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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #510 on: March 12, 2017, 10:06:22 PM »
If a woman, or man, is posting naked pictures of themselves on a site they need to shut up.

If someone is taking pictures of them naked without their knowledge and posting them, that is different. That's no different than someone coming into your home, taking pictures, videos, recordings of any type and posting them without your knowledge, permission or sanction. That is a violation of your right to privacy. 

The woman in the photo is outside, naked by choice.

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #511 on: March 13, 2017, 08:51:16 AM »
US Marine Corps attacks naked photos of female Marines.   Commander says of photos female marines "“When I hear allegations of Marines denigrating their fellow Marines,..." 

This whole thing is sending a powerful message that photos of the person, and not just uniforms, is denigrating and destructive.   My reaction is to wonder what is wrong with sharing photos and appreciating the beauty of other people?   I think the Officers are sick.  Their Prudery is a psychological problem. 


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/10/nude-photo-sharing-scandal-at-marines-expands-to-other-branches.htm
Prudery is one thing, but privacy is another. Nude, or not, I would expect my pics to be published with permission. These were published making sex objects of their fellows, giving support to a culture which would take away from the business of being soldiers. Boys will be boys and girls girls, but it needs to be minimized for the military to work effectively. Besides, the military is not just another job, it is life or death and when you sign a contract your first job is to follow orders without question, prude or not prude.

I agree with you that it appears that the brass is grandstanding like prudes, going beyond that practical premise, which is wrongheaded.
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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #512 on: March 13, 2017, 04:43:16 PM »
There are several things going on here.

1st and foremost is the invasion of privacy. The brass needs to land on that squarely. It's a separate issue than whether a member of the military is pictured somewhere on the internet naked.

If naked photos of the military are against policy the decision is easy. If the code of military conduct says to not post these types of photos, then they shouldn't be doing it and should expect to pay a penalty.

If a soldier's naked photo is posted without permission, the person doing the posted needs to be punished, not the subject of the posting.

It is true that the prevailing cultural bias has seeped into the military code, that is to be expected. They have to function within that culture. Is it a form of prudery. Yep! But the military is not a plaything for some activist. It has a specific job to do that has nothing to do with cultural activism.

Whoever surreptitiously posted the photos shouldn't be allowed to do it again or to up their childish game. They too are members of the military and I wouldn't want a buffoon like that in charge of critical operations.

This really is a rather simple problem to be solved with the simplicity of schoolyard rules since the behaviors seem to fit that situation.

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #513 on: March 13, 2017, 05:16:44 PM »
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The "pictures of women" tempest in a teapot in the US military demonstrates what is wrong with the whole PC shtick being imposed on our military.   

First and most important, young men and women are forever horny around each other, and away from each other.  The US Navy has a big problem with pregnant females on ships.  300 years ago the British navy only had females for hire on board, and the term "son of a gun" was coined for the children born from getting pregnant on the gun deck. 

Before the new "integrated" military started pretending that women should be soldiers rather than at home birthing the next generation, the whole US Marine Corps had a mythical girlfriend named "Suzie Rottencrotch" who was taught to recruits in basic training.  Sailors "talked like sailors" and soldiers frequented off base houses that always sprang up around military installations.   Every barrack and ship had "pin up" photos of females. 

Then came the new liberal PC military.  Women are supposed to be "equal" to men and are recruited in large numbers.  Part of that is connected to the liberal/feminist campaign to exterminate white people by not breeding.  Send women off to men's jobs instead of bearing and raising children.   Of course they blame men for any sexual conduct or even conversation between men and women. 

Not long ago a study by the US Army found that so many soldiers were afraid of being accused of "sexual harassment" that they would not talk near any of the new female "soldiers."   So little conversation was happening that combat effectiveness was compromised.

Another study found that women in uniform are more likely to be soliciting sexual favors from the men than vice versa.  A couple decades ago the US Navy flyers had an annual conference called "Tail Hook."  Several females got gang banged at the party and it created a huge scandal.  Of course they blamed the men, not the female participants.  Females were "victims." 

Once again females are "victims."   This time its the babe who posed naked and got their photos shared.  The photos are not on ships or barrack lockers but rather on an OFF SITE web application, a soldier's social media. 

The PC police tell us that women are "abused" and "demeaned" by being seen naked, when the polar opposite is true.  The women are being respected and admired, desired and applauded.   That's why women pose for photos. 

From a nudist perspective, I see nothing at all wrong with naked photos of female or male members of the military.   Photos of human bodies is way more respectful of the person than a psychotic demand that the person be covered up and never seen.  Outlawing images of people is disrespectful and obscene. 

The big problem is caused by the seriously wrong demand to have "equal" females among the men.  It compromises the whole purpose of our military.  The second problem is their blaming of young men (but not women) for normal human activity. 

End rant.

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #514 on: March 17, 2017, 05:53:38 PM »
Ran across this on another site. I was encouraged by the recent date. A current article instead of something dredged out of the archives of some site.

https://www.thestar.com/life/relationships/2017/03/07/do-naturists-have-the-right-idea-raising-kids-around-social-nudity.html

We all know the benefits we see from our activities, but making this knowledge available to everyone still is the main problem. Decoupling everyday nudity from sex remains the biggest obstacle.

Between extremes on the right AND the left with anti-nudity agendas along with Hollywood's irrational exuberance in selling their product by using the sex sells method, it is a hard slog.

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #515 on: March 23, 2017, 09:45:44 PM »

Quote from: eyesup
Decoupling everyday nudity from sex remains the biggest obstacle.
Ain't it just!  This goes to the heart of the matter of almost all the prurient treatment of nakedness that we see all around us.  Obsessive modesty and outrage are almost as common as naked pictures themselves.  Why can't we all grow up!  Naturists have - why is that such a relatively rare thing?


On Bob's last post, I can't argue with any of it really especially
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Photos of human bodies is way more respectful of the person than a psychotic demand that the person be covered up and never seen.
How true. 


I would opine though, Bob,  that you cant generalise to that extent.  The spectrum of 'consequences' of people having their photos taken nude, must, like all human things, be wider.  For instance, in the matter of consent, there is a spectrum - some people don't care and are willing to show themselves nude and quite happily appear nude in  media like feature films or are happy to be shown in very revealing circumstances e.g. internet porn (which, like it or not, is the world's biggest repository of (apparently) unashamed nudity).  In the middle ground, there are those unashamed of nudity but only in some sort of restricted circumstances, e.g. domestically, requiring a level of privacy.  For some at the other end of the spectrum nudity is anathema and never even see themselves naked!


So in the military, there are probably women soldiers that happily act as pin ups when photographed by their male peers.  There are probably others, that might be pressured and coerced but are robust enough not to mind, although in such circumstances my guess is that they would often contract to retain some privacy and might be rightfully offended if their pictures escape (onto, say, the internet) from the limited viewership that was the original agreement.  And I will also surmise there are those who are under unfair peer pressure, being unable to make their own stand and choice not to be nude in pictures, where even the apparently consensual taking of nude photos is, underneath, deeply unsettling and from which they might rightly claim to have been abused, however unaware the abuser may have been of their real feelings.  To that latter group I might more cynically say to them 'get over it' - what harm can a picture do?  But I won't go that far - I can feel sympathy and regret that there are those people that get thus exploited even though from a naturist or more permissive standpoint it is hard to see why such nude exposure should be an issue (which I think is Bob's point).  In such cases one can only hope that some sort of fair justice prevails. 


To an extent this is an argument linked to our previous discussion of who is the arbiter of offence in the trial of someone arrested for being publicly naked and accused by a single observer who claims to be offended (sometimes one only amongst many who don't).  The law and society should take the initial premise that nudity is not wrong or offensive therefore first ask why the person was offended (by something that the law judges inoffensive) - and the burden of proof should be on the complainant not the defendant.  Most nudity law does seem to adopt this stance but the implementation of it by mostly people prejudiced against nudity, means that the principle of emancipation that the law in fact allows does not in fact get applied fairly (as in the case of several of Steve Gough's arrests and trails). 


So in the case of this non consensual publication of pictures - it is surely up to the offended to prove why harm is done.  That's not to say that such publication is right or acceptable.  However, it's equally unacceptable to decide law solely from one individual's feelings and to judge solely on their definition of whether something is offensive or harmful. 


Incidentally, I already read the article Duane found.  I subscribe to several naturist and nudist streams on Flipboard.  Very good source - you don't have to search, someone finds the stuff for you! :)


John


PS, I just fell asleep over writing the above and realise it is a bit boring!!!!  But this forum is a bastion of free speech so I'm exercising my right not to be coerced to erase the boring bit!

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #516 on: March 31, 2017, 07:40:16 AM »
Snort!!  Errr, sorryy John. I fell asleep reading your post.

Could you retype it please? :)

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #517 on: March 31, 2017, 06:35:42 PM »
So in the case of this non consensual publication of pictures - it is surely up to the offended to prove why harm is done.


Some years ago I looked up copyright law vs. Internet copies.   According to US copyright law, everything someone writes (such as the paragraph above) is immediately covered by copyright law, and may not be copied or reproduced (like this) without specific permission, except for "fair use" which is limited to a short quote (like this). 

Enforcement of copyright for Internet violations requires that you prove financial loss (money) from the repeated copying.  Most people are not in the business of selling their writing for money, and suffer no money loss if it is copied.  Since then the people who write laws have tried to tighten things up but still it is very hard to prove any actual damages from being seen in a photo. 

There is an old quote about damages, "It neither empties my purse nor breaks my arm," and therefore no harm is done. 

At worst an unwanted sharing of a non-commercial photo could cause some mild embarrassment.  Not a major crime.  Should not be punished.   
   

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« Reply #518 on: April 01, 2017, 03:13:22 PM »
Unless, of course, the republication causes harm to the purse.
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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #519 on: April 01, 2017, 11:09:14 PM »
Inside One Female Photographer’s Mission To Normalize The Nude Male Body

From Huffington Post.   It may belong on ART, but Huff&Puff is officially a "news" site.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bare-men-photos_us_58da847ae4b0928a6b781601?cg206p95r640xm9529
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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #520 on: April 03, 2017, 09:46:01 PM »
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There is an old quote about damages, "It neither empties my purse nor breaks my arm," and therefore no harm is done.

From Thomas Jefferson regarding his views on religion. But it certainly applies elsewhere.

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #521 on: April 04, 2017, 01:51:59 AM »
Unless, of course, the republication causes harm to the purse.

Yes, John.  A professional model, actor, or personality is in the business of SELLING his or her image and could suffer financial loss from unauthorized (unpaid) copying or even viewing. 

Most people are not in business of selling our images and cannot show that we suffer any financial loss from unauthorized viewing.   In addition, the only reason some people become embarrassed by naked photos being seen is because our world generally calls our species "obscene" and wants us to hide ourselves from view.  The cure for that embarrassment is to be seen more, not less.   

John gets published naked so often by choice that he is beyond being embarrassed by naked photos.  Me too. So its me.  So what?

Have a very nice April.
 
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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #522 on: April 06, 2017, 04:41:46 PM »
We all view the world from the center of our own little universe.

All these issues about what is or isn't appropriate are generated by the confusion caused by realizing everyone doesn't think the way we do and not understanding why.  :o

All we have to do is stop doing that! Pretty simple.  ;D
Problem solved! ;)

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Re: Nudes in the news
« Reply #523 on: April 07, 2017, 08:07:35 PM »

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Snort!!  Errr, sorryy John. I fell asleep reading your post.
Could you retype it please? :)
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Weight Watchers publishes NUDE ISSUE of their magazine.
« Reply #524 on: April 14, 2017, 06:49:06 PM »
"As many as three quarters of women dislike their bodies, according to a new survey coinciding with the release of Weight Watchers magazine's first "Naked Issue"."


http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/weight-watchers-naked-issue-nudity-body-image-survey-women-a7167726.html?platform=hootsuite


https://www.weightwatchers.com/templates/marketing/marketing_utool_1col.aspx?pageid=1200731
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