do it. "Oh I couldn't do that," is silly crap in the way of reality. I'm old and ashamed isn't very healthy attitude. Old and proud, as I am. Old is beautiful and so is naked old and a spirit of youth will keep us alive and more alive. I'm sad when I see people age and then close down shop.

I have my issues with vanity, too. I've recently gained more weight that I like, think healthy, or realized. I don't accept this body as is. I'm doing something about it, getting back into the good things that I am laxing on. So, I actually felt some uncomfortablity getting naked at social function the other day. It is only me at this moment, at any moment and things change. I'm okay with the age stuff, the sagging of my boobs, the loss of that really cute butt, but unhealthy, that gets to my vanity. The more dignified look, the age is okay, but the slowing down, I can fix a lot of that, at least as much as I care to.

 I can feel good about this body, and won't allow others to rob me of that and expect me to shut down parts of my life. It goes beyond conformity at some point, more like survival of my life spirit, my belief in myself, being put out to pasture, when that is my decision, not others expectations. My life and my blessings to appreciate, between me and the divine, not about any judgemental putz down the street. Old ain't ugly, its older and different and life. Old as human dignity, it's not a place for shame.

It is like "oh, you're too old for that long hair," get it styled like the other old women, or dye that beautiful salt and pepper, that silky white,or  that fluffy grey into some kind of blonde, or something silly other. Fashion always taking advantage of people's insecurities, always making all of this false need for clothing. Making people feel uncomfortable in their own skin. F bomb! I feel a Robert De Niro coming on!
Jbee

[eyesup]

. . . drivers are concentrating on the road and will not see you unless you are very conspicuous.

I have always made it a habit to look at my surroundings as I drive, in my neighborhood or on the highway. I have learned that you see more than you are aware of just by scanning the landscape.

Duane

[eyesup]

"I'm sorry but I just couldn't sit and watch a film whilst naked - I just couldn't"  How irrational is that?

That’s like worrying about being seen by the dog while naked. Like the dog knows the difference.
It may think you look different for some reason, and after investigating conclude it’s the same ol’ you.
Indoctrination holds a stern sway in life.
 
Duane

[ric]

guys youve got to remember that women dont think like men.

on a beach in fuerteventura with a liberal scattering of naked bodies the wife prefers to wear a short beach wrap over here stomach.... "dont worry dear no bloke is looking at youre belly, most of thems admiring your chest"..... got the response  "its the women who will be noticing"    i dont see that it matters what some stranger is thinking for a nano second before they wander off never to be met again.

im convinced their brains are wired different.... but the constant barrage from the fitness and fashion industries has to be part of it.

but its good to go to a busy naturist beach where theres all ages and shapes being seen not to worried about being seen .   its the closest we get to social naturism , the part we go to is mostly german tourists so we dont get into a lot of in depth conversation.  though one afternoon we did stroll the best part of a mile down the beach chatting to an elderly german lady with one short tan through beach wrap between the 3 of us.

[eyesup]

im convinced their brains are wired different.... but the constant barrage from the fitness and fashion industries has to be part of it.

I don’t disagree for a minute. The STILL unanswered question is WHY? There doesn’t seem to be a good reason for it. But many times it sure would be helpful.

But it is easier to list and discuss the things I do understand instead of the one’s I don’t.
It’s also quicker.

Duane

[jbeegoode]

guys youve got to remember that women dont think like men.

on a beach in fuerteventura with a liberal scattering of naked bodies the wife prefers to wear a short beach wrap over here stomach.... "dont worry dear no bloke is looking at youre belly, most of thems admiring your chest"..... got the response  "its the women who will be noticing"    i dont see that it matters what some stranger is thinking for a nano second before they wander off never to be met again.

im convinced their brains are wired different.... but the constant barrage from the fitness and fashion industries has to be part of it.

but its good to go to a busy naturist beach where theres all ages and shapes being seen not to worried about being seen .   its the closest we get to social naturism , the part we go to is mostly german tourists so we dont get into a lot of in depth conversation.  though one afternoon we did stroll the best part of a mile down the beach chatting to an elderly german lady with one short tan through beach wrap between the 3 of us.

There are some differences that are inherent psychology that has been tested and documented. Mostly the difference is cultural social, the environment. Past that, my experience shows me that it depends on the woman and the issue and the situation. Not all women think alike, I've discovered. Masculine and feminine traits are in us all. Age, people changing, crap that people pick up, the stories that we tell ourselves, beliefs.

Then, there is that difference. Viva la difference!