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« Reply #705 on: November 27, 2017, 10:02:11 PM »
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« Reply #706 on: November 28, 2017, 02:19:31 AM »
It is so pleasant to be able to say that your life is an open book.

One of my naturist friends has repeatedly told me the story, which for all I know is true, that when Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill had their first wartime conference, Churchill appeared naked in the doorway of Roosevelt's room, and said, "You can see, Mr President, that I have nothing to hide!" Roosevelt supposedly roared with laughter. Guys could get away with things like that in those days.

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« Reply #707 on: November 28, 2017, 07:04:11 AM »
It is so pleasant to be able to say that your life is an open book.

One of my naturist friends has repeatedly told me the story, which for all I know is true, that when Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill had their first wartime conference, Churchill appeared naked in the doorway of Roosevelt's room, and said, "You can see, Mr President, that I have nothing to hide!" Roosevelt supposedly roared with laughter. Guys could get away with things like that in those days.
It seems that not only was Churchill a history maker in politics he broke new ground in 'diplomacy'. Somehow I don't imagine that scene could be re-enacted today!
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« Reply #708 on: December 02, 2017, 08:08:16 AM »
These guys are worried about a guy who identifies as female getting into the girls locker room dressed as a female. Think that they are worried about who or what is under a burka?  ::)
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« Reply #709 on: December 11, 2017, 04:05:03 AM »
I have looked through and didn't find this one mentioned yet: Why stop at one nude beach? Make them all "clothes optional"

I was trying to track down an Australian naturist organization when I came across the Northern Star, a news site for northern New South Wales on the eastern shore. Seems a nude beach was starting to gain a reputation for inappropriate behavior when, rather than shutting it down, a council member proposed opening ALL the beaches in the jurisdiction as clothing-optional. The idea being, apparently, that shedding the light of day on the beaches would scare off the sex-exhibitionists. So the proposal didn't pass, but not only did they not close down the beach (signs went up and police are patrolling), but the idea is to be revisited in a few months.
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« Reply #710 on: December 15, 2017, 09:42:57 PM »

http://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/council-defends-banning-man-being-919844

An illustration of the threat to liberty in the UK posed by a law that was never intended to do this - basically any tinpot official can make up their own laws if they donít like something. Frightening

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« Reply #711 on: December 15, 2017, 10:29:56 PM »

http://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/council-defends-banning-man-being-919844

An illustration of the threat to liberty in the UK posed by a law that was never intended to do this - basically any tinpot official can make up their own laws if they donít like something. Frightening
I had walked naked onto my apartments balcony, up on 3rd floor, at 5 am on 2 separate mornings. First time to put my plant tubs back upright, which took around 30 seconds. Second time was a few days later when I saw two sea birds sitting quite calmly on our table! Again I was out no more than a few  seconds, but some how 5 individual (anonymous) people saw me  and felt offended enough to tell the police!  I didn't see anyone, it was very early daytime and just becoming daylight.
Four days  later two PCSO's (part time temporaries) came to the manager of our apartment block and claimed I had acted indecently.
I protested loud and clear, I was NOT indecent, I strongly objected to mysterious and nocturnal prudes craning their vision skywards to be offended by my  fleeting appearance. The officers smiled and advised caution on my part, I advised passers by who were ashamed of their own names, to just travel forwards looking forwards and avoid peering onto dwellings property.

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« Reply #712 on: December 15, 2017, 11:00:33 PM »
Here you could possibly be labeled a sex offender, if you don't spend thousands defending yourself, or take a plea bargain. Could there be something else motivating these "five"!...FIVE!?!

How does a council get the job? Are councils like individual cops, or a governing body?
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« Reply #713 on: December 16, 2017, 07:04:37 AM »
Councillors have to be elected, but the council officers are employees. The staff supposedly enact the policies emplaned by the elected, but in practice they stay while the councillors come and go so get to do pretty much what they can get away with. The only real check on many of them is their own sense of probity.
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« Reply #714 on: January 20, 2018, 02:48:05 PM »
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« Reply #715 on: January 20, 2018, 06:49:14 PM »
Sorry a few sicko prudes have so much influence as to intimidate the buearocrat. Maybe he is vulnerable to loose his retirement if the job is lost and wants no controversy. I know that a government entity here stifling free expression is subject to law suits, IF someone wants to make issue. It would have to be porn. Maybe the guy just recognizes that he is in over his head and can't do his job, because people are involved instead of schedules.

Dang! Too bad it is so far for me to drive. The Great Keskin (sic.), the magician/psychic, predicted that 2018 will be a year of public nudity, with things like this nude art gallery, restaurants, etc. all over the western world's countries. Maybe someone in Phoenix will catch up to the trend in 2019. ::) ;D

That bureaucrat has my skin crawling and cringing. How do these flat-lined safe-necks get so much power in your country? Can you imagine how dull a world could be with these bland type folks making decisions about everyone else life?

So, there it is, two extremes that you have there and in Arizona, dull middle of the road nothing happening at all, no one even thinking of it. There are nude life-size figures playing/dancing with each other on the sidewalk in downtown Phoenix. I've got pictures somewhere. Then there was Bushes top Lawman covering the breast of 'ol lady justice statue for a press conference....
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« Reply #716 on: January 20, 2018, 10:21:50 PM »

It is utterly horrifying that one of the last bastions of tolerance to all manner of representation, nude, clothed, serene, violent, people, landscape, building and abstract - i.e. the art gallery and the acceptance of artworks is under seige from the evil, yes evil, bigots that seek to banish nudity from the world.  I had a decent browse round Alison Stineley's website and I can't see anything in those paintings that would disturb anyone by comparison to some of the sometimes shocking great works of nude art out there such as Michelangelo, Raphael, Titian, Stanley Spencer, Klimt, Gerome or Sargent and I could go on with examples.  Actually the way in which nudes are represented by Stineley reminds me a little of the writhing bodies and perfected physiques of Michaelangelo's
Sistine Chapel ceiling.  That we humans reproduce in 2and 3D works our natural form has always been a fruitful subject for representation in art for thousands of years.  Who are these utter prudes and bigots that want to censor the free expression of whole societies and species in just one aspect - nudity and for just one reason - that THEY fell a bit embarrassed.  It makes me so angry and it would even if I were not a nudist.


If I ruled the world I would do it with a rod of iron that insisted on freedom, mutual support, diversity and pluralism and ban hegemonical, extremist and censorious minorities from acting without extensive and general debate and consultations to ascertain rationally if their viewpoint or demand was really one that mattered or was agreed with.  If it was, then it would be acceptable to all and if not these unacceptable minority views would hopefully be swamped by the majority opinion and disappear. Thus the quality of society generally may be improved by democracy, positive debate and progressive dialectic. But sadly, my friends, this can never happen for to be a liberal dictator is a paradoxical contradiction in terms.  Sadly we liberal minded souls can only be liberal if we are true to that principle and therefore forbidden to coercively and dictatorially impose our will on all - which is the very thing we fight against and so we cannot use it as a weapon or tool ourselves.  Yet that is the very position that leaves us weak and vulnerable to the restrictive, fascist dictatorial martinets, bigots and extremists who do militate to force their bile and proscriptions, condemnations and denunciations, laws, judgmentalism and unfairness upon their more benign and more rational fellow men. 


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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #717 on: January 21, 2018, 07:11:27 PM »
Sorry a few sicko prudes have so much influence as to intimidate the bureaucrat. ...

That bureaucrat has my skin crawling and cringing. How do these flat-lined safe-necks get so much power in your country?  Then there was Bushes top Lawman covering the breast of 'ol lady justice statue for a press conference....
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JBG, you don't seem to have picked up the fact that the successful nude art exhibit was in Australia, but the one which was canceled was in Virginia, USA.

And the statues were covered by the order of John Ashcroft, but not just because he didn't like nudity. They were in a room used for press conferences, and the news photographers liked to take pictures which put the nude figures behind Ashcroft while he made speeches. I've got some sympathy for the guy when the location was being manipulated in that way.

Edited to add that I've got some sympathy for the poor bureaucrat in Virginia, too (aren't liberals tedious? That's why we never get anywhere.) If he lets the art exhibit go ahead, someone objects. If he keeps some images out, someone objects. His job is to run a bus network, not be the referee between conflicting groups. So he makes his life easy by telling them all to go away, and says the transit department won't be hosting art exhibits any more.
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« Reply #718 on: January 21, 2018, 09:30:51 PM »
I noticed the same thing about the venues.

Concerning the Alison Stinely exhibit, there are two things being discussed here. People that choose to avoid images of the naked human and freedom of speech.

One of the unrealized aspects of free speech is that while we are guaranteed freedom of speech we are not guaranteed a freedom of audience. A rally for anything in a public space is guaranteed, within the prevailing laws of that area. If I choose to get a permit and then stand on a street corner and pontificate, I donít have the right to force people to stop and listen. I have the right to speak but not the right to be heard.

However if you hang either good or bad art in a public building that citizens HAVE to use, you are attempting to force people to view something they may not wish to see. You have made the ethical leap between the right of freedom of speech and the right to an audience by using the government as your weapon of force.

This, of course has nothing to do with the art itself, but the attempt to use a free and publicly funded site for your own financial gain. While I do not fear seeing the naked human form I do not see that as a justification for forcing anyone else to either see it or approve of itís viewing by anyone.

Trying to shoehorn your art in front of a captive audience and then claiming the right of free speech is disingenuous. Let it stand or fall on itís own merit. She needs to take a real risk at a real gallery and stop trying to take short cuts on the taxpayerís dime. Choosing to visit a gallery implies that you may see something you wouldnít ordinarily see and you have the option to not view those things. You also have to pay to get in which funds the museum and the artist.

I do not support governments deciding what is or isnít art and what art I should be seeing, just like I donít support the government deciding what I should be reading or watching. I wonder how many, if any, galleries she tried to accept her work for shows? It would be revealing to know.

If a government or municipal office decides to decorate their structures with art, it should be representative of the general history that describes that community not just a few selected individuals. It is not the place of government to advance innovation in the arts. Just like any other market, art succeeds either at the public level by the publicís choice to accept it and view it or at the private level where a patron pays the artist for the work. The government has no business trying to skew the market by showing preferences for certain types of art.

It sounds like those responsible for the management of the transit site recognized that there was no way they could satisfy everyone, so they put a stop to the idea in general.

With regard to the 2nd link, I recognized the name of this guy and I had written a post about another of his shows at the same museum at Nudity and Self Acceptance. Looks like heís still at it and having good results.

Personally the ďARTĒ seen in the photos does not appeal to me, though we donít see all of it, I would be curious about the naked experience at a museum. It might be interesting if wandering nude around the museumís other galleries is included.

Check the 2nd photo closely and you will see breasts and crotches pixilated. It's an article about how wonderful it is to view an art show naked having to censor itís own article. Irony? :)

As JohnP pointed out it also should be noted that one was in America and the other in Australia. I am not familiar with the tolerance of nudity down under but the tolerance here is not so high, especially in public buildings. This is more like how an art show should be. As opposed to the previous artistís attempt to force the viewing of her art on a captive audience that is exercising itís right to enter a building intended for public use.

I am willing to wait to see if she claims harm and sues anyone. Itís a another example of the old addage, ďThere is no such thing as bad pressĒ!

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« Reply #719 on: January 22, 2018, 01:16:40 AM »
Sorry a few sicko prudes have so much influence as to intimidate the bureaucrat. ...

That bureaucrat has my skin crawling and cringing. How do these flat-lined safe-necks get so much power in your country?  Then there was Bushes top Lawman covering the breast of 'ol lady justice statue for a press conference....
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JBG, you don't seem to have picked up the fact that the successful nude art exhibit was in Australia, but the one which was canceled was in Virginia, USA.

And the statues were covered by the order of John Ashcroft, but not just because he didn't like nudity. They were in a room used for press conferences, and the news photographers liked to take pictures which put the nude figures behind Ashcroft while he made speeches. I've got some sympathy for the guy when the location was being manipulated in that way.

Edited to add that I've got some sympathy for the poor bureaucrat in Virginia, too (aren't liberals tedious? That's why we never get anywhere.) If he lets the art exhibit go ahead, someone objects. If he keeps some images out, someone objects. His job is to run a bus network, not be the referee between conflicting groups. So he makes his life easy by telling them all to go away, and says the transit department won't be hosting art exhibits any more.
John P., Virginia it is! Norfolk, the neck of the woods where I was born. I clearly missed it, as I was getting several distractions, when I came to this post. I haven't been there in decades, but I'm pretty sure from what I've heard, that it has never been a progressive bastion. It wasnít back in the day. I recall reading about extremist right having great influence there a few years back.

But getting your point, which is likely correct and also Eyesupís conversation,

I have to give some thought.  I have the impression from the article that it isnít in the hallways of the transit station and that there is no captive audience. But given that it might be other than a gallery room in a public building, my thoughts about public art will question a right of anyone to not see nude art. Where would Rome and Paris be without nudes in art. Plazas, drawing millions and in view of passing cars would not exist. We would all have to look at squiggly abstract sculptures, or a cold no-nonsense practical world reminiscent of the old Soviet block, which I remember from my 1960ís travels. Something as benign as a casted mermaid in a pond in someoneís front yard could not be seen in a public accommodation. The general public has no problem with nudity in art. Even most prudes who wouldnít tolerate a nude human will most likely accept a nude in an artistic context.

The idea that the minority, or even the majority, may censor free expression in public, I find questionable. A captive audience may rise up and decide that a piece is obviously ugly and stupid art and will castigate the doof bureaucrat that approved $100,000 of public money for a piece of crap, which has happened in my burg. This article is about censorship by a government entity, probably by someone who doesnít want to go the extra mile for the public interest. 

On the other hand, I might imagine a radical move in reaction to controversy where a nude is censored and someone might protest by going in and pissing on the other art. If one canít have expression, then nobody can, which is just what a school teacher might do when children get out of hand, punish them all, to the teachers convenience. Is this guy is pissing on all art.

If one is out in public, then one may see something that one might object to. In public, you ARE a captive audience, you donít have the right to censor another, unless that otherís behavior is censoring your expression, totally out of alignment.

The government sets up cable TV space for individuals. Public radio and TV are a part of campus life. We give funding to nonprofits to enrich the public and keep the control out of the hands of a few rich people that would be left to fund. We provide rooms in libraries to enrich free expression, to make things affordable. We have had a free internet until recently, now there will be more censorship. To change, to enrich, to grow, evolve and correct, to leave evidence of lasting cultural identity, we need public support from government entities, on the publicís dime, to promote ourselves.

So Eyesup, Iím not sure if we are agreeing, or disagreeing, but I am just sayinĒ.
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