Nudes in the news

[jbeegoode]

 Here, the politicians shout, law and order, zero tolerance, three convictions and you're gone all day, and now in the UK absco. Like the law and its government make no mistakes? These laws are now all being questioned as they don't work, with a prison population of 2.3 million with little results, here. Hopefully, Steven has the Crown's unjust court system waste deep in the big muddy and they will have to be seen as the foolish pigs, unjust, irrational. Life imprisonment at millions of dollars just for nudity makes them look like fools and makes people rethink the issue of body freedom.

There seems to be no actual appeal to a higher court with this absco thing. It stays in a lower court. There is constitutional law in the US, that requires that all be equal under the law. Maybe for once the law, a right, a fundamental principle needs to be taken from here and consumed in the UK. So much US law has originated from English law. Still, law makers try to put the worst of legal developments in the UK and use them as models for here, like those cameras on the streets. The 14th amendment should protect us in this instance.

Now, if we could just get the ethics of Queen Victoria off of the American public's backs, like the UK has...UK nudity law sounds like a good dream, past this ordeal of a naked rambler.
Jbee

[jbeegoode]

Just got the new National Geographic. It's about parks. There is a section about healthy release of stress in nature. Four of the nine photos show people enjoying nude recreation. One of the other five is of kids in a snowy forest. There's hope.
Jbee

[nudewalker]

I am shocked to say the least. When National Geographic was taken over I expected a complete change in content.

Just got the new National Geographic. It's about parks. There is a section about healthy release of stress in nature. Four of the nine photos show people enjoying nude recreation. One of the other five is of kids in a snowy forest. There's hope.
Jbee

If only the stigma of nude recreation could be removed. How many people have admitted to skinny dipping sometime during their lifetime in a poll where their identity is hidden but would never admit to it in a group of friends. Someday nude recreation should be put to a referendum of voters who would dcide if areas should be set aside. The results would b of interest!

[Peter S]

http://mic.com/articles/131144/a-dad-is-quite-literally-in-hot-water-for-posting-a-naked-bathtime-photo-with-his-kid#.UUhY9bmdR

Interesting take on the "not in front of the children" theme - of particular note is his comment: "The wide majority of people were on my side. Of course, there was a little number of people who were really, really upset by the picture, but who gives a shit about them? That's the weird thing about this whole debate. Somehow the people who are most scared of nudity got the upper hand."

peter

[nudewalker]

The whole "not in front of the children" theme has lost it's luster as an argument. In fact the whole idea that children are harmed by seeing adults nude is ludicrous. I have noted often that my household had a open policy as it pertained to nudity, not as a 24/7/365 thing but as a casual going to and from the bathroom or dressing near the heat in the winter. In fact if it had not been for the growth of suburbia in our area I may have well grown up as a nudist. We dressed for the people living around us, not the family.

On a side note, at a recent family gathering my brother in law and I were discussing the sex crimes n the Catholic Church. Despite years of being alter boys and being with many priests neither of us had ever been approached. My brother in law said that maybe he wasn't desirable enough and I added maybe we were too confident. As an after thought perhaps the fact that I did have a body confidence made me less of a target?

I have read a number of articles on family nudity and most are opinions not backed up with any data. Jbee, help me out here. If memory serves me right didn't you have a post on the old SNS about research you were going to do only to find that someone had already done it? The name(s) escape me at this time but I'm sure there is a book written covering this subject.

[jbeegoode]

I have read a number of articles on family nudity and most are opinions not backed up with any data. Jbee, help me out here. If memory serves me right didn't you have a post on the old SNS about research you were going to do only to find that someone had already done it? The name(s) escape me at this time but I'm sure there is a book written covering this subject.

Growing Up Without Shame: Social Nudity: Its Effect on Children
By: Dennis Craig Smith, w/ Dr. William Sparks

There is nothing to the "what about the Kids" argument against body freedom. The evidence is hands down.

Also Nudewalker wrote, "If only the stigma of nude recreation could be removed. How many people have admitted to skinny dipping sometime during their lifetime in a poll where their identity is hidden but would never admit to it in a group of friends. Someday nude recreation should be put to a referendum of voters who would dcide if areas should be set aside. The results would b of interest!"

35% of Americans have skinny-dipped with the opposite sex. The numbers are increasing, up from 25% in 2006. More than ever, nudity is acceptable. The statistics in California are even more starkly in favor of. These questions are addressed at: http://www.naturisteducation.org/nef.2015.us.poll/

Areas being set aside need to be only an incremental step toward total body acceptance. These areas make the statement that it is okay, and provide a safe training ground for free range naturist activist.
Jbee

[nuduke]

I seem to recall from documentary that Gough mostly dresses when he finished his days naked hiking when camping or at his mum's house.  Mind you he was in solitary in Prison for refusing to dress, but was that for protest?
John

[jbeegoode]

Vermont, the Ledges and naturist activism:
http://www.naturistaction.org/Local_Issues/Ledges/ledges.html
Happy ending:
http://www.naturistaction.org/AlertsAdvisoriesUpdates/UPDATES/Ledges_11-06-02/ledges_11-06-02.html

The evil greed of developers strike at the heart again.
Its a big country, that requires a big war chest to preserve its freedoms.
Jbee

[JOhnGw]

A great, if expensive victory.

[nudewalker]

This is a link to the story I mentioned in a post on Jbee's trip thread comcerning top free laws in New Hampshire.

http://www.myfoxboston.com/news/nh-nudity-bill-ignites-social-media-firestorm/13025237

I do not know of any outside influences except for some top free movement advocates. Sorry I don't have any other links to the rest of the story, Only addition is it stems from a topless sunbathing incident.

[jbeegoode]

PJComp wrote on the Ventana Canyon Trip report thread: "Is the Ledges story still going on - it's datelined 2002.."

You are correct! I didn't notice that. It isn't there on the current NAC site, now that I check. I don't know how I arrived at this older article/page. I assumed that I was on the current NAC form and glanced over the date. Son of a gun, if internet channeling and my assumptions haven't made my bad!
Thank-you, for pointing that out.

I do like what I find at their website now:
    VERMONT

TITLE 13 Crimes and Criminal Procedure
  PART 1 Crimes
   CHAPTER 59. Lewdness and Prostitution
     Subchapter 1. Lewd and Indecent Conduct

§ 2601. Lewd and lascivious conduct

A person guilty of open and gross lewdness and lascivious behavior shall be imprisoned not more than five years or fined not more than $300.00, or both.

Amended 1981, No. 223 (Adj. Sess.), § 23.

Nude ain't lude.
Jbee

[Greenbare Woods]

NY Times: How to be Naked in Public

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/23/magazine/how-to-be-naked-in-public.html?_r=4

Begin by practicing in private. ‘‘Sure, you can be nude in your own shower,’’ Stéphane Deschênes says, ‘‘but how about sitting in the living room watching TV? How about having dinner?’’

Deschênes oversees all non-­European countries in the International Naturist Federation, an organization with headquarters in Austria that acts as a sort of United Nations of nudism. He also teaches a course called Public Nudity: History, Law and Science at the University of Toronto and owns a popular nudist camp on the city’s outskirts. ‘‘Your confidence in who you are should not be based on the artificiality of your clothing,’’ Deschênes says.


More on link above ....

[nudewalker]

I remember reading an article on how to become a nudist. It was after my divorce and during a period when I was trying to discover myself again. It was simple, just remove your clothes then go back to what you do normally.

[jbeegoode]

Springfield Missouri, the battle rages, women get out their guns near the armory, liberty, and fraternity, equal rights for all!...a step toward the correct direction...AND it ain't California or NYC this time, but the home of the Springfield rifle.
http://tucson.com/nipples-freed---temporarily-harsh-ex-cop-convicted-alligator/collection_8fa82e56-63cc-522f-8671-be7f208e5e1f.html

You'll have to click the arrow about 7 times to find the nipple article.
Jbee

[nudewalker]

It seems as if these "free the nipple" skirmishes are breaking out all over the US. Not only California and NYC as Jbee pointed out but also in New England and now Missouri. But this one is interesting considering the location as being in the bastion of concervative America. Just look at the retoric comming out of Iowa lately. As much as I would like to see all anti-nudity laws struck down this movement could be seen as a natural step in the progression toward body freedom.